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Motorcyclist kicks car and triggers chain-reaction crash

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I ride, and I drive. I've seen cars blind to drivers ... and I've seen idiots on bikes no driver ever had a hope of seeing. The number of times I've had a bike appear in my blind spot after checking it I can't count. While they continue to split lane (illegal here) speed, and zoom 40+KPH faster than traffic they're going to get cut off and hit. Stay at traffic speed and in the space directly behind the driver of the car in front and it becomes much more rare.

It's very important to know .. modern cars have blind spots 2-5 times the size of those in older cars. Reinforced B and C pillars are larger, and even have airbags built into them. There's a reason for all the new blind spot detection tech in today's cars. The wife's new tiny Sonic may as well not even have a rear window with the size of the rear head rests.
 

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This is one common theme in this discussion ... whether it's the people walking, the people riding, or the people driving ... the problem remains ... people.
 

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That biker deserves to be beat almost to death with his own motorcycle. He caused injury and property damage and could have killed someone for nothing.
Slow down there and watch the complete video. The car crossed two sets of double yellow lines and almost hit the bike. The bike was getting the attention of the car.
 

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EXACTLY....this is why bikers riding on public roads are idiots, IMO.

You don't see people walking on the streets and for good reason.
Your opinion is like an asshole everyone has one and most stink.
 

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I rode for more that forty years.

From the Honda 350 I started with to the 1989 FLHTCU Harley Davidson Ultra (20 years).

I have been forced off the road by everything from a BIG RIG who looked right at me as he moved into my space, to the granny driving kids around in her minivan and everything in between.

Are there stupid motorcyclists? Yes, but main they 'self correct' because being stupid on two wheels can get you either killed or severely maimed.

I quit riding about six plus years ago. I was being tailgated by a car. The thing that unnerved me was I didn't know HOW LONG he had been tailgating me.

You lose that ability to see 'everything' around you as you ride a motorcycle, you might as well put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger, because the results will inevitably be the same. You will die early and probably in a violent manner (probably won't even be your fault). But if you do ride on two wheels, you made your choice and you now take your chances just like everyone else.

People wonder why I now own a couple of very large trucks, one 4x4 and one 6x6. Cause unless you are driving a larger vehicle than mine, I'm in pretty good safety in almost any situation.

Something you cannot say about riding a motorcycle.
 

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Slow down there and watch the complete video. The car crossed two sets of double yellow lines and almost hit the bike. The bike was getting the attention of the car.
That must have been why the biker took off after the accident happened and the truck flipped. OK, my response was a little harsh. It's just that I've had more than a few bad experiences with bikers. Including once having a Harley rider kick my car door just because he didn't like the kid riding with me. Long time ago, but I remember it too clearly.
 

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80% of the bike riders I see are ALWAYS riding badly, they routinely pull stupid shit and the wonder to me is that more don't die. Not defending the idiot cars drivers BUT we know they are ALWAYS there and we all have to drive for them to avoid contact.

Bike riders tend to be another whinging minority, like we all don't have to deal with insane truck, car & bike users.

.... the number of times I have thought "man you are begging to die", at least once on most decent drives... and no doubt the fecking rider would pull the minority "whoa always me" you are at fault shit. Fact is many of them are just lucky that the first thing that enters my mind when I see a bike is .... what stupid shit is this wanker about to pull. That is the only reason I have not hit one, I anticipate bad riding.

That said I appreciate good respectful riding when I see it.... I just don't see enough of it.
 

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I'm sure I've driven more than mostly everyone here, all I can say is that people are idiots. What vehicles they use are irrelevant to that fact.
 

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I rode for more that forty years.

From the Honda 350 I started with to the 1989 FLHTCU Harley Davidson Ultra (20 years).

I have been forced off the road by everything from a BIG RIG who looked right at me as he moved into my space, to the granny driving kids around in her minivan and everything in between.

Are there stupid motorcyclists? Yes, but main they 'self correct' because being stupid on two wheels can get you either killed or severely maimed.

I quit riding about six plus years ago. I was being tailgated by a car. The thing that unnerved me was I didn't know HOW LONG he had been tailgating me.

You lose that ability to see 'everything' around you as you ride a motorcycle, you might as well put a gun in your mouth and pull the trigger, because the results will inevitably be the same. You will die early and probably in a violent manner (probably won't even be your fault). But if you do ride on two wheels, you made your choice and you now take your chances just like everyone else.

People wonder why I now own a couple of very large trucks, one 4x4 and one 6x6. Cause unless you are driving a larger vehicle than mine, I'm in pretty good safety in almost any situation.

Something you cannot say about riding a motorcycle.
Just like they say eternal vigilance is the price of freedom, eternal vigilance is also the price of life when you're on the road, no matter what you drive, or ride. A couple months back, here in Ohio, a nice old guy in his sixties was driving home in his Ford F150, on state route 30, going west. He was stopped at a traffic light, behind a tractor-trailer. What he didn't know was that another rig was coming up behind him and the driver was distracted with something else. He never even slowed down, plowing into the pickup at full speed, pancaking the old guy and his truck between both rigs. I don't know if the old guy saw the truck coming behind him, or not. All I know is true low-level paranoia is the only thing that has kept me alive, driving for a living, for about forty years of my life. There have been many times that ultra vigilance has kept me alive on the road with idiots who aren't paying attention, or are just in a hurry, willing to risk their lives to save a few seconds.
 

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I'm sure I've driven more than mostly everyone here, all I can say is that people are idiots. What vehicles they use are irrelevant to that fact.
Bingo.
 

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If you want to see true suicidal lunacy buy yourself a pleasure boat and hit a busy lake on a Summer Saturday, right Zed? . . . :rotf:
"They will sell a boat to anybody" Is scary true.
People kill themselves and others damn near every weekend for 3 months of the year here in Michigan.

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If you want to see true suicidal lunacy buy yourself a pleasure boat and hit a busy lake on a Summer Saturday, right Zed? . . . :rotf:
"They will sell a boat to anybody" Is scary true.
People kill themselves and others damn near every weekend for 3 months of the year here in Michigan.

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Jet Skis.... feck dont get me going on them, but YES they are worse in boats. No fecker knows the rules, the fact that more dont come to grief also amazes me.
 

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Jet Skis.... feck dont get me going on them, but YES they are worse in boats. No fecker knows the rules, the fact that more dont come to grief also amazes me.
Jet skis..., now there is a real topic. I'm out fishing, just trolling or drifting, here come some idiot/idiots on jet skis, not enough that they can just ride on, nope, they have to come my way and circle me, kinda just out of range of my cast with some treble hooked lures. My little 9.9hp motor won't even do 10 knots or I'd run 'em down and slap the snot outta them. Jeez, why do they think it is cool to pick on some old man out there, minding his own business, just trying to catch a few fish?

You guys think some bikers are bad and yes, I'd agree, some are, but go out on a lake and watch those idiots on their jet skis sometime, then come back and talk about us bikers.
 

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Jet skis..., now there is a real topic. I'm out fishing, just trolling or drifting, here come some idiot/idiots on jet skis, not enough that they can just ride on, nope, they have to come my way and circle me, kinda just out of range of my cast with some treble hooked lures. My little 9.9hp motor won't even do 10 knots or I'd run 'em down and slap the snot outta them. Jeez, why do they think it is cool to pick on some old man out there, minding his own business, just trying to catch a few fish?

You guys think some bikers are bad and yes, I'd agree, some are, but go out on a lake and watch those idiots on their jet skis sometime, then come back and talk about us bikers.
I posted in another thread about people in grocery stores with shopping carts, oblivious to everyone around them, blocking aisles and rushing out of aisles into traffic in other aisles, like they're the only ones in the store.

I think this problem is pervasive, no matter what people are driving. It doesn't matter if it's a car, bike, tractor & trailer, shopping cart, even a blasted Amish buggy. Too many people just don't think about the consequences of what they're doing. Like the goofs on the jet skis, messing with you.
 

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Faster IS Better!
Gotta Get It Done!
Still More To Do!
The Rats Are Getting Bigger

Today, it's a much more competitive world
We are conditioned to go / go / go
And we took the conditioning and RAN with it :2 thumbs up:

Unfortunately, something had to give / was left out of the conditioning
Manners / Courtesy / Respect
All geared towards others
Well, that had to go, there just wasn't enough time for that nonsense
 

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I watch videos on my phone, mostly porn, while I drive my tractor trailer, but I have a lot of practice at doing it so I'm pretty good at it.
 

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I can say from a personal damaging experience that splitting lanes, while everybody else has to wait, is dangerous and asking for trouble, and should be outlawed.
On the other hand, I give the same courtesy and space to a biker that I give to a car. It is hard to give any space to another vehicle that is blocking your side view mirror. Unnerving at times. They could lean a bit to the right and kiss me on the cheek. Bike week in Ft. Lauderdale was no place to drive a car.
 
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Supposed to keep both hands on the wheel at all times
 

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I watch videos on my phone, mostly porn, while I drive my tractor trailer, but I have a lot of practice at doing it so I'm pretty good at it.
Yer a truck driver, Muj? Here I was thinkin you must be a college professer or something because you usually have such insightful responses on most of these threads.

BF
 

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Yer a truck driver, Muj? Here I was thinkin you must be a college professer or something because you usually have such insightful responses on most of these threads.

BF
Never underestimate the skill set of a truck driver

Most of 'em will even use their air horn if you make the proper hand motions from your vehicle :2 thumbs up:
and some will even do it without spilling their cup of coffee or bag of nachos
 

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Yer a truck driver, Muj? Here I was thinkin you must be a college professer or something because you usually have such insightful responses on most of these threads.

BF
I am a professional driver all over the continental US of A; Former stoner turned driver who preaches the good gospel of Dr. Paul.

Amen.
 

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I watch videos on my phone, mostly porn, while I drive my tractor trailer, but I have a lot of practice at doing it so I'm pretty good at it.
Maybe that's what the rig driver who ran into the pickup guy was doing. Watching porn and, ahem, "distracting himself" while he was driving. All we ever got from the highway patrol was that he was distracted. No details, otherwise.
 

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I had a guy T - Bone me running a red light, doing 45mph. There were no, nada, nix skid marks. First claimed brakes failed. Finally admitted to cop he was distracted. But would not say exactly.

Totaled my car, and 2 years later, still have sideways whiplash.
 

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People wonder why I now own a couple of very large trucks, one 4x4 and one 6x6. Cause unless you are driving a larger vehicle than mine, I'm in pretty good safety in almost any situation.
My feelings exactly. I'd much rather be on top of an accident than underneath it.
 

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Evidently what started this incident did not get caught on video.
Why would the car cross over into the other lane at the bike ?
To prevent the bike from passing ? IDK

What is obvious once biker boy kicked the car TSHTF and in retaliation car guy tried to stop the biker but did a header into the barricade instead.

Car guy probably wanted a new car anyway.
 

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Watch out for pedestrians. They don't need a license and are dumb enough to walk into a crosswalk and expect any motor vehicle to stop immediately. Also they can be pre-occupied with their cell phone. Case in point, I was watching a girl walking down the side walk with her eyes squarely set on her hand held device. She didn't even notice that her jiggling titties made her top drop as she was walking. I did but being the gentleman that I am, didn't say anything to her about it.
 

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Stopped for a woman leaving work looking at her cell phone. She had zero idea where she was. She stopped and looked up when she saw the center line of the road. We made eye contact, she knew how I was at I frequent the store.
Got a stupid oh shit look & she finished walking across the street.
 

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Your opinion is like an asshole everyone has one and most stink.
Nothing to do with opinion...it's FACT. A larger percentage of bikers in accidents die as a result than car/truck passengers. PERIOD.
 

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I am a professional driver all over the continental US of A; Former stoner turned driver who preaches the good gospel of Dr. Paul.

Amen.

If you ever travel highway 287 in eastern Colorado give me a holler , you are welcome to stop by my place and have a few dabs of some Malawi and a hot cup of Ethiopian highland coffee....

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Nothing to do with opinion...it's FACT. A larger percentage of bikers in accidents die as a result than car/truck passengers. PERIOD.
Accident Reconstruction Experts call it Depth Mis-Perception. Drivers are far more accustom to visual clues they get from cars and trucks in front of them than bikes that have such a narrow silhouette and lighting.
Like the writing on most side mirrors on cars & trucks "Objects May Be Closer than Appears"
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A reason most motorcycles are going with lights on Saddle Bags and fender, or double railed / Christmas Tree ( drag racing) style brake lights. Wider lighting may increase judgment accuracy.
TRIKE bikers have less rear end collisions than their two wheel cousins.
 

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If you ever travel highway 287 in eastern Colorado give me a holler , you are welcome to stop by my place and have a few dabs of some Malawi and a hot cup of Ethiopian highland coffee....

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You live Down Under?

Your photo implies thusly.

Just like they say eternal vigilance is the price of freedom, eternal vigilance is also the price of life when you're on the road, no matter what you drive, or ride. ...
Yup! Pedestrians ALWAYS have the right of way, and I see them test that law on a daily basis.

Additionally, A green light is merely an indication that it is time to enter an intersection, but I ALWAYS make sure that intersection is clear of red light runners first; again every single day.

Add failures to yield constantly.
 
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