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NK could not take over SK even with nukes. SK is not defenseless.
Your wrong there Muji. Every citizen in NK is part of the military. If their god/leader told them to rush the DMZ and South Korea with a hoe, sickle, or stick they would. Be Damn the Worlds Biggest Mine Field to get there.
Watch the latest Nat Geo documentary where doctors literally begs Kim Il for months to come into country and do 1000 vision surgeries on strictly humanitarian reasons. The leader finally allowed them to enter the country and proceed.
On completion of the 1000 surgeries EVERY SINGLE PATIENT praised the 'Great Leader" for giving them their vision back. Not one mention of the doctors and/or the medical personnel.
The NK people are brainwashed from a very early age and those that are not in prison are passionate about their "Great Leader".
 

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Your wrong there Muji. Every citizen in NK is part of the military. If their god/leader told them to rush the DMZ and South Korea with a hoe, sickle, or stick they would. Be Damn the Worlds Biggest Mine Field to get there.
Watch the latest Nat Geo documentary where doctors literally begs Kim Il for months to come into country and do 1000 vision surgeries on strictly humanitarian reasons. The leader finally allowed them to enter the country and proceed.
On completion of the 1000 surgeries EVERY SINGLE PATIENT praised the 'Great Leader" for giving them their vision back. Not one mention of the doctors and/or the medical personnel.
The NK people are brainwashed from a very early age and those that are not in prison are passionate about their "Great Leader".
First, What does this have to do with America?

Second, the last time I looked at a satellite image of Korea at night, only the capital in the north had electricity, while the south was lit up. Aren't North Koreans supposed to be starving to death too? How smart and capable are these people if they are poor and brainwashed?

Third, what does this have to do with the United States?

The unintended consequences of meddling in Korea even further is that we end up getting nuked or our "allies" end up getting nuked due to our actions. I'd rather not have blood on our hands and feed the MIC tax money or lose freedom at home because of it.

The USA is literally on the other side of the planet, it should mind its own business. China borders North Korea and they don't seem concerned, why should we?
 
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China borders North Korea and they don't seem concerned, why should we?
FALSE Assumption there Muj. Red China has put 150K troops on its border with NK since April '17.

China and NK have economic relations and a common border. China is much more interested in siding with NK because China does not want a mass migration of NK refugees flooding that Northern border, and China sees NK as a buffer zone in their interests.
Yeah, The Korean issue started during the Cold War Days and the "Red Threat on the World", but South Korea has developed into a financial relationship with the US, Australia and other Western Nations. Australia is also preparing for a conflict by sends overtures to NK trying to settle any crisis and try to get NK to stop with the missile and nuclear bomb testing. NK wants to SELL their technology to Pakistan, Iran and others that may want world disorder.

Pyongyang may not be a Worldwide Red Threat at this time BUT they are a threat to South Korean existence. A missile attack is only minutes away into a heavily urbanized Seoul. Plus if that "Madhatter" of a "god-leader" goes more Bat-shit crazy a nuclear bomb is not that far out of the question.

NK tests Nuke Bombs and Missiles. The US shows NK it can blow missiles out of the air.

NK is use to RINOs and PROGs in the US to blink and pay-off. So far it aint happening with this administration.
The NK "Baby" wants fed and there is nothing on the shelf being offered.
 

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Have you looked at a map? NK doesn't need a nuke to wipe out Seoul. Trying to protect SK from NK is retarded.

If the WORLD thinks NK is an issue then the WORLD collectively needs to deal with NK, not the USA.

If the USA thinks NK is a threat to its sovereignty then we need to have congress declare war and wipe them out.

'Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent Alliances, with any portion of the foreign world.

George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796
 

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'Tis our true policy to steer clear of permanent Alliances, with any portion of the foreign world.

George Washington, Farewell Address, September 19, 1796
Probably the last time it was in Full Effect.
 

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I know this may sound foolish, but I don't think NK has a fraction of what they try and portray. If you don't have the money to feed your people, including the Military (those guys all look like ironing boards) I don't think you have the money to maintain weapons properly. Supposedly they have tens of thousands of conventional artillery rounds, missiles, etc. Supposedly they've had these for decades, all ready to go. Well, it doesn't work like that. Old shit, is old shit. It has to be properly stored, and maintained. Just like the Soviets in the 80's, they like to parade around large missiles, loaded on trucks that look like they've been painted 30 or 40 times. We don't get to see footage of vehicles breaking down during parades, and other embarassing moments, situations. The Soviets recently admitted all their shit was junk during those parades. They had a larger, more competent capability than NK has today.

I know, any amount of missiles that hit Seoul is a bad thing. I have an inkling that if Mad Dog, and whomever else, is allowed to come up with a true "Shock and Awe" first strike, something that Schwartzkopf would have come up with as well, utilizing as many nations aircraft, Navy vessels, intelligence, crypto, jamming, etc, they could neutralize those grass fed cattle without much resistance. No one in that NK military has ever seen live fire in their lifetime. A first strike that hits every known artillery position, cuts off ALL supply lines immediately, if they even have any, and takes out the entry to every cave, foxhole, etc. would have those bastards scared shitless, and scattering like ants. Broadcast propaganda of their Toad Leader telling them to surrender, etc., and it would cause enough confusion for people who have never even fathomed such an attack. These people have been in the dark for decades. I don't see them performing very well. Like I said, it may sound foolish, but more than likely, it's a risk that will be taken at some point.
 

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I know this may sound foolish, but I don't think NK has a fraction of what they try and portray. If you don't have the money to feed your people, including the Military (those guys all look like ironing boards) I don't think you have the money to maintain weapons properly. Supposedly they have tens of thousands of conventional artillery rounds, missiles, etc. Supposedly they've had these for decades, all ready to go. Well, it doesn't work like that. Old shit, is old shit. It has to be properly stored, and maintained. Just like the Soviets in the 80's, they like to parade around large missiles, loaded on trucks that look like they've been painted 30 or 40 times. We don't get to see footage of vehicles breaking down during parades, and other embarassing moments, situations. The Soviets recently admitted all their shit was junk during those parades. They had a larger, more competent capability than NK has today.

I know, any amount of missiles that hit Seoul is a bad thing. I have an inkling that if Mad Dog, and whomever else, is allowed to come up with a true "Shock and Awe" first strike, something that Schwartzkopf would have come up with as well, utilizing as many nations aircraft, Navy vessels, intelligence, crypto, jamming, etc, they could neutralize those grass fed cattle without much resistance. No one in that NK military has ever seen live fire in their lifetime. A first strike that hits every known artillery position, cuts off ALL supply lines immediately, if they even have any, and takes out the entry to every cave, foxhole, etc. would have those bastards scared shitless, and scattering like ants. Broadcast propaganda of their Toad Leader telling them to surrender, etc., and it would cause enough confusion for people who have never even fathomed such an attack. These people have been in the dark for decades. I don't see them performing very well. Like I said, it may sound foolish, but more than likely, it's a risk that will be taken at some point.
I believe that as we speak the US is targeting every military target in NK. When the time comes, it'll take about a half hour and every military target in NK will be a smokin' hole in the ground.
 

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I believe that as we speak the US is targeting every military target in NK. When the time comes, it'll take about a half hour and every military target in NK will be a smokin' hole in the ground.
You can bet that any location that is able to get a shot off, will be immediately destroyed. I'm not sure they will even get that far though.
 

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I keep wondering why, if their rockets are so capable, they keep landing in the Sea of Japan? Why not guide one to the bikini atoll, or anyplace else to show the true capabilities? I've come to wonder if this just a lot of too do about nothing.
 

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I keep wondering why, if their rockets are so capable, they keep landing in the Sea of Japan? Why not guide one to the bikini atoll, or anyplace else to show the true capabilities?
Could it have anything to do with the fact that to do that, would require violating the air space of one of their neighboring countries?
 

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I keep wondering why, if their rockets are so capable, they keep landing in the Sea of Japan? Why not guide one to the bikini atoll, or anyplace else to show the true capabilities? I've come to wonder if this just a lot of too do about nothing.
I've wondered about that also
But, just like a Progressive Protester, they'll get in your face and shout out all kinds of obscenities attempting to force the other side to react
Once a reaction takes place, they'll take the high ground, at that point in time, saying:
"See, See, I told you they were crazy and dangerous"

NK can't violate anything, right now, as they are only in the provocation stage

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The reason they don't shoot it out into the Pacific is because of this. Ie: can't get there from there. At least not with a missile that none of the neighbors want shot through their airspace and fat boy doesn't truly want to start a war. You can't just lob a military weapon through another Sovereigns airspace without receiving the type of repercussions that fat boy isn't interested in receiving.

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I wonder what would happen if Trump were to offer to meet with Kimmy for a pow-wow? Maybe invite some other big wigs to hash things out?
 

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Still offers nothing in the proof of capability.
 

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Who stands to gain the most from this? From my vantage point bad haircut guy was quiet until about the election. Is this just another NWO ploy to distract Trump from him personal mission?
Seems the D's & traitor john cancer survivor wannabe are itching for a war....... Before the election pug face could not get anything more than a few feet off the ground without blowing up..... now it's weekly launcehes.
Where did the technology come from so fast?
 

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For the least month or so, I've come to believe that the US will indeed strike NK.

Manya analysts say the military option does not exist but not everyone agrees.

I assume the US collecting current Intell and planning.

I don't know how many forces and weapons are in Japan and South Korea but assume movement of more weapons and systems closer to NK would be needed, therefore NK will retaliate by striking SK and Japan.

Seoul's nickname is the "Killbox" b/c of of high population and close proximity to the DMZ and NK's short range artillery/missiles.

I think the US will strike within 2 years.
 

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North Korea's latest threat to use an H bomb to create an EMP over the USA . . .

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...-attack-north-koreas-newest-weapon-against-us

. . . prompted the unintended consequence of me sending a "solution to North Korea" to the White House:

A solution to North Korea

President Trump correctly said that neither talking nor appeasement will resolve the problems with North Korea. Unfortunately, the current approach of flexing USA military muscles and threatening North Korea with annihilation does not work either. It is important to note that allowing North Korea to test missiles or nuclear weapons cannot work because North Korea will continue to develop the delivery of ever more disastrous weapons until it is stopped from doing so. The most recent North Korea threat to explode a high altitude H bomb to create an EMP that will result in the deaths of millions of Americans is obviously unacceptable. North Korea must be told that its threats against the USA are intolerable in the only way that it will understand.

The solution to the North Korea problem is to echo JFK in the 1962 Cuban missile crisis. Specifically, the USA should clearly state the actions below, and then be 100% committed to follow through on them:

1) Effective immediately, North Korea tests of missiles or nuclear weapons will no longer be tolerated. Even tests that appear to be harmless or failures result in technological advancements that make the North Korea weapons more dangerous. If North Korea launches a missile with a "harmless" trajectory into the nearby ocean, then that launch will be penalized by a quick surgical military strike on the facilities that made the test possible. That military strike will not be a prelude to a greater conflict, but will only be a way to show North Korea that the cost to test missiles is too high. Similarly, any North Korea test of a nuclear weapon will result in a quick surgical military strike against the facilities that made the weapon test possible. Again, that strike will not be a prelude to a greater conflict, but will only be a way to show North Korea that the cost to test weapons is too high. If North Korea prepares to test a missile or a nuclear weapon, the USA will launch a quick surgical military strike on the test facilities to make the test impossible.

2) Any North Korea missile launched with a trajectory that could put it into range of an attack on Guam or the USA will be treated as the first shot in a war that North Korea has initiated against the USA, and the USA will use all of its military options to immediately and massively retaliate against North Korea's leadership and all of North Korea's military facilities. Similarly, any North Korea attack against its regional neighbors will be treated as the start of a war that North Korea has initiated against the USA, and the USA will use all of its military options to immediately retaliate against North Korea.

3) The UN sanctions against North Korea will continue to be enforced until North Korea eliminates its missiles and nuclear weapons, as proven by frequent and effective inspections. North Korea must learn that its actions to develop missiles and weapons that could damage its regional neighbors and the USA are not tolerable, and North Korea must begin to act like a respectable member of the world community.
 
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The US Navy can't drive around in the ocean without wrecking into another boat. I don't think victory is guaranteed and probably is no such thing now.
 

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Meanwhile, back in Japan...

Japan prepping for evacuation of tens of thousands in South Korea- Nikkei Asian Review

September 5, 2017 4:43 am JST
Japan prepping for evacuation of tens of thousands in South Korea
Tokyo mulls ways of bringing stranded nationals to safety should war break out

In the event of airport closures, the best option for Japanese citizens to return home would be by sea from the southeastern port city of Busan. The Japanese government is working to obtain cooperation from U.S. forces stationed in South Korea to transport evacuees across the country from Seoul to Busan.

The Japanese Self-Defense Forces would need permission from South Korea's government to operate inside the country. Approval has not been forthcoming and could provoke a backlash from a South Korean public harboring historical grievances at the former colonial power. But SDF vessels could help in ferrying Japanese citizens home from Busan.

Such a crises could make it easier for terrorists and other dangerous individuals to enter Japan disguised as returning citizens. The Japanese government aims to work with the U.S. to prevent such unlawful entry. One proposal would create a temporary holding area for returnees in Busan or Japan.

"We are looking at a range of responses" to a crisis on the Korean Peninsula, from securing evacuees and processing their entry to creating and operating holding facilities, as well as determining whether Japan is responsible for their protection, Abe had said at a parliamentary session in April.

(Nikkei)
 

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I moved this post to a new thread about war with North Korea.
 

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