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British Anti Aircraft Weapons of World War I
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Published on Mar 21, 2019
British Anti-Aircraft Weapons of World War I :
QF 1-Pounder Pom-Pom - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_1-po...
QF 3-pdr 5cwt (47mm) -
Vickers Armstrongs QF 2-Pounder Pom-Pom Mk II - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_12-p...
Elswick Ordnance QF 12-Pounder 12 cwt - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_12-p...
Elswick Ordnance QF 13-Pounder 6 cwt - http://military.wikia.com/wiki/QF_13-...
Ordnance 13-Pounder Mk IV - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_13-p...
QF 13-Pounder 9 cwt - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_13-p...
Vickers QF 3-inch 20 cwt - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QF_3-in...
Armstrong Whitworth Ordnance QF 18-pounder MKII - https://www.warmuseum.ca/firstworldwa...
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North & Skinner Wedge-Lock Revolving Rifle
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Published on Mar 25, 2019
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Patented in 1852 by Henry North and Chaucey Skinner, about 700 of these revolving rifles were made by 1856. The design used a locking wedge to seal the cylinder forward so that the firing chamber would nest into the barrel and seal the cylinder gap. The operating lever that did this also served to index the cylinder and recock the hammer, making for a fairly sophisticated design. The rifles were manufactured by North & Savage of Middletown Connecticut; the Edward North who was partner in the company was brother of Henry North, who was co-designer. The company dates back to the North & Cheney partnership formed to produce military pistols for the US government in 1799.

The improved patent of 1856 would replace the locking wedge system with a toggle link, and would be the basis for the North & Savage “Figure 8” revolvers. The revolving rifle design was abandoned in favor of handguns, as they presumably were significantly more popular on the market.
 

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Model 1914 Lewis Machine Gun - (Ep47)
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Published on Mar 26, 2019
Video of the Lewis Gun. This one in particular is from about early 1915. Enjoy!
 

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Musgrave 9mm: A Gun for the Black Market
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Published on Mar 27, 2019
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In the brief couple of years between the election of a new black-majority government in South Africa in 1994 and the dissolution of the Musgrave company, it attempted to produce a new 9mm pistol to sell to the burgeoning market of black South African citizens buying handguns. Ownership of pistols by black citizens had been legal under apartheid, but was (not surprisingly) quite uncommon - this began to change in 1994. The most popular pistol at the time was the Norinco 213 Tokarev in 9x19mm, which was available in large numbers and at very low cost.

To compete against this, Musgrave designed a simple blowback, polymer framed pistol chambered for 9x19mm using Beretta 92 magazines (which Musgrave had a large supply of, being the license Beretta distributor in the country). The gun was extremely simple, held together with a handful of screws and using a single action only hammer-fired mechanism. It was a commercial flop, however - unable to match the quality and price combination of the Tokarev and only about 500 were made in 1995 and 1996.
 

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Ingram M10 & M11 SMGs: The Originals from Powder Springs
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Published on Apr 3, 2019
These SMGs are lots 1069 (M10/45), 1070 (M10/9), and 1067 (M11) at Morphy's April 2019 auction:
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After the commercial failure of Gordon Ingram’s M6 submachine gun in the early 50s, we would radically change the layout of his designs. Instead of a Thompson lookalike Ingram’s M10 (the M7, M8, and M9 doing experimental prototypes only) would be a boxy and compact affair with a Czech-style telescoping bolt. It found little interest until a meeting between Gordon Ingram and Mitch WerBell resulted in WerBell demonstrating it to excited military audiences in Vietnam in 1969.

WebBell was an ex-OSS man who had started a company called Sionics, selling suppressors to the US military. He thought the combination of Ingrams submachine gun and his suppressor would be a fantastic package, and he found plenty of interest in special operations personnel in Vietnam. He would create the Military Armament Corporation based at his farm in Powder Springs, GA and entice Ingram to join as his chief engineer. The result would be the .45ACP M10, a 9mm version of the M10 (made for use with subsonic 9mm ammunition), and a scaled-down .380 ACP M11 submachine gun.

MAC would have a short life, with all its assets sold at a bankruptcy auction in April 1976 - but it had plenty of time to create what would become an iconic gun - the Big MAC. Many imitations and copies would follow, but Powder Springs was the home of true original Ingram M10 and M11 submachine guns!

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Top 5 Smallest Field Artillery of World War I - Explained
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75mm Blockhaus Schneider - https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...
Rosenberg 37mm M.1915 ( Траншейная 37-мм пушка обр. 1915 года ) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/37_mm_t...
Skoda 37mm Infanteriegeschutz M. 15 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.7_cm_...
3.7cm Rheinmetall TAK ( 3.7 cm Tankabwehrkanone 1918 in starrer Räderlafette ) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.7_cm_...
Canon d'Infanterie de 37 modèle 1916 TRP - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_d...
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Cold War era rifles, Beretta AR70, CETME L and Daewoo K1.
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Published on Apr 5, 2019
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German Mortar Systems of World War I
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Published on Apr 6, 2019
German Infantry Mortars of World War I ( Kaisereich ) :
Rheinmetall 7.58 cm Minenwerfer a.A. (alter Art ) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.58_cm...
9.15 cm leichtes Minenwerfer System Lanz - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9.15_cm...
Rheinmetall 17 cm mMW ( 17 cm mittlerer Minenwerfer ) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17_cm_m...
24 cm Ladungswerfer Ehrhardt schwerer - http://humanbonb.free.fr/indexLadungg...
24 cm Flügelminenwerfer "Iko" - http://www.passioncompassion1418.com/...
Rheinmetall 25 cm sMW ( 25 cm schwerer Minenwerfer ) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25_cm_s...
Albrecht Schwerer Minenwerfer - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albrech...
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Silent Destroyer: Reimagining the DeLisle Commando Carbine
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Published on Apr 10, 2019
This suppressed carbine is lot #1079 in the upcoming April 2019 Morphy's auction:
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Tom Denall’s “Silent Destroyer” (originally built on surplus Sanish “Destroyer” carbines) is a Ruger 77/44 bolt action rifle with a large integral suppressor. Chambered for the .44 Magnum cartridge, it allows the use of a heavy bullet to maximize ballistic potential while remaining subsonic, prevents mechanical action noise by being a bolt action system, and feeds from 3-round detachable box magazines. This particular example has been fitted with a light and small Burris Fastfire red dot optic, and makes for a handy and extremely quiet carbine. Like the DeLisle, but without all of that system’s flaws!

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German Light Artillery of World War I
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Published on Apr 12, 2019
German Light Artillery of World War I / Deutsche Leicht Artillerie des Ersten Weltkriegs 1914 - 1918 ( 37mm to 87mm ) -
German Light Field and Mountain Artillery :
Deutsche Leichtfeld-Artillerie und Bergkünstlerei:

Krupp 3.7cm Revolverkanone - https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...
Krupp 37mm Schuetzengrabenkanone - https://www.bivouac.ru/2018/02/nemeck...
Infantry and Mountain Guns : - http://www.passioncompassion1418.com/...
Krupp 3.7-cm SK L/30 M1893 -
Gruson 5.3 cm Fahrpanzer - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fahrpanzer
https://sassik.livejournal.com/251469...
http://www.landships.info/landships/a...
5.7 cm Maxim-Nordenfelt M1887 -
Krupp 4.7-cm M1896 Wüste-Gun ( Krupp Desert Gun ) - https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...
Krupp 6.cm- Bootslandungskanonen L/21 - https://forum.axishistory.com/viewtop...
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNGER...
http://www.passioncompassion1418.com/...
Krupp 6.5 cm Gebirgskanone
Krupp 6.5 cm-Kolonial-Bergkanone Krupp Modell 1870 - http://s400910952.websitehome.co.uk/g...
4x 7.2 cm Gebirgskanone L/14 M98 - http://s400910952.websitehome.co.uk/g...
Ehrhardt 7.5 cm Gebirgskanone Model 1904 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehrhard...
7.5cm Gebirgskanone M1908
Krupp 7.62 cm Infanteriegeschütz L/16.5 - http://www.landships.info/landships/a...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62_cm...
Krupp 7.7 cm Infanteriegeschütz L/20 -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.7_cm_...
7.7 cm Infanteriegeschütz L/27 - http://www.landships.info/landships/a...
Grrman Field Artillery :
37mm 3.7cm Schnellfeuerkanone L/30 - https://sassik.livejournal.com/251469...
5.3 cm Fahrpanzer Krupp - https://sassik.livejournal.com/251469...
Krupp 7.5 cm Model 1903 - https://en.valka.cz/topic/view/109628...
https://en.valka.cz/topic/view/109628
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krupp_7...
Krupp 7.7 cm Feldkanone 96 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.7_cm_...
Krupp 7.7 cm Feldkanone 96 neuer Art -
Krupp 7.7 cm Feldkanone 16 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.7_cm_...
Rheinmetall 7.7 cm Kanone in Haubitzelafette - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.7_cm_...
Krupp 8 cm Kanone C/73
Krupp 7.5 cm Krupp M. 1886 ( 8 cm Kanone C/80 ) - https://en.valka.cz/topic/view/110299
Krupp 9 cm Kanone C/73 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9_cm_Ka...
https://en.valka.cz/topic/view/110034
Krupp 9 cm Kanone C/79 ( 8,7 cm L/24 Krupp FK C/80 or 9cm Feldkanone C/80 ) - https://en.valka.cz/topic/view/109785
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Canadian 8mm “Sterile” Bren Gun
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Published on Apr 12, 2019
This Bren is lot #1013 at Morphy's April 2019 auction:
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The John Inglis company in Toronto first opened in 1859 as a metalworking shop, and grew steadily over the decades under first John Inglis, and then later his sons. Inglis did substantial amounts of military work during World War One, but the Great Depression hit it hard, and both William and Alexander Inglis died in 1935 and 1936 respectively. The company went into receivership but was purchased by one Major James Hahn (DSO) and a group of business partners in November of 1936. Hahn and his associates saw an opportunity to use this large manufacturing facility to make machine guns for the military, and they were successful - in October 1938 they were awarded a contract to make 5000 MkI Bren guns.More contracts would follow, and by the height of World War Two the company had some 15,000 employees and more than a million square feet of floor space.

Among many other projects, Inglis was contracted to make small arms for sale to the Nationalist Chinese government under Chiang Kai Shek - both High Power pistols and Bren guns in 8mm Mauser (to fit the Chinese standardization on that cartridge). A batch of 8mm ZB-30 light machine guns were brought in from the Far East to use as a pattern, and Inglis engineers were able to successfully redesign the Bren to use that cartridge and magazine.

Where the story gets hazy is in trying to determine how many were made and for whom. The Chinese guns are marked in Mandarin on the receivers, and have “CH” prefix serial numbers, like the Chinese contract High Power pistols. However, two additional variations exist without those Chinese markings. Some are marked “7.92 Bren MkI” and “Inglis 1943” (or 44 or 45), and others - like this one - are just marked “7.92 Bren MkI”. The dated ones are typically referred to as Resistance guns, intended to be supplied to European resistance units for whom 7.92mm ammunition was more readily available than .303 - although information on how many guns were supplied in this way (if any) is difficult to find. The last group is generally called “sterile”, and it is not clear what their purpose is. This particular example is one of 23 that were registered in the US in the early 1960s to Interarms, and it does appear that they were associated with some clandestine US military activities. The serial numbers of those 23 Interarms guns range from 1-5343 to 2-8045, suggesting a production of 13,000 or perhaps as many as 28,000 guns - that is quite a lot to be undocumented and missing.

Hopefully, more information will turn up in the future to shed light on the purpose and use of these 8mm Brens. We do know for sure that many thousands did go to Chinese forces, and some were brought into the UK, where in the 1960s they were used in the development of the 7.62mm NATO L4 version of the Bren.

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Lee Carbine: Gunmaking is not for the Faint of Heart
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Published on Apr 16, 2019
This rifle is lot #13868 at Morphy's April 2019 auction:
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James Paris Lee is known today as the inventor of the detachable box magazine, and the “Lee” in the “Lee Enfield” rifle system - a very significant contributor to firearms development. His first foray into the business of gun design and manufacture, however, was a rather ignominious failure.

Lee patented a single shot swinging barrel system in 1862, and hoped to win an Army contract for it. In February of 1864 he submitted a rifle version to the Army, and was promptly rejected - the Army was not interested in breechloading rifles. Lee came right back in April 1864 with a carbine pattern, and this was accepted for testing - the Army was indeed looking for breechloading cavalry carbines. It took a full year, but in April 1865 the Army came back and gave Lee a contract for 1,000 carbines at $18 each. Lee rounded up investors and capital, and created the Lee Fire Arms Company in Milwaukee to produce the guns. His first two samples were delivered in January 1866 - in .42 rimfire caliber.

At this point, there is some disagreement. Lee claims that his sample guns in .42 caliber were accepted, and thus his followup delivery of .42 caliber carbines should have been accepted. The government said that the contract specified .44 rimfire caliber, and his delivery of .42 caliber guns was unacceptable, and thus rejected. A court case would ensue, but with the rejection of the first 250 guns and the cancellation of their contract, the company had to look hard and fast for a backup plan. In March 1867 newspaper ads were placed in Milwaukee for sporting rifles and carbines from the Lee company. The parts planned for military production were used instead for civilian guns in a variety of configurations - carbines, light rifles, and heavy rifles in several barrel lengths and several calibers. By 1868 all production had ceased, and the Lee Fire Arms Company dissolved.

James Lee returned to his former profession of watchmaking, but this experience with gun manufacturing would not keep him deterred for long. By 1872 he was back working with Remington, and would go on the produce the designs that we know him for today. The lessons of this rifle? Firearms manufacturing is a risky business, not for the faint of heart. And also, sometimes you can learn from a difficult experience to do better the second time.

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Original Vietnam-Era M60 at the Range
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Published on Apr 27, 2019
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The M60 was the first modern American military machine gun, developed from the operating system of the German FG-42 and the feed system of the German MG-42 in the years after World War Two. It has a rather schizophrenic reputation, being loved by many who used it in Vietnam and hated by many who used it later in its service life. The design had some fundamental flaws, but did offer a far more mobile base of fire than the M1919A6 that it replaced. Today, I am going to do a bit of shooting with an original Vietnam pattens M60, which will act as a baseline for future videos covering the various improvements and modernizations of the platform.

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Portugal's MG-13: the M938 Light Machine Gun
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The MG13 was an interim machine gun used by the German military in the 1930s until the MG34 was adopted and widely issued. The MG13 (so designated to allow a claim that it was a WW1 era design, not a new development by Rheinmetall in the 1920s) was a closed-bolt, magazine fed, short recoil, hammer fired design. It has a particularly interesting mechanism allowing the recoil spring tension to be adjusted, and also has a folding stock - an unusual feature on a light machine gun. Fed by both 25 round box magazines and 75 round double drums, this particular example is a Portuguese contract example designated the M938. Today’s video will focus on the mechanical operation of the gun, rather than its developmental history.

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Chassepot: Best of the Needle Rifles
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Published on May 3, 2019
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The Model 1866 Chassepot was France's first military cartridge-firing rifle. It used a self-contained paper cartridge on the same basic principle as the Prussian 1841 Dreyse rifle, but was a substantial improvement on that system. The Chassepot fired an 11mm bullet at about 1350 fps (410 m/s), which was substantially higher velocity than the Dreyse. It was more accurate and had a substantially longer effective range. The French would produce about 1.5 million Chassepot rifles, most of them before the Franco-Prussian War.

Despite the quality of the Chassepot rifle, that war would go tremendously badly for the French, with hundreds of thousands of men and arms captured by the Prussians and the new German state being declared in the palace of Versailles. In the aftermath, many German cavalry units would adopt Chassepots for their own use, until the Gewehr 71 was available in carbine form. The French would resume Chassepot production briefly after the war, but would soon transition to a new rifle, the metallic cartridge firing Gras.

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Bren Machine Gun (Ep49)
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Published on May 3, 2019
Video of the Bren Gun. This one in particular was made in 1942 at Inglis and is a Bren MKIm. Enjoy!

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Extra-Fancy 20-Shot Pinfire Revolver
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Published on May 4, 2019
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This revolver sold for $34,500 in 2016.

The pinfire cartridge was a popular development in Europe in the mid-1800s that never saw much exposure in the United States. A huge variety of pinfire revolvers were made by a myriad of large and small shops, with Liege Belgium being one of the biggest manufacturing centers.

Guns ranged from tiny folding-trigger 5mm models to massive 12mm weapons, with capacities from 5 to 20 shots. This particular one is both mechanically and visually interesting. It is a twin-barrel example, with a 20-round cylinder using chamber in two concentric rings. The inner ring of ten rounds are fired from the lower barrel and the outer ring of 10 rounds are shot through the top barrel. As one cocks and fires, the gun automatically alternates between the two. It is a clever way to get a large capacity without the cylinder become too ridiculously huge. Visually, of course, this revolver is pretty arresting, with its complete coverage of decorative gold embellishing and fancy case.
 

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Local Boy Saves Nation: The Australian Owen SMG
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Published on May 8, 2019
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The One submachine gun is one of the ugliest SMGs ever designed, and yet also one of the most beloved by its users. The original basis for the gun was a .22 rimfire submachine gun designed by 23-year-old Australian Evelyn Owen. That prototype was found by his neighbor Vincent Wardell after Owen left for military service. Wardell was the manager of Lysaght Works, an engineering firm, and thought that the gun might be the basis for a useful military SMG. As it turned out, he was right - it became the standard SMG of The Australian military through World War Two and the Korean War, and was one of the best such guns of that period. For more details on the history of the Owen, see my full article:

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Knight's Assault Machine Guns at the Range
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Published on May 11, 2019
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Knights Armament introduced their "Assault Machine Gun" a couple years ago, and I had a chance to take both versions (5.56mm and 7.62mm) out to the range recently. The gun is the spiritual descendant of the Stoner 63, but is more directly mades on Eugene Stoner's Model 86 light machine gun. It utilizes the content recoil principle, with the bolt never actually contacting the rear of the receiver during the cycling process. This results in recoil being felt by the shooter as a continuous steady force instead of a rapid series of impacts and that makes it tremendously controllable. Not surprisingly, these guns are already being sold to military and security organizations worldwide...

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Swiss 1929 Simplified Luger (Yes, Swiss and Simplified)
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Published on May 15, 2019
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Switzerland was the First Nation to adopt the Luger as a service pistol, and they purchased them DWM in Germany from 1900 until 1914. World War One stopped deliveries, of course, and after the war the Swiss opted to begin their own production at Waffenfabrik Bern. These Swiss Lugers have become known as the model 06/24 by collectors, and were made until 1933. During that time, Bern was looking for ways to simplify and economize their production, and these efforts came together with the development of the Model 1929. It actually entered production in 1934, and was made until 1947 with a total of about 28,000 made for the military and about 1,900 made for the civilian market.

The main mechanical change to the 1929 pattern was a lengthening of the grip safety. Other changes included simplifying the profile of the front strap of the grip, removing knurling and serrations on the controls, and only serializing four parts. A production date stamp was also added to the inside of the frame, however.
 

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Shooting the HK21 Modular Machine Gun
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Published on May 25, 2019
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The HK21 is a the belt-fed iteration of the H&K roller-delayed blowback mechanism. H&K built a wide range of firearms around that system, including submachine guns (MP5), rifles (HK33, HK91), precision rifles (PSG-1), and machine guns. Originally they made a version in 5.56mm and one in 7.62mm, but later combined both guns into a single universal platform. The standardized receiver can be fitted with either magazine-feed or belt-feed mechanisms in either 5.56mm or 7.62mm, greatly simplifying H&K's production and logistics.

This is the 7.62mm belt fed model, which was popular with clients like Portugal who used the G3 rifle but not the MG3 machine gun. It has a reputation for unrivaled reliability under terrible maintenance and harsh environments. The downside, however, is harsher recoil than most other guns I have used in its class.

Many thanks to H&K USA for providing me access to this HK21, and to Trijicon for graciously providing use of their range and their VCOG optic!
 

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French NATO Standardization: the MAS 49-56 in 7.62mm
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In the late 1950s, France was still part of the NATO integrated military structure. When the 7.62x51mm cartridge was adopted as standard for the alliance, France looked to be in a good position to simply convert their MAS 49-56 rifles to use it. After all, the 7.5mm cartridge the rifle was designed for was very similar to the new NATO round. After several years of trials, however, the project was dropped as impractical. It turned out that the much different pressure curve of the 7.62mm round would require significant redesign of the MAS rifles. They suffered from poor extraction, broken parts form high bolt velocity, and other issues (not coincidentally, the exact same problems reported with the 308 MAS 49-56 rifles imported by Century...). The St Etienne factory only made a total of 150 of them in 7.62x51mm before the project ended.

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AAI 2nd Gen SPIW Flechette Rifles
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The SPIW program began in 1962 with entries from Colt, Springfield, AAI, and Winchester. The first set of trials were a complete failure, and both Colt and Winchester abandoned the project at that point. AAI pressed on, producing these second generation rifles - one for trials in 1966 and one after. Both are chambered for the XM-645 5.6x57mm single-flechette cartridge. Under testing, both showed multiple serious problems in reliability, noise, cook-offs, and accuracy. The company would struggle on for years continuing to develop the flechette rifle system, but would be ultimately unsuccessful.

Thanks to the Rock Island Arsenal Museum for allowing me access to film this very interesting rifle! If you are in the Quad Cities in Illinois or Iowa, the Museum is definitely worth a visit. They have a great number of small arms on display as well as an excellent history of the Rock Island Arsenal.

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Sterling S11: Donkey in a Thoroughbred Race
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In the 1960s, the Sterling company began to worry about the prospects of continued sales of the Sterling (Patchett) SMG, especially in light of new competitors like the H&K MP5. Its chief design engineer, Frank Waters, created the S11 as a gun to replace the classic Sterling. The S11 was based on a simple stamped/folded steel receiver, and was intended to have a lower unit cost that the Sterling. It kept the excellent Patchett magazine, but had a barrel and sights offset to the left side, and offered two separate bayonet lugs - one for the No5 rifle and one for the L1A1/FAL.

Unfortunately for Sterling, it was determined that the tooling cost would have made the S11 actually more expensive that the existing guns, whose tooling costs had been long since covered. Also, the S11 was just not a very good or very reliable design - a "donkey in a thoroughbred race" to quote one Sterling manager. This one prototype was the only example ever made, and the project was shelved in 1967 in favor of expanding into more civilian models of the original Sterling.

Many thanks to the Royal Armouries for allowing me to film and disassemble this one of a kind submachine gun! The NFC collection there - perhaps the best military small arms collection in Western Europe - is available by appointment to researchers:

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