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I am a Proud White Honky and I have a lot of relatives in SA. I haven't been there or spoken to them in at least 20 years, but they consider themselves to be "African" just as much as any spear-chucking Zulu.
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I signed the petition. What inconvenience is involved ?
Nothing Ventured Nothing Gained. IMO
 

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I signed an online petition once. For several years afterwards if you typed my name in a search engine it would take you to that petition and my comments.
 

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I am a Proud White Honky and I have a lot of relatives in SA. I haven't been there or spoken to them in at least 20 years, but they consider themselves to be "African"......
AGREE, Spent two weeks hitting Jo'berg, Durban, and Cape Town.
All but one person were upstanding people I had no trouble calling "Friend", Whites , Blacks, or Indian.
 

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I signed an online petition once. For several years afterwards if you typed my name in a search engine it would take you to that petition and my comments.
That is GOOGLE not the site.
 
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How can anybody place blame on the White South African for what the communists in the west (25 countries) did by passing laws that placed trade sanctions on South Africa in the late 1980’s which paved the way for the communist takeover.

Because I think it is good, I transcribed Stephan Molyneux’s explanation (from YouTube video at minute mark 32:39) of how the blame the victim stuff is some cold-blooded shit.

. . . Well and of course, this blame the victim stuff is also very strong, right, because you can be murdered, and people will say ‘well that’s what happens when you have apartheid’. Like so, if you’re the minority and your murdered on racial grounds for racial animosity. In the west if you were a minority, a regular being targeted and murdered people would go insane, and the idea of blaming the victim would be incomprehensible. But of course, if its whites in South Africa, well you see, it’s just a legacy of the horrible apartheid system, and there is either the explicit or implicit statement, that they damn well deserve it. And that again this double standard, this use of morality to basically expand upon and let fly racial hatred toward whites - this is going to lead to a very very nasty place, and very few people will understand all the steps it took to get there, they’ll only be horrified at what happens. Then of course when South Africa starts to run out of money, and starts to run out of water, and starts to run out of medicine, then all the people in the west are going to say ah ‘you know what we need more foreign aid!’, ‘you know what we need is to take refugees!’. And it’s like what about the whites who are there right now? who are being targeted in not even in the first steps, but intermediate to late steps of a genocide, the whites who are being targeted there for their race, for their ethnicity, for their language, why can’t they be refugees? Why can’t the whites be airlifted out and given a place of sanctuary? I’m sure a lot of people, I’ve talked to people in South Africa desperate to get out, it’s very hard to get out at all, why can’t they? Because they’re not refugees, they are being targeted for genocide, but it’s their own damn fault according to a popular narrative, and that is some cold-blooded shit I’ll tell you right now.​
 

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How can anybody place blame on the White South African for what the communists in the west (25 countries) did by passing laws that placed trade sanctions on South Africa in the late 1980’s which paved the way for the communist takeover.

Because I think it is good, I transcribed Stephan Molyneux’s explanation (from YouTube video at minute mark 32:39) of how the blame the victim stuff is some cold-blooded shit.

. . . Well and of course, this blame the victim stuff is also very strong, right, because you can be murdered, and people will say ‘well that’s what happens when you have apartheid’. Like so, if you’re the minority and your murdered on racial grounds for racial animosity. In the west if you were a minority, a regular being targeted and murdered people would go insane, and the idea of blaming the victim would be incomprehensible. But of course, if its whites in South Africa, well you see, it’s just a legacy of the horrible apartheid system, and there is either the explicit or implicit statement, that they damn well deserve it. And that again this double standard, this use of morality to basically expand upon and let fly racial hatred toward whites - this is going to lead to a very very nasty place, and very few people will understand all the steps it took to get there, they’ll only be horrified at what happens. Then of course when South Africa starts to run out of money, and starts to run out of water, and starts to run out of medicine, then all the people in the west are going to say ah ‘you know what we need more foreign aid!’, ‘you know what we need is to take refugees!’. And it’s like what about the whites who are there right now? who are being targeted in not even in the first steps, but intermediate to late steps of a genocide, the whites who are being targeted there for their race, for their ethnicity, for their language, why can’t they be refugees? Why can’t the whites be airlifted out and given a place of sanctuary? I’m sure a lot of people, I’ve talked to people in South Africa desperate to get out, it’s very hard to get out at all, why can’t they? Because they’re not refugees, they are being targeted for genocide, but it’s their own damn fault according to a popular narrative, and that is some cold-blooded shit I’ll tell you right now.​
It is cold blooded shit, but that's your average leftist commie bastard for you. As I said, the have this planned for all of us. That's why they want the guns so bad. Can't commit a genocide very easily on armed people.
 

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It's really too bad, Africa is a natural resource treasure trove. Everything from oil, gold, platinum, copper, cobalt, rare metals, forest products, agriculture, on and on.

Its inhabitants should be very well off, not desperately poor.

But corruption, tribalism and ignorance rule that continent.
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It is a different world than when I was there in 86-87.
I've always thought I'd like to go back.
I've changed my mind.
 

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They did this to two black local teachers in Soweto just as we were flying home:

Necklacing is the practice of summary execution and torture carried out by forcing a rubber tire, filled with petrol, around a victim's chest and arms, and setting it on fire. The victim may take up to 20 minutes to die, suffering severe burns in the process.
 

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They did this to two black local teachers in Soweto just as we were flying home:

Necklacing is the practice of summary execution and torture carried out by forcing a rubber tire, filled with petrol, around a victim's chest and arms, and setting it on fire. The victim may take up to 20 minutes to die, suffering severe burns in the process.
Racist!!
 

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The only immigrants from South Africa I have met are two of my doctors. One is a US top ten ankle specialist who invented his own version of an ankle joint replacement. I am a candidate but am doing well without it right now. . He graduated from medical school in South Africa and immediately applied for his Residency here. The other was an intern working with him a few times. He saw the writing on the wall a long time ago. I signed the petition.
 

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They did this to two black local teachers in Soweto just as we were flying home:

Necklacing is the practice of summary execution and torture carried out by forcing a rubber tire, filled with petrol, around a victim's chest and arms, and setting it on fire. The victim may take up to 20 minutes to die, suffering severe burns in the process.
That's been big down there quite a long time. Mandela's people liked that technique al lot. Not all of them, I guess, I just read that some of them did. I also understand that's big with the Mexican drug people.

Just how evil can you get? More evil, I'm sure, but that's one of the reasons I like to keep fully loaded guns around and knives and small hardwood bats with lead cores.
 

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That's been big down there quite a long time. Mandela's people liked that technique al lot. Not all of them, I guess, I just read that some of them did. I also understand that's big with the Mexican drug people.

Just how evil can you get? More evil, I'm sure, but that's one of the reasons I like to keep fully loaded guns around and knives and small hardwood bats with lead cores.
I thought Haiti was the originator of necklacing.
 

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I thought Haiti was the originator of necklacing.
According to the interweb Haiti does plenty of it. I don't know who originated it, though, honestly.
 

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That's been big down there quite a long time. Mandela's people liked that technique al lot. Not all of them, I guess, I just read that some of them did. I also understand that's big with the Mexican drug people.

Just how evil can you get? More evil, I'm sure, but that's one of the reasons I like to keep fully loaded guns around and knives and small hardwood bats with lead cores.
Yep, they're animals yet no self respecting black African has any use for the American pavement ape...let that one sink in
 

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I thought Haiti was the originator of necklacing.
NOPE, They are "New to the Party". Besides they let Bill and Hitlary get away.
 

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I thought Haiti was the originator of necklacing.
NOPE, They are "New to the Party". Besides they let Bill and Hitlary get away.
 

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It's amazing, or maybe not. So called "journalists" in SA are just as ignorant and short sighted as those in NAmerica. She can't see that this new policy will cause incredible misery and mass poverty in a matter of a few short years. She, herself might end up starving on the streets, eventually. Of course Roets was upset. He can clearly see the end result of this unbelievable stupidity.
 

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It's amazing, or maybe not. So called "journalists" in SA are just as ignorant and short sighted as those in NAmerica. She can't see that this new policy will cause incredible misery and mass poverty in a matter of a few short years. She, herself might end up starving on the streets, eventually. Of course Roets was upset. He can clearly see the end result of this unbelievable stupidity.
Obviously she is dumber than a rock, a perfect snowflake.

Like Stefan Molyneux says white people IQ 100; black people 70 is a big problem especially when they rule.
 
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Looks like farmers are returning to Rhodesia (I refuse to call the country Zimbabwe) - this one gets a hero’s welcome.


Maybe witch doctors in South Africa can heal the murdered and eaten farmers as they need them in the future. Booga Booga Booga.

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From Jim Stone:

Zimbabwe to evicted white farmers: Please come back!
South Africa is repeating the same mistake Zimbabwe made over a decade ago with it's land grabs from white farmers. After
Zimbabwe evicted white farmers, agriculture failed, and GDP dropped enormously. The punch line? Blacks who moved on to white land anywhere now have to start paying rent, which will be paid to the whites who return to compensate them for what was taken!


THE BIGGER PUNCH LINE: "Clearly, the formulas deployed then, left a lot of bad feeling. And more importantly, the intellectual property, left our borders," Zimbabwe president Nyabadza said."

MY COMMENT: Intellectual property??!!?? YOU MEAN TO TELL ME HE ACTUALLY CALLED WHITE PEOPLE "INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY??!!?? HA HA HA, that says it ALL!!! The indigenous population can't run sh*t so agriculture collapsed and now they are begging the "intellect" that made it all go to return . . . . from Australia and wherever else they were exiled to! After that type of thing happens, only fools will return!.

 

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Looks like farmers are returning to Rhodesia (I refuse to call the country Zimbabwe) - this one gets a hero’s welcome.


Maybe witch doctors in South Africa can heal the murdered and eaten farmers as they need them in the future. Booga Booga Booga.

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With Africans, it's a very delicate balance between their wanting the better standard of living that goes along with having White farmers around and the decreased self-esteem that goes along with the knowledge that the Whites run things so much better. Since they are near sighted and inclined towards instant gratification, it comes in cycles of envy. Only after years of suffering under their own management do they remember that having White farmers around had it's benefits.
The realization that they just can't run things as well as Whites makes them hate the Whites......until they're starving again.
 

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With Africans, it's a very delicate balance between their wanting the better standard of living that goes along with having White farmers around and the decreased self-esteem that goes along with the knowledge that the Whites run things so much better. Since they are near sighted and inclined towards instant gratification, it comes in cycles of envy. Only after years of suffering under their own management do they remember that having White farmers around had it's benefits.
The realization that they just can't run things as well as Whites makes them hate the Whites......until they're starving again.
Yeah, blacks are dangerous. We see this first hand in the American progressives cities. Sorry if anyone is offended by the truth but its still the truth
 

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Over the course of history, blacks have shown they are more anti-black than whites. Blacks have killed many times more blacks than whites have done (not to excuse these).

Recent history such as the War in Rwanda is ignored by most politicians and race war mongers.

THE RWANDAN GENOCIDE



From April to July 1994, members of the Hutu ethnic majority in the east-central African nation of Rwanda murdered as many as 800,000 people, mostly of the Tutsi minority. Begun by extreme Hutu nationalists in the capital of Kigali, the genocide spread throughout the country with staggering speed and brutality, as ordinary citizens were incited by local officials and the Hutu Power government to take up arms against their neighbors. By the time the Tutsi-led Rwandese Patriotic Front gained control of the country through a military offensive in early July, hundreds of thousands of Rwandans were dead and many more displaced from their homes. The RPF victory created 2 million more refugees (mainly Hutus) from Rwanda, exacerbating what had already become a full-blown humanitarian crisis.



BACKGROUND: ETHNIC TENSIONS IN RWANDA
By the early 1990s, Rwanda, a small country with an overwhelmingly agricultural economy, had one of the highest population densities in Africa. About 85 percent of its population is Hutu; the rest is Tutsi, along with a small number of Twa, a Pygmy group who were the original inhabitants of Rwanda. Part of German East Africa from 1894 to 1918, Rwanda came under the League of Nations mandate of Belgium after World War I, along with neighboring Burundi. Rwanda’s colonial period, during which the ruling Belgians favored the minority Tutsis over the Hutus, exacerbated the tendency of the few to oppress the many, creating a legacy of tension that exploded into violence even before Rwanda gained its independence. A Hutu revolution in 1959 forced as many as 300,000 Tutsis to flee the country, making them an even smaller minority. By early 1961, victorious Hutus had forced Rwanda’s Tutsi monarch into exile and declared the country a republic. After a U.N. referendum that same year, Belgium officially granted independence to Rwanda in July 1962.

Did You Know?
In September 1998, the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR) issued the first conviction for genocide after a trial, declaring Jean-Paul Akayesu guilty for acts he engaged in and oversaw as mayor of the Rwandan town of Taba.

Ethnically motivated violence continued in the years following independence. In 1973, a military group installed Major General Juvenal Habyarimana, a moderate Hutu, in power. The sole leader of Rwandan government for the next two decades, Habyarimana founded a new political party, the National Revolutionary Movement for Development (NRMD). He was elected president under a new constitution ratified in 1978 and reelected in 1983 and 1988, when he was the sole candidate. In 1990, forces of the Rwandese Patriotic Front (RPF), consisting mostly of Tutsi refugees, invaded Rwanda from Uganda. A ceasefire in these hostilities led to negotiations between the government and the RPF in 1992. In August 1993, Habyarimana signed an agreement at Arusha, Tanzania, calling for the creation of a transition government that would include the RPF. This power-sharing agreement angered Hutu extremists, who would soon take swift and horrible action to prevent it.

GENOCIDE
On April 6, 1994, a plane carrying Habyarimana and Burundi’s president Cyprien Ntaryamira was shot down over Kigali, leaving no survivors. (It has never been conclusively determined who the culprits were. Some have blamed Hutu extremists, while others blamed leaders of the RPF.) Within an hour of the plane crash, the Presidential Guard together with members of the Rwandan armed forces (FAR) and Hutu militia groups known as the Interahamwe (“Those Who Attack Together”) and Impuzamugambi (“Those Who Have the Same Goal”) set up roadblocks and barricades and began slaughtering Tutsis and moderate Hutus with impunity. Among the first victims of the genocide were the moderate Hutu Prime Minister Agathe Uwilingiyimana and her 10 Belgian bodyguards, killed on April 7. This violence created a political vacuum, into which an interim government of extremist Hutu Power leaders from the military high command stepped on April 9.

The mass killings in Rwanda quickly spread from Kigali to the rest of the country, with some 800,000 people slaughtered over the next three months. During this period, local officials and government-sponsored radio stations called on ordinary Rwandan civilians to murder their neighbors. Meanwhile, the RPF resumed fighting, and civil war raged alongside the genocide. By early July, RPF forces had gained control over most of country, including Kigali. In response, more than 2 million people, nearly all Hutus, fled Rwanda, crowding into refugee camps in the Congo (then called Zaire) and other neighboring countries.

After its victory, the RPF established a coalition government similar to that agreed upon at Arusha, with Pasteur Bizimungu, a Hutu, as president and Paul Kagame, a Tutsi, as vice president and defense minister. Habyarimana’s NRMD party, which had played a key role in organizing the genocide, was outlawed, and a new constitution adopted in 2003 eliminated reference to ethnicity. The new constitution was followed by Kagame’s election to a 10-year term as Rwanda’s president and the country’s first-ever legislative elections.

INTERNATIONAL RESPONSE
As in the case of atrocities committed in the former Yugoslavia around the same time, the international community largely remained on the sidelines during the Rwandan genocide. A U.N. Security Council vote in April 1994 led to the withdrawal of most of a U.N. peacekeeping operation (UNAMIR) created the previous fall to aid with governmental transition under the Arusha accord. As reports of the genocide spread, the Security Council voted in mid-May to supply a more robust force, including more than 5,000 troops. By the time that force arrived in full, however, the genocide had been over for months. In a separate French intervention approved by the U.N., French troops entered Rwanda from Zaire in late June. In the face of the RPF’s rapid advance, they limited their intervention to a “humanitarian zone” set up in southwestern Rwanda, saving tens of thousands of Tutsi lives but also helping some of the genocide’s plotters–allies of the French during the Habyarimana administration–to escape.

In the aftermath of the Rwandan genocide, many prominent figures in the international community lamented the outside world’s general obliviousness to the situation and its failure to act in order to prevent the atrocities from taking place. As former U.N. Secretary-General Boutros Boutros-Ghali told the PBS news program “Frontline”: “The failure of Rwanda is 10 times greater than the failure of Yugoslavia. Because in Yugoslavia the international community was interested, was involved. In Rwanda nobody was interested.” Attempts were later made to rectify this passivity. After the RFP victory, the UNAMIR operation was brought back up to strength; it remained in Rwanda until March 1996, as one of the largest humanitarian relief efforts in history.

In October 1994, the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR), located in Tanzania, was established as an extension of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY) at The Hague, the first international tribunal since the Nuremburg Trials of 1945-46 and the first with the mandate to prosecute the crime of genocide. In 1995, the ICTR began indicting and trying a number of higher-ranking people for their role in the Rwandan genocide; the process was made more difficult because the whereabouts of many suspects were unknown. The trials continued over the next decade and a half, including the 2008 conviction of three former senior Rwandan defense and military officials for organizing the genocide.

https://www.history.com/topics/rwandan-genocide
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After white Europeans divided up all of Africa and established false borders and put many different peoples into the same nation, this was bound to happen. This is the same reason why the Middle East is a mess.

These people would have issues anyway, but false borders make the situation worse because it puts a government in charge that doesn’t represent or have the respect of the people.
 

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After white Europeans divided up all of Africa and established false borders and put many different peoples into the same nation, this was bound to happen. This is the same reason why the Middle East is a mess.
Why do you think Jews put so many different peoples in the US and European countries? What is bound to happen?
 

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Why do you think Jews put so many different peoples in the US and European countries? What is bound to happen?
Cultural and ethnic dissolution.
 

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After white Europeans divided up all of Africa and established false borders and put many different peoples into the same nation, this was bound to happen. This is the same reason why the Middle East is a mess.

These people would have issues anyway, but false borders make the situation worse because it puts a government in charge that doesn’t represent or have the respect of the people.
Even before Europeans colonized Africa and artificially divided it up into illogical countries, black on black tribalism and warfare was prevalent.

And of course whites have slaughtered untold millions of other whites over history.

Native Americans tribes were often at war with their neighboring tribes.

On and on.

The desire to kill off your enemies is an inherent part of human nature.

It seems that politicians (of both major parties) only get upset when the racial boundaries are crossed.
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Even before Europeans colonized Africa and artificially divided it up into illogical countries, black on black tribalism and warfare was prevalent.

And of course whites have slaughtered untold millions of other whites over history.

Native Americans tribes were often at war with their neighboring tribes.

On and on.

The desire to kill off your enemies is an inherent part of human nature.

It seems that politicians (of both major parties) only get upset is when the racial boundaries are crossed.
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Tribal warfare is those people working out their issues, in a barbaric way.

The real sinister element is the establishment of government by people who purposely wish to keep the people divided.