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cigarlover,

WOW. Not traveled to Detroit or Flint in the PAST THIRTY YEARS? I worked in Flint for a short while, thirty plus years ago and it was a sheet hole then and it's STILL A SHEET HOLE NOW. Same for Detroit.

Have you been to OAKLAND? Lived there back in the 90's and it was a mess then and it will burn very shortly. Actually it's burned several times in the past.

And you JUST SUGGESTED to move to a country where they do not allow guns AND BUY ONE ON THE BLACK MARKET? That's YOUR advice? Yeah, that will keep you on the 'good side' of their laws... great suggestion if you want to see what a third world country prison looks like.

Then you said "They don't typically flush that relationship down the toilet in times of unrest. If they did there would be no ex pats and all that money would dry up rather quickly. "

Actually that is 180 degrees off. Ever been RVing in MEXICO? Not a good idea. The people that I've known that have, all come back and say the same thing. THEY ARE SEEN AS A CASH COW, that's all they are. They were charged more to park their RV's than in some of the finest RV parks here in the USA and they had NO CHOICE to cough it up. And amenities - you may or may not get running water or running electricity. They all came back to the USA and after they all said the same thing - NOT GOING TO LEAVE THE USA EVER AGAIN...
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On a side note.... many here are single and male, being single and male in the expat role by and large doesn't end well.. have watched many otherwise well adjusted mature adults lose it in an expat setting. The combination of sexual temptation, a variety of ways to find a higher dimension wrapped in a lack of structure don't seem to foster better, more content men... Males evidently need the day to day stresses, family responsibilities to flourish and excel...

There are of course exceptions but if I had a dollar for every normal before and after year 5 squirrelly expats we've encountered
 

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“we live in the #1. Safest community in the United States. It is paradise.”

Uh ... where is this?

if this is true why would you leave it?

”Safest community in America” is Broadview Heights, Ohio.

Makes no sense.

I live overseas in the spring and summer months, and own properties abroad.

If you aren’t already set up and currently living in a locale where people know you well, it’s too late to make a move.
 

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I like NW WI but the climate sucks. I used to have a couple of condos in Belize and my original retirement plan was Ambergris Caye there. I know a lot of people there including one of my best friends who is a physician on the island and originally a farm girl from ND. Drugs and drug gangs are moving in and while violence seems to be limited to gang members, there are a lot more burglaries and a chance of being caught in crossfire. I sold the condos and bought a lake home in NW WI where I hang out when I can and will retire to. Still reside in the suburbs outside Minneapolis/St. Paul for 3 1/2 more years.
 

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Still reside in the suburbs outside Minneapolis/St. Paul for 3 1/2 more years.
In prison lingo you do fall into the "Short & Shitties" period. Much of the time is now behind you and you are close enough to see the light at the end on the tunnel, but chomping at the bit to get to that Release Date.
Inmates never talk to one another about their PRD ( Projected Release Date). They don't know if there is a vendetta to be sprang on them as we all know "Pay Backs" are a B!TCH, and can wipe out a release date.
 
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Okay, so this thread has covered a lot of ground, and that's great to see. The brother I mentioned in the second post--the one who is now living in Ecuador--had his dental practice in Minneapolis. I still live just an hour to the west in MN. So why did he go to Ecuador? Well, it was more of an adventure than fleeing the corruption, and he moved before the crap we're seeing now. Once he got there, he and his wife liked it.

And maybe that's what the OP's wife and he are considering--an adventure. Life's short, eh? Why not give it a go?

I could tell you so much more about Ecuador, such as, if the s really hits the fan, the country is very well positioned, as they are quite able to be self-sufficient. They can raise all of their own food, supply all of their own energy, and on and on... But there's more.

In Ecuador, you can choose the climate you like. In Cuenca, at 8000 feet, where my brother lives, it's Eternal Spring. The highest temperature ever recorded is 85* F, and the lows are generally in the 50's and 60's. Want it warmer, stay in a lower elevation. In Guayaquil and along the coast, it stays more than warm. Want it cooler? Move higher up--the country has the Andes running from boarder to boarder. There's also the east side where the Amazon jungle starts. It is NOT hot and humid as one would expect. It's a nice warm environment without the expected humidity.

Healthcare--my SIL needed surgery. She had a condition that grew worse in the middle of the night, so the hospital called in the specialist at 2am. With several days in the hospital, the extra doctoring and the specialist, etc., the total bill was $1200. My brother had a little growth removed from his hand. Total bill was $57. A friend of theirs broke her arm. Total bill was $157. I could go on, but need to get to supper (the wife made buritos--woo-hoo!).

Go and have your adventure. Yes, the USA is the greatest place on the planet--but there are a lot of experiences awaiting those who care to venture out.
 
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Okay, so this thread has covered a lot of ground, and that's great to see. The brother I mentioned in the second post--the one who is now living in Ecuador--had his dental practice in Minneapolis. I still live just an hour to the west in MN. So why did he go to Ecuador? Well, it was more of an adventure than fleeing the corruption, and he moved before the crap we're seeing now. Once he got there, he and his wife liked it.

And maybe that's what the OP's wife and he are considering--an adventure. Life's short, eh? Why not give it a go?

I could tell you so much more about Ecuador, such as, if the s really hits the fan, the country is very well positioned, as they are quite able to be self-sufficient. They can raise all of their own food, supply all of their own energy, and on and on... But there's more.

In Ecuador, you can choose the climate you like. In Cuenca, at 8000 feet, where my brother lives, it's Eternal Spring. The highest temperature ever recorded is 85* F, and the lows are generally in the 50's and 60's. Want it warmer, stay in a lower elevation. In Guayaquil and along the coast, it stays more than warm. Want it cooler? Move higher up--the country has the Andes running from boarder to boarder. There's also the east side where the Amazon jungle starts. It is NOT hot and humid as one would expect. It's a nice warm environment without the expected humidity.

Healthcare--my SIL needed surgery. She had a condition that grew worse in the middle of the night, so the hospital called in the specialist at 2am. With several days in the hospital, the extra doctoring and the specialist, etc., the total bill was $1200. My brother had a little growth removed from his hand. Total bill was $57. A friend of theirs broke her arm. Total bill was $157. I could go on, but need to get to supper (the wife made buritos--woo-hoo!).

Go and have your adventure. Yes, the USA is the greatest place on the planet--but there's a lot of experiences awaiting those who care to venture out.
https://www.insightcrime.org/investigations/cocaine-crime-corruption-ecuador/

Over the last decade, Ecuador has quietly emerged as a key piece of the global drug trade, with up to a third of Colombia’s record cocaine production now exported through the country.

Cocaine produced in southern Colombia is trafficked into Ecuador through the lawless border provinces of Esmeraldas and Sucumbíos by ex-FARC Mafia groups. Mexico’s Sinaloa Cartel has also made its presence felt.

These networks have penetrated the state, contaminating the security forces, the judiciary, and the highest levels of government
 
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Want to see the drug trade up close and personal? Come with me to North Minneapolis. Afraid the "natives" will turn on you, ex-pat? Let me tell you about a young woman who called the cops in MN and went to talk to them in her nightgown when they arrived in the alley. She got a lethal bullet.

Life's a risk, eh? Visit Ecuador yourself and tell me about the dangers. I've been there. I walked the streets at night. And my Ruger was back in Minnesota. I not only felt safe, it was safe. Also, the taxi ride across town was just three bucks--with tip...:2 thumbs up:
 

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Yeah, that is the other side of it. You lose a lot of power becoming an outsider with no firearms somewhere else. My white skin makes it harder to blend in. Makes me think that the best bet is to make a militia and become that much harder to kill.
I had my wife read the whole thread. All of it. She wants to stay now.
Wise choice.

Have you ever lived somewhere where people hate you for the color of your skin? The world is changing and for centuries both Great Britain and the USA, English speaking peoples 'ruled the world'. Not anymore. We are now the scapegoat for poverty of the world through Imperialism.

Part of this is justified as our banking system/ fiat system has basically raped the world for the past four decades and people are catching on. We consume 30% of world production and only account for 5% of world population. For that our major export back to the world has been recycled trash.

My brother inlaw traveled to France in the 1950s and lauded as a hero. Today? Many countries hate Americans except for our money. Our money is failing and with it any hope of acceptance in foreign lands. Don't look at the past, look realistically to the future.

Your young? Imagine this world in ten years, for your the sake of your children, they will be your greatest asset and I would invest my all into them no matter where you decide to live. Unless you marry into a local population you will always be an outsider wherever you go.

You are not good at working with your hands? That's not going to cut it anymore in our new normal unless you are a world elite.

The world is changing fast, now is the time to get ahead of the curve right where you live. today

People need honey/bees. They soon wont need our worthless paper. Big game changer coming
 

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You are not good at working with your hands?
People need honey/bees.
I'm an ex tool & die maker working in a testing lab now. Machining is great but the pay stinks. The hours stink. The environment stinks. The attitudes stink. Lab work really fits me. Wish I had found it sooner.

I also have bees. I give my honey away. It's my hobbie not a business. Friends and neighbors are happy.
 

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My last wife was from Ecuador and we visited. It's not the end of the rainbow. Yes, it's cheap to live and the economy is based on $USD, but income is low. Don't expect much customer service either.
 

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Hey farp,
Understand the experience your brother is having, safe and experiencing the fullness of simplicity. Kudos to them, they left early and got acclimated prior to our current world situation. The question is would you get the same outcome if you left now... or say after the election? There is always one offs but as one of my international intrigue guys once told me... rev there is no place to hide anymore, if someone wants to find you .. they can! His advice, low profile and try not to ever be the object of the wrong persons attention...
 

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I'm an ex tool & die maker working in a testing lab now. Machining is great but the pay stinks. The hours stink. The environment stinks. The attitudes stink. Lab work really fits me. Wish I had found it sooner.

I also have bees. I give my honey away. It's my hobbie not a business. Friends and neighbors are happy.
You were tool and die? When I worked in a machine shop those guys were the elite making big bucks.

I was doing CNC and we were easily replaceable. Obviously no trade is safe anymore.

How can anyone ask for advice here if we dont know even know what their career is beside bee hive or business startup?

My point is... what can you bring to the table, not what will this 'country' do for me.

Sorry to hear tool n die has become a drag. Never thought I'd see that happen except even Doctors today are replaced by anyone who will take the job.
 
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Lots of reasons. Smaller shops that do interesting work don't want to pay but want you there 50+ a week.
Large corps you tend to be nothing but a cog in a grarbox.
Young "engineers" with a cad system modeling and designing things that will not work. They still make coolant holed in dies intersect.
Designing and tolerancing things that do not matter but the QC guy has to justify his existence.
If you are good and dependable you get all the work & the other guys screw off and mess stuff up and gets the easy work but get paid the same.
Every customer has to have it now, now, now when it was quoted months ago.
And a whole lot more.

Now I have a great job and a small shop in my garage where I do machining and small fab jobs & fix what I want.
 
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Hey farp,
Understand the experience your brother is having, safe and experiencing the fullness of simplicity. Kudos to them, they left early and got acclimated prior to our current world situation. The question is would you get the same outcome if you left now... or say after the election? There is always one offs but as one of my international intrigue guys once told me... rev there is no place to hide anymore, if someone wants to find you .. they can! His advice, low profile and try not to ever be the object of the wrong persons attention...
Covid created a mess in Ecuador like most places, but it's beginning to return to normalcy. Like in the US, there will be businesses harmed beyond their ability to recover. OTOH, the people generally have "made due" with their normal living and are very self-sufficient. My brother asked if the poverty in the country was a "put off" to me. I said it wasn't; and I added that when the SHTF, Ecuadorians will fair much better than the snowflakes we've raised in the States. In general, he expects things to return to much the same as it was.

Still, there are political problems in the nation that fester; but it seems there are underlying political risks no matter where a person lives today. And it's but a few-hour flight back here if things got to that point. I'd stay away from Guayaquil and Quito (other than using the airports there), but Cuenca and the smaller communities offer an adventure worth the hassles for anyone with a desire to go.
 

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The only way to truly escape is to leave the planet. The knowledge that the pervasiveness of the Zionist led communist cancer is global is apparent to anyone with a functioning set of eyes, ears and more than two functioning brain cells. Those who want to leave the US to find greener grass elsewhere are kidding themselves
Exactly.

There's no practical refuges, at this point. Not for people in the middle-class income strata...if you've got more money than God (or Soros) you can go to the Caymans and hunker down with all the other crumbs held together by their wads of dough.

You have a successful business. Your wife is a prepper. Doing home schooling? You're as well off as you can hope to be.

Going expat means, losing your business; living with people who'll view you as an outsider - and when TSHTF and there's food shortages, you WILL NOT get yours. If you have yours, it may be liberated from you. When things are tough, humans become clannish.

The way for us formerly-normal Americans to survive this...is to form a new community in a region we choose...and put up walls, and station guards, and execute Fuddrel kangaroos and their tools. That's right, regional Secession. Nothing else will make it safe, again, for us. Maybe time will, but I expect global famine and nuclear war, first.

You, alone, cannot Secede; but, like the Amish, you can withdraw from their world. Do I remember you're in Utah? The older Mormons have memories, of how they preserved Utah's safety and Mormon values right up to the 1990s. Think like they thought. Small or large, find like-minded people and explore ways to organize yourselves. Buy adjacent land, or otherwise band together.

You can explore other nations for refuge, but burn no bridges. That includes your successful business.