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NASA Confesses to Dosing Americans with Air-borne Lithium & Other Chemicals

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From Wikipedia:

This article is about lithium as a medication. For more general information on lithium as an element, see Lithium.
Lithium
Lithium compounds, also known as lithium salts are primarily used as a psychiatric medication. This includes in the treatment of major depressive disorder that does not improve following the use of other antidepressants and bipolar disorder.[1] In these disorders, it reduces the risk of suicide.[2] Lithium is taken by mouth.[1]

Common side effects include increased urination, shakiness of the hands, and increased thirst. Serious side effects include hypothyroidism, diabetes insipidus, and lithium toxicity. Blood level monitoring is recommended to decrease the risk of potential toxicity. If levels become too high, diarrhea, vomiting, poor coordination, sleepiness, and ringing in the ears may occur. If used during pregnancy, lithium can cause problems for the baby.[1] It appears to be safe to use while breastfeeding.[3] Lithium salts are classified as mood stabilizers. How they work is not specifically known.[1]

In the 1800s, lithium was used in people who had gout, epilepsy, and cancer. Its use in the treatment of mental illness began in 1948 by John Cade in Australia.[4] It is on the World Health Organization's List of Essential Medicines, the most important medications needed in a basic health system.[5] It is available as a generic medication.[1] The wholesale cost in the developing world in 2014 was between 0.12 and 0.20 USD per day.[6] In the United States at usual doses it costs about 0.90 to 1.20 USD per day.[1]
 

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Like the woman said, when you ask them about it they just laugh at ya. Hang them all!
 

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I think the video title is a little misleading. NASA's objective, right or wrong in practice, is research and uses an entirely different chemical profile and is not widespread across the US. Chemtrails, contrary to the naysayers, are indeed quite real and associated with geoengineering...weather modification/control.

This first video is of a 2006 UN conference:

These next 2 videos are pretty much the definitive info on geoengineering/chemtrails/effects on the land and people

 

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I visited a town in Colorado that had a lithium spring coming out right in the center of town. Anyone could fill up water there. It was carbonated too.
 

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I think the video title is a little misleading.
It's a lot misleading. The guy even says it's sprayed so thinly you can't see it from the ground, but somehow it becomes equal with the large billowy clouds of stuff that supposedly comes out of jets.

If a nefarious gov wanted to spray poison, and it could be sprayed invisibly to those on the ground, why would they spray it in big billowy clouds that everyone can see?
...and then ask questions about?


A couple weeks ago someone posted pics of a 747 fire fighting plane that can only carry enough stuff to "spray" fire fighting chemicals for a whole three miles, but we're somehow expected to believe that much smaller aircraft can carry enough stuff to "spray" billowy clouds of stuff for 100's of miles across the sky?
Keep in mind it has to sprayed in sufficient quantity to be seen from many miles away. No plane out there can carry that much anything.
...but as soon as I pointed out that pesky little fact, the thread died.

No one who espouses chemtrails being real ever seems to address the fact that the laws of physics would have to be violated for what is purported to be chemtrails, to be real.
...and if the laws of physics (and therefore nature) can be so easily violated by your nefarious overlords, (they can't) what could ever be done about it anyways?
 

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I visited a town in Colorado that had a lithium spring coming out right in the center of town. Anyone could fill up water there. It was carbonated too.
And people wonder why Colorado legalized pot....
 

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This is ridiculous. No way anyone could get a therapeutic dose of lithium (carbonate, chloride, etc.) if it was sprayed from a plane.

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And then they murdered him later for telling the truth.
 

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And then they murdered him later for telling the truth.
Does he also have a video explaining how they get all that stuff in the plane?


I recall you posting before that you drive truck?

If so, how many pounds of stuff can your truck carry?

If a load you are supposed to pick up weighs a half million pounds, but is compressed to the point that it will physically fit inside your truck, will your truck be able to haul it?

If not, why not?
 

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Does he also have a video explaining how they get all that stuff in the plane?


I recall you posting before that you drive truck?

If so, how many pounds of stuff can your truck carry?

If a load you are supposed to pick up weighs a half million pounds, but is compressed to the point that it will physically fit inside your truck, will your truck be able to haul it?

If not, why not?
I would have no problem hauling that load. Next question?
 

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And they are spraying mosquitoes in Fl with insectides banned in most countries.
 

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I would have no problem hauling that load. Next question?
Must be a magic truck you have.
Hopefully you get paid by the pound if you're hauling half a million pound loads. lol


Most normal trucks have a finite load carrying capacity. Same as all vehicles, including airplanes, do.

All stuff has mass. Even fine particles of stuff that float in the air have mass. If you calculate how much the stuff purported to be chemtrails weighs, it's far more than any plane could reasonably come close to carrying.

Those so-called chemtrails are easily 100 meters wide by at least 10 meters thick. At .5 grams per cubic meter, all that stuff weighs far more than any plane can carry.

100m x 10m x 100om x 100K = 440,925lbs of stuff just to lay down one trail that's only about 60 miles long.
Keep in mind that a C-5 Galaxy cargo plane can "only" carry 270,000 ponds of stuff.
...and that's one of the largest loads of any plane.


Even that 747 touted as a dual purpose fire fighting/chemtrail spraying plane can only carry enough stuff to "spray" a trail a few miles long. Yet we can all see with our own eyes, these so called chemical trails stretch from horizon to horizon. Easily 50, or possibly even 100 miles long in length.

So how does Prince say they get it all in there and still be able to take off?
 

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So Joe, how did they spray agent orange in Viet Nam?

SC
They certainly didn't spray it by the 100's of miles from one plane.
...and if they did, you'd have never known about it because to do that it would have to be sprayed so thinly that you wouldn't be able to see it from 6+ miles away.
 

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That's only showing it for a very short distance. They did not fly for 100's of miles spraying like that the whole way.
...and in that short distance, look how it's already getting thinner. So-called chemtrails are thick and billowy and appear like clouds from a great distance. As close that pic is taken, you can already kinda see thorough it a bit at the left edge of the pic.


Also, keep in mind that each flight carried enough agent orange to cover 1 square kilometer of land. If a chemtrail that can be seen from 6+ miles away is approx 100 meters wide, that means you could make 10 passes with the amount of stuff carried on each flight when they sprayed agent orange.
At most that would be a "trail" 10 kilometers long. Or about 6 miles.
 

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@ Joe King.... Chem trails are real and as you said there is a distinction between contrails & chem-trails.... that said, I have no doubt that NASA & researchers are studying the winds in the upper atmospheres, and I have no doubt that markers of various kinds are deployed to provide observation, radar and/or chemical signatures to aid tracking.

Indeed its ridiculous to think or believe releasing lithium particulates in the upper atmosphere could or would be capable of dosing the populace... For whatever reasons lithium was employed & released for tracking purposes, no big conspiracy! Just like in the past, micro aluminum flakes & particulates have been sprayed for tracking purposes... exactly how they do it hasnt been explained, but large amounts of micro particulates could be suspended in gases and released to lay down trackable clouds, etc.

When I lived in South Central Florida I personally observed a number of times multiple large aircraft laying & spraying grids in the sky... Theres no doubt & no use denying these research operations have & are taking place... Its not even conspiracy anymore now that its admitted... I personally dont now nor have I ever believed that chem-trails were a conspiracy against the population, as those spraying and ordering such operations breath the same air we do.

IMO the high aerial spraying is just as the NASA spokesperson stated... researching the atmosphere for wind & weather conditions.

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It's a lot misleading. The guy even says it's sprayed so thinly you can't see it from the ground, but somehow it becomes equal with the large billowy clouds of stuff that supposedly comes out of jets.

If a nefarious gov wanted to spray poison, and it could be sprayed invisibly to those on the ground, why would they spray it in big billowy clouds that everyone can see?
...and then ask questions about?


A couple weeks ago someone posted pics of a 747 fire fighting plane that can only carry enough stuff to "spray" fire fighting chemicals for a whole three miles, but we're somehow expected to believe that much smaller aircraft can carry enough stuff to "spray" billowy clouds of stuff for 100's of miles across the sky?
Keep in mind it has to sprayed in sufficient quantity to be seen from many miles away. No plane out there can carry that much anything.
...but as soon as I pointed out that pesky little fact, the thread died.

No one who espouses chemtrails being real ever seems to address the fact that the laws of physics would have to be violated for what is purported to be chemtrails, to be real.
...and if the laws of physics (and therefore nature) can be so easily violated by your nefarious overlords, (they can't) what could ever be done about it anyways?
1) I understand the difference between contrails and chemtrails.
2) Chemtrails are indeed quite real. Do you have a grip on the size and weight of the aluminum, barium and strontium particles being sprayed? If so, then exactly what laws of physics are being broken?
3) Are you aware of geoengineering activity? You do understand that it is a government sponsored program...like you saw in the above videos.
4) Have you done any searches or research on geoengineering? It is out on the interwebz and no, I do NOT mean BillyJoeRayBob's farcebook page or Dim Son's blog. University research departments + gov/military drive to control the weather by 2025.

Yes, contrary to popular belief chemtrails are NOT a conspiracy theory.
 

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@ Joe King.... Chem trails are real and as you said there is a distinction between contrails & chem-trails.... that said, I have no doubt that NASA & researchers are studying the winds in the upper atmospheres, and I have no doubt that markers of various kinds are deployed to provide observation, radar and/or chemical signatures to aid tracking.
If that's all it's for, then what's the problem?


Indeed its ridiculous to think or believe releasing lithium particulates in the upper atmosphere could or would be capable of dosing the populace... For whatever reasons lithium was employed & released for tracking purposes, no big conspiracy!
If so, then what was the point of posting the vid in the OP, if not to say it is capable of dosing the population?


Just like in the past, micro aluminum flakes & particulates have been sprayed for tracking purposes... exactly how they do it hasnt been explained, but large amounts of micro particulates could be suspended in gases and released to lay down trackable clouds, etc.
It doesn't matter how small the particles are. To spray them so they could be seen from so far away requires that a certain density of particles be sprayed. That constitutes weight the plane must carry. If the biggest planes can only carry enough stuff to spray a thick visible trail for a few miles, how is it possible that the big billowy cloud like things that stretch across the sky could be chemicals sprayed from within the plane?

Also, anytime gases are released into the atmosphere, they spread out and dissipate rather quickly, not stay together in a mass suspended in the sky for many miles like so-called chemtrails do.

Haven't you ever seen how smoke from a stack dissipates and mixes with the air until it can't be seen anymore as a stream of smoke? So-called chemtrails don't do that. They behave like clouds.
What is smoke, other than fine particulate matter suspended in gases?


Its not even conspiracy anymore now that its admitted...
It has not. Everytime the military uses chaff, or there's any mention of releasing anything into the air by anyone, the chemtrail people ignore the details and just run with it, screaming they got proof for chemtrails.
lol



I personally dont now nor have I ever believed that chem-trails were a conspiracy against the population, as those spraying and ordering such operations breath the same air we do.
Then exactly what is the issue if anything that is being done is not done so with nefarious purposes?
In our society today, do we not have enough real stuff to be concerned with, without having to make stuff up to be concerned with?



IMO the high aerial spraying is just as the NASA spokesperson stated... researching the atmosphere for wind & weather conditions.
Exactly. He also said they did it once since back in the 70's, yet somehow it's sold as an admission of chemtrails as described by people who see contrails across the sky?
 
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1) I understand the difference between contrails and chemtrails.
Are you sure 'bout that?


2) Chemtrails are indeed quite real. Do you have a grip on the size and weight of the aluminum, barium and strontium particles being sprayed? If so, then exactly what laws of physics are being broken?
How does making the particles smaller help the plane to carry more weight than is possible for it to carry?

What you seem to be saying is that a ton of extra small particles of a particular substance, is lighter than a ton of larger particles of the same substance.

As for the weight, that can be calculated due to the fact the so-called chemtrails float in the air, but are thick enough to be seen from many miles away.
In order to float as they do, requires a certain amount of buoyancy. If they were too heavy, we'd see these trails descending through the atmosphere, and if they were lighter they would rise higher into the atmosphere.
If a so-called chemtrail floats at the height of a cloud, that means they have the same weight per cubic meter of air as that cloud does.

Clouds have approx one half gram of mass per cubic meter of volume. If the trail in question floats in the air like a cloud, that means it must have a similar mass, otherwise it would either rise or fall within the atmosphere to a point of balance.
...but we don't see them doing that. They just stay where they are formed and then drift with the wind at that altitude.



3) Are you aware of geoengineering activity? You do understand that it is a government sponsored program...like you saw in the above videos.
Yes. I realize they sometimes spray or otherwise release things into the atmosphere, but none of that stuff is what some people label as chemicals coming out of planes leaving thick billowy cloud-like formations across the sky on a regular basis.
Those things are called contrails and are not harmful in the least to you me or anyone else.


4) Have you done any searches or research on geoengineering? It is out on the interwebz and no, I do NOT mean BillyJoeRayBob's farcebook page or Dim Son's blog. University research departments + gov/military drive to control the weather by 2025.
Yes. I've read all about SAI, if that's what you are referring to. (stratospheric aerosol injection)
....and again, SAI is not chemtrails as purported by some people. Once again they hear something they don't really understand and then run with it claiming it as proof of chemtrails.



Yes, contrary to popular belief chemtrails are NOT a conspiracy theory.
Chemtrails as described by those pointing at planes we all see flying overhead is not real in the least.
 
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Good questions Joe!

Are you sure 'bout that?
Yes. Contrails are a matter of physics and are condensation as air passes through the jet engines, heated, then released as exhaust back into the atmosphere leaving a white, cloudy trail which dissipates in a matter of time (usually quickly) based on the mosture level (humidity) at the altitude of the jet. The more moisture in the air the longer it takes for the contrails to dissipate...often several minutes or longer. Contrails in higher moisture will also spread to a mile or more in width as they thin and dissipate.


How does making the particles smaller help the plane to carry more weight than is possible for it to carry?
Weight is not the issue. Smaller particles= more volume per pound due the air surrounding each particle. Think of it as fluffing or like a dough that has risen or a cake that has been baked. The weight remains the same but volume has increased. This is also useful because the spraying equipment also adds to the weight on the jet.

What you seem to be saying is that a ton of extra small particles of a particular substance, is lighter than a ton of larger particles of the same substance.
Understood. I have a similar problem with mass. Honestly, mass still does not make sense to me as it is neither weight or volume or density. It seems to be a scientific "magical metric". If it can't be explaied in a way that a child (me) can understand it then I don't understand it and it makes no sense to me. As to your question, see the above answer. Particles because of their tiny size have more air around each particle and cumulatively require more space (volume) to hold the same amount of weight.

As for the weight, that can be calculated due to the fact the so-called chemtrails float in the air, but are thick enough to be seen from many miles away.
In order to float as they do, requires a certain amount of buoyancy. If they were too heavy, we'd see these trails descending through the atmosphere, and if they were lighter they would rise higher into the atmosphere.
If a so-called chemtrail floats at the height of a cloud, that means they have the same weight per cubic meter of air as that cloud does.
Correct

Clouds have approx one half gram of mass per cubic meter of volume. If the trail in question floats in the air like a cloud, that means it must have a similar mass, otherwise it would either rise or fall within the atmosphere to a point of balance.
...but we don't see them doing that. They just stay where they are formed and then drift with the wind at that altitude.
Well, sort of... Clouds are moisture - water. Water is a different molecule than either aluminum, barium or strontium which are the elemental particles used in chemtrails. Condensed water, as in clouds, is variable in size and in purity as well so this affects it's properties making it continuously variable. The elements in chemtrails are "man-made" in that they are mined and processed specifically for purity and consistency in form. Water responds/reacts to it's immediate environment in different ways than the metallic particles used in chemtrails. Then there is the matter of the electrical capabilities of each material and specifically the matter of charge exchange. It is because of these properties and a few more that aluminum, barium and strontium were selected as geoengineering materials for the chemtrails. Some of this was learned from the practice of cloud seeding in an effort to produce rains. In cloud seeding among the many elements tried silver was used. Metals among the elements as well as other compounds have been used and as was observed certain things tended to remain aloft and slowly spread until distance between particles became so great that coherence was lost and dissipation occurred.

The claimed purpose of chemtrails was to reduce albedo. Albedo is the reflective quality of bodies in space as illuminated by the sun. By limiting the amount of sunlight hitting the earth directly it was thought that "global warming" could be reduced. Interesting lesson in how error snowballs and unintended consequences appear.



Yes. I realize they sometimes spray or otherwise release things into the atmosphere, but none of that stuff is what some people label as chemicals coming out of planes leaving thick billowy cloud-like formations across the sky on a regular basis.
Those things are called contrails and are not harmful in the least to you me or anyone else.
Well, as we see in left-liberals and others, ignorance is rampant.

Yes. I've read all about SAI, if that's what you are referring to. (stratospheric aerosol injection)
....and again, SAI is not chemtrails as purported by some people. Once again they hear something they don't really understand and then run with it claiming it as proof of chemtrails.
Again, rampant ignorance.

Chemtrails as described by those pointing at planes we all see flying overhead is not real in the least.
To a point I agree. The choice of the term "chemtrails" was indeed a poor choice. However, I do understand the choice based on the long standing history of government experimentation on the people of the US. Chemical, biological and nuclear materials have been released on US populations to gauge the effects for purposes of aggressive warfare rather than defense. Once again we are made guinea pigs without our knowledge. WE ARE NOT CHATTEL!!! Regardless of the effects, like in NASA's lithium releases where not enough is released to cause an effect on humans, the outcome is entirely irrelevant! WE ARE NOT CHATTEL!!!

Nevertheless, it still stands that so-called "chemtrails" are real. For now the only noticeable effect has been environmental destruction in the decimation and death of forests and fields. Impacts on wildlife and humans remain to be documented. Like in radioactive releases or even Monsanto's "Agent Orange" defoliant, just because injury and death aren't immediate does not mean these things are either safe or harmless.
 

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Well, sort of...
No, not "sort of", but rather exactly.
If there is approx one half gram of stuff in each cubic meter of so-called chemtrail, that half gram is said to have come out of the plane.

If a so-called "chemtrail" is approx 100 meters wide by at least 10 meters thick, (and that's a conservative estimate) by 100 kilometers long, that means there is 440,000 pounds of stuff floating up in the air that is said to have come out of the plane.
With one set of eyes on the ground, we can see a plane fly at least that far at 35,000', but we're supposed to believe it all was able to fit in the plane?
If they float like clouds, and they do, that proves they must have a similar density as clouds. Ie: half gram of mass per cubic meter.


Even if you cut that in half by saying each cubic meter of volume in the "trail" only contains a quarter gram of chemtrail stuff, it's still way more than any plane could carry, just to spray for a very short distance.
Yet we see planes fly 100's of miles, supposedly spewing chemicals the whole way.
How do they fit all of it inside a plane that can't hold that much weight?
...and your point of smaller particles makes no sense, as smaller particles tend to take up even more space due to there being a bit of air between the particles when compared to a solid chunk. (of whatever it is)




Why is it seemingly difficult for you to understand that for so-called chemtrails to be seen at all from 6+ miles away, they necessarily would have to be relatively thick and dense. Ie: full of chemtrail "stuff".
To spray anything that thickly, requires a lot of it. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to see it from 6+ miles away.
You seem to think that making the particles even smaller is the answer, but it's not, as that would mean you'd need even more of it for them to be seen.



You say I'm correct in my explanation of how to calculate the weight of a "chemtrail", but then ignore how it's impossible to get all the stuff we can both see, into a plane that cannot take off with that much weight inside of it.


You just really really want chemtrails to be real, don't ya? lol
 

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No, not "sort of", but rather exactly.
If there is approx one half gram of stuff in each cubic meter of so-called chemtrail, that half gram is said to have come out of the plane.

If a so-called "chemtrail" is approx 100 meters wide by at least 10 meters thick, (and that's a conservative estimate) by 100 kilometers long, that means there is 440,000 pounds of stuff floating up in the air that is said to have come out of the plane.
With one set of eyes on the ground, we can see a plane fly at least that far at 35,000', but we're supposed to believe it all was able to fit in the plane?
If they float like clouds, and they do, that proves they must have a similar density as clouds. Ie: half gram of mass per cubic meter.


Even if you cut that in half by saying each cubic meter of volume in the "trail" only contains a quarter gram of chemtrail stuff, it's still way more than any plane could carry, just to spray for a very short distance.
Yet we see planes fly 100's of miles, supposedly spewing chemicals the whole way.
How do they fit all of it inside a plane that can't hold that much weight?
...and your point of smaller particles makes no sense, as smaller particles tend to take up even more space due to there being a bit of air between the particles when compared to a solid chunk. (of whatever it is)




Why is it seemingly difficult for you to understand that for so-called chemtrails to be seen at all from 6+ miles away, they necessarily would have to be relatively thick and dense. Ie: full of chemtrail "stuff".
To spray anything that thickly, requires a lot of it. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to see it from 6+ miles away.
You seem to think that making the particles even smaller is the answer, but it's not, as that would mean you'd need even more of it for them to be seen.



You say I'm correct in my explanation of how to calculate the weight of a "chemtrail", but then ignore how it's impossible to get all the stuff we can both see, into a plane that cannot take off with that much weight inside of it.


You just really really want chemtrails to be real, don't ya? lol
Prince.
 

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Yeah a half gram = a half gram. Your original post limited your weight concerns to what the plane could carry. How is it now suddenly how much is outside the plane? More to the point how are you suddenly aware of supposed dispersion volumes constituting chemtrails? You aren't just pulling numbers out of your backside are you?

You just really, really want chemtrails to be a conspiracy don't ya? lol

Go take a look at the geoengineering conference on the video it's about what and how geoengineers do what they do. Might as well spend the time to see what's happening to forests and fields and why. Just coincidence that highly elevated quantities of aluminum, barium and strontium were found and that these elements are NOT mined in these areas?

Do the searches and research then if you wish to continue we can.
 

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Yeah a half gram = a half gram. Your original post limited your weight concerns to what the plane could carry. How is it now suddenly how much is outside the plane?
Because people point to the thick billowy cloud-like formations and try to claim that it's all chemicals being sprayed from within the plane.

Per those people, real contrails dissipate soon and chemtrails don't. So it stands to reason that the long cloud-like trails that we can see are said to be chemicals.

If so, we can measure their size and calculate approx how much stuff is within that "trail".
The problem is that the total weight of what we can clearly see from the ground contains too much mass for it to have come out of the inside of the plane.
Presumably from some type of pressurized tank, similar to what was shown inside that fire fighting 747. (that can only spray for 3 whole miles before needing to be refilled)



More to the point how are you suddenly aware of supposed dispersion volumes constituting chemtrails? You aren't just pulling numbers out of your backside are you?
It would have to sprayed in quantities sufficient for it to be seen from many miles away and they float in the air at altitude. That means we can reasonably calculate how much mass there is within said trail.
Same as we can calculate the weight of a cloud, if we know approx how big it is. BTW, did you know that an average size cloud can weigh in excess of a million pounds? A million pounds just floating in the air alongside a supposed chemtrail. If so, that means they have approx the same mass per cubic meter.

From there, simple math will get you the answer.

In your previous post you declared my calculations on their weight to be correct.

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As for the weight, that can be calculated due to the fact the so-called chemtrails float in the air, but are thick enough to be seen from many miles away.
In order to float as they do, requires a certain amount of buoyancy. If they were too heavy, we'd see these trails descending through the atmosphere, and if they were lighter they would rise higher into the atmosphere.
If a so-called chemtrail floats at the height of a cloud, that means they have the same weight per cubic meter of air as that cloud does.
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If I am correct in those calculations, why can you not do the math and see for yourself that there is far more stuff in those "trails" than could ever be carried by the planes said to be spraying it?

Half gram per cubic meter in a trail 100 meters wide by at least 10 meters thick by 100 kilometers long.
...and that's just for the part of the flight you can see from one location on the ground. It keeps goin' like that for 100's of kilometers.



Might as well spend the time to see what's happening to forests and fields and why.
Correlation does not constitute causation.
...and that's the biggest problem with those espousing chemtrail theory. They link two things together on supposition as opposed to fact.

I can't believe that with all the people who swear that chemtrails exist, none of them have the ability to go take a sample of one to have it analyzed to see what it actually is.

Edited to add: even Prince with his money couldn't rent a plane, fly up there and get a sample?




Just coincidence that highly elevated quantities of aluminum, barium and strontium were found and that these elements are NOT mined in these areas?
Again, correlation does not constitute causation.
 

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I have been there and done that, spray operations, personally, hands on, my boots on the ground. Our OV10's ( and Airtractors) spraying glysosyphate on the cocaine fields in Colombia have less than a 10 second spray time, fully loaded ( 1200 lbs max). I know about spray operations, what can and can not be done......this whole chemtrail conspiracy baloney is pure bull$hit....a few pics of my " credentials"...for the nut jobs, sorry, just not possible to load even a commercial airliner with enough juice to spray for hours....
Last note: the original post states delivery by ROCKET, in the Pacific , which I have no expertise in.
 
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Couldn't certain chemicals just be mixed in with the jet fuels? If so, it would save a lot of unnecessary weight in the tanks, nozzles, and other apparati. The pilots and ground crew wouldn't necessarily have to even know about it.

It certainly wouldn't be the first time the govt experimented on the American public without their knowledge...

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Couldn't certain chemicals just be mixed in with the jet fuels? If so, it would save a lot of unnecessary weight in the tanks
No. Because the amount of stuff you can see that the "trail" is comprised of is too much to have come out of the plane. The plane has to e able to carry the fuel as well as the payload.

Although you are on the right track. The exhaust from having burnt the fuel creates lots of microscopic particls that act as nucleation sites for water vapor to condense onto which forms cloud-like objects we call contrails.
Is it possible that some additives in the fuel increase the effect under proper atmospheric conditions? Probably so.
...but to think they are adding non-fuel chemicals to the fuel in order to leave a trail of "stuff"? No way would they do that anymore than you'd want to add non-flammable particulate matter or liquids to your cars gas tank.

How well do you think the plane would fly with a percentage of non-fuel "stuff" being pumped through the engines?
...and what would doing that to your car do for it's mileage? It'd do the same for a plane.


As for the volume of stuff in clouds, read this. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/why-do-clouds-float-when/

Another way to illustrate the relative lightness of clouds is to compare the total mass of a cloud to the mass of the air in which it resides. Consider a hypothetical but typical small cloud at an altitude of 10,000 feet, comprising one cubic kilometer and having a liquid water content of 1.0 gram per cubic meter. The total mass of the cloud particles is about 1 million kilograms, which is roughly equivalent to the weight of 500 automobiles. But the total mass of the air in that same cubic kilometer is about 1 billion kilograms--1,000 times heavier than the liquid!

In that article they are using 1 gram per cubic meter. Twice my example, but I am allowing for lower pressure at a higher altitude.
...but lets use their example of a hypothetical one kilometer, cube shaped cloud.

If a "trail" can be assumed to be 100 meters wide by (at least) 10 meters thick, that means a plane would have to make 1000 passes to leave a "trail" equal in volume to our hypothetical cloud one cubic kilometer in size.
1000 passes equals a 1000 kilometer journey. Quite typical for the length of an average flight in the US.

Even if we say the stuff in a "trail" only weighs a quarter gram per cubic meter it still equals a quarter million kilograms.
...and in case anyone reading is metricly challenged, there are 2.2 pounds in a kilogram. That means our trail that is 1000 kilometers long weighs anywhere from 500,000 pounds to as much as 2.2 million pounds.


Again, to those espousing that chemtrails are real, how do they get it all in the plane and still be able to take off?
 

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"If you knew what we do, you will never sleep again"
So what are you saying? That they know some secret way to get a million pounds of stuff into a plane that can only carry 50,000 pounds on its best day?
...and where is the supposed distribution network for what would have to be many billions (trillions maybe?) of pounds of chemicals it would take to create everything purported to be "chemical trails" that are seen World-wide?
...and in the course of hauling these supposed chemicals, why have we never heard of an accident involving a barium/strontium/aluminum filled truck on it's way to an airport?
At some point, with so many trips required to haul such a huge amount of chemicals, eventually the law of averages would catch up with 'em, dont'cha think?

I mean just think about the statistics. On average there are approx 500,000 trucking accidents per year in the US alone. That means in the time it takes you to read this post, there's been at least one accident somewhere in America involving a truck carrying 10,000lbs or greater. How do the secret trucking companies get away with never having any accidents with their trucks? Fire depts and news crews respond to accidents. Especially big rig accidents involving chemicals. At some point, their cover would surely be blown, wouldn't it?
...and if you're gonna say it's distributed via a secret pipeline network, how do you propose they send aluminum through a pipeline? Seems like it'd just plug the pipe up.
 

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Hey Joe, gee, ya think you were trying to dissuade folks from their concerns of our lovely gov spraying things in the air to terraform the planet into their idea of what needs to be.

good luck frikin propagandist...

naw, i didn't really mean that.

Personally I know you will rot in hell with your pals you stump for...
 

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Hey Joe, gee, ya think you were trying to dissuade folks from their concerns of our lovely gov spraying things in the air to terraform the planet into their idea of what needs to be.

good luck frikin propagandist...

naw, i didn't really mean that.

Personally I know you will rot in hell with your pals you stump for...
Sorry, but no propaganda here. I'm just pointing out good solid facts that completely disprove the possibility of so-called "chemtrails" as purported to exist.
...and I do so without disparaging remarks and put downs of others who are merely confused about what they see. We all are sometimes confused by what we see or experience and I won't hold that against anyone.

The reason I tend to respond to these types of threads is that I'm just utterly amazed that so many seemingly intelligent people get caught up in stuff like this. Especially when there's so much real stuff going on that should have peoples attention.

Although I have no proof, it's my belief that things like chemtrails are put out there by people looking to lead others astray in order to discredit them and make them look crazy when they occasionally do hit upon something else that's real. That way it's easier for others to write off what they say.


So Arminius, do you have any theories how they get all the stuff in the plane? If you condense all the stuff we can see that is purported to be chemicals sprayed from the plane, it couldn't possibly fit in any plane.
...but surely you have a theory about how it's done? I'd love to hear it.
 

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Sorry, but no propaganda here. I'm just pointing out good solid facts that completely disprove the possibility of so-called "chemtrails" as purported to exist.
...and I do so without disparaging remarks and put downs of others who are merely confused about what they see. We all are sometimes confused by what we see or experience and I won't hold that against anyone.

The reason I tend to respond to these types of threads is that I'm just utterly amazed that so many seemingly intelligent people get caught up in stuff like this. Especially when there's so much real stuff going on that should have peoples attention.

Although I have no proof, it's my belief that things like chemtrails are put out there by people looking to lead others astray in order to discredit them and make them look crazy when they occasionally do hit upon something else that's real. That way it's easier for others to write off what they say.


So Arminius, do you have any theories how they get all the stuff in the plane? If you condense all the stuff we can see that is purported to be chemicals sprayed from the plane, it couldn't possibly fit in any plane.
...but surely you have a theory about how it's done? I'd love to hear it.
Why do you think Price called it purple rain?
 

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So Joe, how did they spray agent orange in Viet Nam?

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Good point. They would defoliate an entire forest in one day. Hundreds of thousands of acres denuded. If they could do that, they surely have the ability to medicate the entire planet.
My question is not if they can or cannot do it. What I want to know is who is giving the orders to medicate the population? Why don't we know about it?
 

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Good point. They would defoliate an entire forest in one day. Hundreds of thousands of acres denuded. If they could do that, they surely have the ability to medicate the entire planet.
My question is not if they can or cannot do it. What I want to know is who is giving the orders to medicate the population? Why don't we know about it?
Have you been following the thread? It seems not.

In post #20 I pointed out how on average, they only carried enough AO to cover one square kilometer per plane.
On their best day, that'd be enough to leave a thin wispy trail about 6 miles long.
Yet we we see thick billowy cloud-like "trails" said to be chemicals that stretch for 100 miles or more. How do they get those hundreds of thousands of pounds of chemicals into planes that can't carry that much stuff?