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Mining CEO explains why silver could reach $136.67

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Mining CEO explains why silver could reach $136.67
Simon Black

May 8, 2017

New York City, USA
His remarks started off like dozens of presentations that I had heard so many times before. . .

“Without silver,” began the speaker, “our entire society would go back to the Stone Age.”

The speaker was the CEO of one of the largest silver mining companies in the world, and he was a special keynote at the annual closed-door meeting of the Atlas 400.

CEOs of mining companies almost always start their presentations talking about how important their mineral is.

“If we didn’t have cobalt we would all be cave men again. . .” or “Without molybdenum our modern technology would cease to exist.”

It sounds impressive, but the same story applies to just about every industrial commodity in the world, from copper to lumber to recycled steel.

It’s hardly an original argument and doesn’t impress me enough to be bullish on their mineral.

The real investment thesis about silver is that it’s a precious metal that has industrial qualities and a long-standing tradition of value.

Like gold, silver was an ancient form of money. And for good reason.

Out of the 118 known elements that exist on the periodic table, gold and silver share certain chemical properties that made them ideal as a medium of exchange to our ancestors.

Gold and silver are solid at normal temperatures (as opposed to Helium). They’re not radioactive (like Plutonium).

They’re not explosive when they come into contact with water (like Cesium), nor do they rust when they get wet (like Iron).

Most importantly, gold and silver are rare enough to be valuable, but not so rare that it would be almost impossible to mine more.

Between the two, gold is obviously more rare… hence the higher price.

There’s an old estimate from the US Geological Survey from the late 1960s suggesting that the ratio of silver to gold in the earth’s crust is about 21:1.

(So assuming that’s true, the theoretical price ratio between the two should be around 21:1)

And in ancient times the price ratio between the two metals was frequently in the range of about 15:1, i.e. one ounce of gold was worth 15 ounces of silver.

Today the ratio is about 75, based on a gold price of about $1230 per ounce, and a silver price of $16.35.

This is fairly high even by modern standards as the long-term average over the past several decades is about 50.

This would suggest that silver should in increase in price relative to gold in order for the ratio to return to its historic average.

(A ratio of 50:1 would imply a silver price of $24.60 based on a gold price of $1230.)

Now, all of this is an argument that many of us have heard before.

But I did learn something over the weekend from the mining CEO; he told us that the current mining production ratio between the two metals is about 9:1.

This means that 9 ounces of silver are mined for every 1 ounce of gold that’s mined.

This is very interesting from a supply/demand perspective.

According to the Silver Institute, demand for silver hit an all-time high in 2016.

But the price of silver, at least relative to gold, is hovering near a multi-year low at 75:1. (Again, the historic average is around 50:1).

Moreover, even though the price is 75:1, the new supply of silver is only 9:1.

In theory if the new metal supply is 9:1, then the price should be 9:1 (which would be a silver price of $136.67).

Obviously that’s a purely academic postulate; reality rarely conforms to theory. And the mining CEO wasn’t projecting a $136+ silver price.

But it seemed clear to him that there’s an unsustainably wide gulf between the gold/silver price ratio versus the gold/silver supply ratio, especially when silver demand is at an all-time high.

Commodity prices tend to move dramatically when the market realizes there’s a serious supply/demand mismatch.

That seems to be the case with silver right now.

And while it would be silly to expect $100+ silver, there are certainly credible reasons why the ratio should close the gap and move MUCH lower.

https://www.sovereignman.com/trends...8e49f6578fed7a3529165cfc86e4e529bddf0b3419989
 

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CEO should have been questioned about the paper and electronic trading house supply that is way more important than physical as far as price.
 

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But I did learn something over the weekend from the mining CEO; he told us that the current mining production ratio between the two metals is about 9:1.

This means that 9 ounces of silver are mined for every 1 ounce of gold that’s mined.
Though I cannot vouch for the accuracy of said information, the same information is available, seemingly in real time, right here:

http://www.usdebtclock.org/gold-precious-metals.html

According to this current global production is running at around 8.28:1
 

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My ex mother-in-law's weight in ounces? Yeah she was a big gal, but I'd no idea she'd gone pro with her eating disorder.
 

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Mining CEO explains why silver could reach $136.67
Simon Black

May 8, 2017

New York City, USA
His remarks started off like dozens of presentations that I had heard so many times before. . .

“Without silver,” began the speaker, “our entire society would go back to the Stone Age.”

The speaker was the CEO of one of the largest silver mining companies in the world, and he was a special keynote at the annual closed-door meeting of the Atlas 400.

CEOs of mining companies almost always start their presentations talking about how important their mineral is.

“If we didn’t have cobalt we would all be cave men again. . .” or “Without molybdenum our modern technology would cease to exist.”

It sounds impressive, but the same story applies to just about every industrial commodity in the world, from copper to lumber to recycled steel.

It’s hardly an original argument and doesn’t impress me enough to be bullish on their mineral.

The real investment thesis about silver is that it’s a precious metal that has industrial qualities and a long-standing tradition of value.

Like gold, silver was an ancient form of money. And for good reason.

Out of the 118 known elements that exist on the periodic table, gold and silver share certain chemical properties that made them ideal as a medium of exchange to our ancestors.

Gold and silver are solid at normal temperatures (as opposed to Helium). They’re not radioactive (like Plutonium).

They’re not explosive when they come into contact with water (like Cesium), nor do they rust when they get wet (like Iron).

Most importantly, gold and silver are rare enough to be valuable, but not so rare that it would be almost impossible to mine more.

Between the two, gold is obviously more rare… hence the higher price.

There’s an old estimate from the US Geological Survey from the late 1960s suggesting that the ratio of silver to gold in the earth’s crust is about 21:1.

(So assuming that’s true, the theoretical price ratio between the two should be around 21:1)

And in ancient times the price ratio between the two metals was frequently in the range of about 15:1, i.e. one ounce of gold was worth 15 ounces of silver.

Today the ratio is about 75, based on a gold price of about $1230 per ounce, and a silver price of $16.35.

This is fairly high even by modern standards as the long-term average over the past several decades is about 50.

This would suggest that silver should in increase in price relative to gold in order for the ratio to return to its historic average.

(A ratio of 50:1 would imply a silver price of $24.60 based on a gold price of $1230.)

Now, all of this is an argument that many of us have heard before.

But I did learn something over the weekend from the mining CEO; he told us that the current mining production ratio between the two metals is about 9:1.

This means that 9 ounces of silver are mined for every 1 ounce of gold that’s mined.

This is very interesting from a supply/demand perspective.

According to the Silver Institute, demand for silver hit an all-time high in 2016.

But the price of silver, at least relative to gold, is hovering near a multi-year low at 75:1. (Again, the historic average is around 50:1).

Moreover, even though the price is 75:1, the new supply of silver is only 9:1.

In theory if the new metal supply is 9:1, then the price should be 9:1 (which would be a silver price of $136.67).

Obviously that’s a purely academic postulate; reality rarely conforms to theory. And the mining CEO wasn’t projecting a $136+ silver price.

But it seemed clear to him that there’s an unsustainably wide gulf between the gold/silver price ratio versus the gold/silver supply ratio, especially when silver demand is at an all-time high.

Commodity prices tend to move dramatically when the market realizes there’s a serious supply/demand mismatch.

That seems to be the case with silver right now.

And while it would be silly to expect $100+ silver, there are certainly credible reasons why the ratio should close the gap and move MUCH lower.

https://www.sovereignman.com/trends...8e49f6578fed7a3529165cfc86e4e529bddf0b3419989
 

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WAG on my part, but was the "Silver Mining CEO" Keith Neumeyer of First Majestic? Every quarterly report to shareholders he goes off spouting about how silver-er is sooooo undervalued. When silber holds $15, then $18, then $20 and is in the $25 range I'll be a semi-believer again. Until then, I'll admit buying into the hype as I was buying from $13 to foolishly up to $39. Yes, I am somewhat bitter, but I have only myself to blame.

Buying mass-produced generics, eagles, maples etc. is a fools game. If you are going to buy silver-er, get low-mintage, semi-numi stuff like Lunars, ATB's, Libertads and the like where premiums have historically risen...DYODD.

I'd rather have a pocket full of gold than a backpack full of silver any day...lesson learned. Good luck out there folks.
 

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Snif...that was beautiful! I stole it!

. :2 thumbs up:
 

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I'm finding it harder and harder to find space in my little pond. With every drop I seem to accumulate more silver, just to see the price drop again! I bought at $18, then at $17, now we are at $16 and next month we'll probably be at $15 and I'll find silver irresistible again, that lustrous little vixen.

Though I'd love to see $100 some day, I'm not sure it'll happen in my lifetime.
 

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Though I'd love to see $100 some day, I'm not sure it'll happen in my lifetime.
It's easy to lose faith with the blatant manipulation going on, but it'll happen. 2011 & 1980 are not the anomalies imo, the rest of the charts are the anomalies.


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