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I AM an adversary of blanket negative defeatism. Understanding the gravity of the present situation and the more I learn about the efforts taking place and about to be rolled out, the more I consider that attitude to be UN-American. I’m not speaking as an American but as a person concerned about the global impact of what is happening in America.

The progress of the search I have been pursuing for months now has led me here and BAM, I find I’ve got myself confronted with responsibility I dare not turn my back on. Not because I came here to this forum but because of the sudden rapid expansion of my awareness of the direction and speed of the situation we are all being confronted with. Know it or not, like it or not or even if you care or don’t care.

The existence of neutrality is waning. Middle ground is shrinking. Negative defeatist will soon be considered a serious problem to the people serious about change.

The way things have been happening for me recently reinforces my belief in the Universal Mind.

I’ve been having some interesting conversations with some new friends. Heard some new perspectives I had not thought about.

Positive people are the easiest to change. Image saturation alone can drain the confidence from a positive confident person. Lots of ways to induce learned helplessness. Hearing defeatist remarks repeated frequently. Many times it is caused by others that don’t even realize the effect.

Turning a negative person positive is a much different challenge. Mainly because it can’t be done.

Negative to positive happens only when the comfort zone of the negativity goes away or becomes unbeneficial. Then the negative person can desire the positive change.

The awakening movement that is really starting to expand has a big obstacle. Negativity and defeatism.

I've recognized that for some time now but always thought about it in terms of the draw down of energy.

Another perspective I now see is what happens when innocent popcorn eating spectator patriots expressing their negative defeatism get mistaken for people that are a threat to committed patriots working for change?

When the drivers of perpetual war make the statement “If you’re not with us you’re against us” it is obvious, that is a general attempt to intimidate.

Many of us are sick and tired of hearing about is how there is nothing we can do.

The negative defeatist that keep repeating that are only confirming that they are already self-proclaimed losers. They have been beaten. At this stage of this course of events what do they think is the benefit of making negative defeatist statements? Do they really think we don’t know what we are up against. When does it become embarrassing for them to admit they have surrendered?

When the battle is for the heart, mind and soul of ALL OF US, then if you’re not with us you’re against us becomes more factual. Even if not intended.

Nobody sits this one out.

Mother said “If you can.t say something nice then don’t say anything at all”.

My advice is: If you can’t say something supportive, the wisest thing to do is leave the negative comments out of the dialogue. Drop the defeatist caveats.

Europeans are surprised at how the Americans affirm, confirm and debate to no end how they are defeated. Are they proud of their pathetic helplessness?

Dependency programs have a saying something like – Dump the extra baggage and move on.

Try to not be excess baggage.

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Well Europe is being invaded by immigrants who are raping your women and disrespecting your culture. Maybe y’all should be more negative about it.
 

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I don't really disagree with the OP, but there has to be better choice of words than negative and positive. The only time they are appropriate is when dealing with electricity.
A realist is generally regarded as "negative" by those who have their heads in the sand. Likewise, having one's head in the sand and avoiding important controversial topics is the MO of people who are regarded "positive".
 

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I'm referring to the negativity that claims nothing can be done about it.
See? Defeatism and negativity can be construed as opposites.
 

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I don't really disagree with the OP, but there has to be better choice of words than negative and positive. The only time they are appropriate is when dealing with electricity.
A realist is generally regarded as "negative" by those who have their heads in the sand. Likewise, having one's head in the sand and avoiding important controversial topics is the MO of people who are regarded "positive".
Are you positive about that? I'm joking with you.
Can I charge a battery with a positive blood test?
Are negative interest rates AC or DC?
What about math?

It only gets complicated if you abandon the context.
 

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It only gets complicated if you abandon the context.
They have too many contexts, that's why I prefer more definitive language.
 

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The original post was well put and to the point. There are a number of posters here on GIM who are continually negative. They call themselves realists and while I believe they are entirely sincere, their continual, relentless “realism” is psychologically draining. These people remind me of Hudson from the movie Aliens: “Aw, no way man! We’re done, toast! Game over, man, game over!” Yeah, it looks that way at times and I feel the seeming hopelessness of it all, but think to yourself, what does complete surrender mean, considering who and what we’re up against?
 

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The original post was well put and to the point. There are a number of posters here on GIM who are continually negative. They call themselves realists and while I believe they are entirely sincere, their continual, relentless “realism” is psychologically draining. These people remind me of Hudson from the movie Aliens: “Aw, no way man! We’re done, toast! Game over, man, game over!” Yeah, it looks that way at times and I feel the seeming hopelessness of it all, but think to yourself, what does complete surrender mean, considering who and what we’re up against?
I feel helpless at times but surrender is an action I do not want to take. All the same, every now and then ya just gotta say F-it.
 

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I believe that righteous anger is often misconstrued as negativism.
 

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I'm referring to the negativity that claims nothing can be done about it.
I'm certainly negative about the incredible moronitry I see going around me in this nation, yet I'm positive in my ability to deal with it, at least at this point.

We can guess as to the future, but the reality is that as a national culture, society in this country is on the negative slide to hell. Think about it, we just decided as a culture that it's ok to kill our almost newborn children. If this isn't a prime indicator that this country is going to hell, I don't know what else could be.

But because this occurs on a societal / national basis, this is not necessarially an individual issue.

What the OP doesn't take into consideration is the entropy free shit political systems incur.
 

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First, lets consider who and what we are up against.
The progressives that want to change this country into a leftist shithole. The globalists who are more than willing to help them. Who are the globalists? Every major and minor corporation from industry to media to the military industrial complex to the bankers. They have infiltrated every company, school system ,university and every possible branch of government. They monitor our every move, every communication and every test, twat, text and know when you turn your heat up or down in your fridge.

There is no secrets here. We have known this was coming since at least Clinton. Under Bush one we were warned about the NWO. Clinton made some radical changes and then under Bush two it was just in our face from then on.
Bill of rights has been scrapped. Not a shot was fired and no one cared. Take away welfare though and there will be millions marching in the streets.

In many ways this whole socialism thing started with the new deal and quite possibly with the federal reserve. I have mentioned here many times that the fed is what took the power from the people and gave it to those in DC. You think Pelosi would be flying around in a 65 million dollars G5 if a budget had to be approved and we the people had to pay out of pocket every year via the constitutional taxation that our founding fathers set in place? Would we be spending 12k a year to put someone in kindergarten? first? Second grades through 12? Would the FBI exist? CIA? Welfare? food stamps? the MIC?

So you want to put an end to it all. Revolution is about the only solution other than a natural disaster like a CME, asteroid or comet hitting. We could also wait for the total collapse of the economy but thats only going to bring in a dictator. So revolution seems like the most viable alternative. You going to kill your friends and relatives because they want to be part of the free shit army? How about your parents or kids, grandkids?

Oh we could also write to our representatives. Then wait for the form letter to arrive where they tell you they know best and could care less about your opinion. In political doublespeak of course.

So which direction we gonna go to take back our country? We gonna wordsmith the fuck out of em on tweeter, grab our guns or wait for an asteroid?
 

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I believe that righteous anger is often misconstrued as negativism.
I don't think that's even misconstrued. Anger is always considered negative isn't it? See how useless negative/positive language is?
 

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First, lets consider who and what we are up against.
The progressives that want to change this country into a leftist shithole. The globalists who are more than willing to help them. Who are the globalists? Every major and minor corporation from industry to media to the military industrial complex to the bankers. They have infiltrated every company, school system ,university and every possible branch of government. They monitor our every move, every communication and every test, twat, text and know when you turn your heat up or down in your fridge.

There is no secrets here. We have known this was coming since at least Clinton. Under Bush one we were warned about the NWO. Clinton made some radical changes and then under Bush two it was just in our face from then on.
Bill of rights has been scrapped. Not a shot was fired and no one cared. Take away welfare though and there will be millions marching in the streets.

In many ways this whole socialism thing started with the new deal and quite possibly with the federal reserve. I have mentioned here many times that the fed is what took the power from the people and gave it to those in DC. You think Pelosi would be flying around in a 65 million dollars G5 if a budget had to be approved and we the people had to pay out of pocket every year via the constitutional taxation that our founding fathers set in place? Would we be spending 12k a year to put someone in kindergarten? first? Second grades through 12? Would the FBI exist? CIA? Welfare? food stamps? the MIC?

So you want to put an end to it all. Revolution is about the only solution other than a natural disaster like a CME, asteroid or comet hitting. We could also wait for the total collapse of the economy but thats only going to bring in a dictator. So revolution seems like the most viable alternative. You going to kill your friends and relatives because they want to be part of the free shit army? How about your parents or kids, grandkids?

Oh we could also write to our representatives. Then wait for the form letter to arrive where they tell you they know best and could care less about your opinion. In political doublespeak of course.

So which direction we gonna go to take back our country? We gonna wordsmith the fuck out of em on tweeter, grab our guns or wait for an asteroid?
We can go one step further and define who they are, not only by name but by what they have in common. There is a common denominator that transcends political ideologies and it is international in scope.
 

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I don't think that's even misconstrued. Anger is always considered negative isn't it? See how useless negative/positive language is?
Don't believe so, ex: anger against murdering newly born babies is in no way negative.
 

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THAT^^will only happen when the lead starts/stops and a new country is born...and if THAT happens who runs the military and what's the new currency?
 

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My OP is about getting to the beginning. Ending the self-sabotage.

The perspective that the non-supporters might someday need to not be so outspoken about their discouragement and personal surrender.

Why are you guy’s discussing the end game stuff. The same stuff someone always declares will never happen.
 

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Learn to love the bomb (ride).
 

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something i think the OP needs to consider.......fear is a much more powerful motivator of action ......than reward
What reward are you talking about. It is more about survival than reward and that motivates me. Good luck to the fearless unmotivated. There isn't much I haven't considered.
 

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my point is you can be positive all you want.........but the highest motivator for most people is FEAR which is a "negative"..............if your asking about the reward your missing the point
 

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my point is you can be positive all you want.........but the highest motivator for most people is FEAR which is a "negative"..............if your asking about the reward your missing the point
I get your point. That is not my point. You are confirming my point. Being pessimistic just to argue. What is the benefit?
My point is about what it takes to establish the unified thinking required to tap into the Universal Mind. A true source of solutions.
 
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I couldn't be assed.

Where is my beer?


BURP!
 

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Only 2 things motivate people.
Pain or pleasure.
Everyone has their own personal ruler to measure that.

Think of it as a teeter totter.
One one end is pain and on the other end is pleasure.
Humans will always move towards pleasure and away from pain.

Example;
Take wife to dinner.
You want the $22 steak but you order the $15 chicken.
The pleasure of the $22 steak was beaten by the pain of taking an extra $7 out of your wallet so you settled for the $15 chicken.
(Note that's why credit card purchases are 16% higher than cash)

You can apply this to everything. Dating, car you drive, clothes you wear whatever, vacations, beer, guns, tires for your car, job.
It's simply your personal balance scale.
How much pleasure will I get from this vs. how much pain will I endure for this.
 

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after many years in the business world my total sales and production was about .5 billion dollars......

i learned one thing it was easier to sell based on fear than it was to sell based on good...........fear of the other sales guy....fear of missing a deal.....very much like politics....i feared Hillary more than i feared Trump .....

most happy world people ....chant cum-by-yi.. and are broke

but on the flip side i was positive i was going to make the sale by any negative means possible LOL
 
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I like the thread and found it quite positive.

So the way this went last time is that the negativity of the reality spurred members and as more negativity brought more people to seek reality and then possibly create action, a feed-back loop was established.

This built into what one might call the start of a "grass-roots movement" and out of the reality, being hopelessly negative, we actually saw spin-offs of potential positive solutions and in general a more positive attitude at the forum.

This is how GIM1 took off and I'm not sure how many new members were joining each day in the final months, but I think it was possibly dozens or more.

I'm not sure if that can be replicated again. Even if it does, positive solutions require a champion or some very strong force behind them - they never come about on their own.
 
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I like the thread.

So the way this went last time is that the negativity of the reality spurred members and as more negativity brought more people to seek reality and then possibly create action, a feed-back loop was established.

This built into what one might call the start of a "grass-roots movement" and out of the reality, being hopelessly negative, we actually saw spin-offs of potential positive solutions and in general a more positive attitude at the forum.

This is how GIM1 took off and I'm not sure how many new members were joining each day in the final months, but I think it was possibly dozens or more.

I'm not sure if that can be replicated again. Even if it does, positive solutions require a champion or some very strong force behind them - they never come about on their own.
Exactly. Awareness of the problem is "positive" yet making people aware is "negative" talk.
 

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after many years in the business world my total sales and production was about .5 billion dollars......

i learned one thing it was easier to sell based on fear than it was to sell based on good...........fear of the other sales guy....fear of missing a deal.....very much like politics....i feared Hillary more than i feared Trump .....

most happy world people ....chant cum-by-yi.. and are broke

but on the flip side i was positive i was going to make the sale by any negative means possible LOL
Anybody that isn't sensing fear at this point is too careless. If awakening and unifying to preserve our existence has to be sold to you, you’re not needed.

This is about losing the things money can’t buy. There is nothing for sale here.

If you still don’t get the message of the OP then don’t concern yourself. There are some that will never know.

The early stages of identifying valuable assets from wasted energy. Sorting like minded from foes, the ones that get it from the ones that don't. But thanks for letting us know.
 

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Some of these posts remind me of a philosophy professor i had in college who loved to hear himself pontificate eloquently in theory's and suposition from his podium of authority to his captive audience......im sure when he stopped long enough to look out at the dull glazed over eye's of his captives he reveled in the feeling that he was at a higher level of enlightenment than all those around him....i did a year later see him at a full service gas station paying extra for someone to put gas in his car for him.....at that time i became aware of his inadequacy to function in the real world .........so the enlightnment circle was closed......it was a positive feeling
 

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. If awakening and unifying to preserve our existence has to be sold to you, you’re not needed.
Please define what you mean by unifying. Unifying with what? With whom?
 

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Some of these posts remind me of a philosophy professor ....
If it is not simple that can create issues.

RP's message in 2008 was pretty simple, but of course as soon as the media saw he was telling the truth in simple and common sense ways, they instantly found something more debatable and complicated to focus on.
 

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If it is not simple that can create issues.

RP's message in 2008 was pretty simple, but of course as soon as the media saw he was telling the truth in simple and common sense ways, they instantly found something more debatable and complicated to focus on.
yes simple statements have weight and clarity.......i have watched politicians and others in society that would when confronted just fill the room with words and word circles