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Poll: Bitcoin Reaches $10,000 or $100 first?

Does Bitcoin Move To $10,000 or $100 Next?


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I’m gonna go ahead and vote 10k.
 

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intrinsically worthless currency
What currency isn’t intrinsically worthless?

Gold is a great store of value but a terrible currency. Same for silver; and I’d imagine anything with intrinsic value would inherently be limited as a currency.

The next best thing would be to have government backed certificatesFor commodities... but then they would simply print more than what they really have just like they did when our currency was supposedly backed by bullion.

All that is needed for currency is honestly. With bitcoin you can know exactly how many bitcoins exist at any given time. That’s bitcoins and any good currencys role...

Buy gold if you want to store value and hold something real.
 
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It'd be much more appropriate for a poll to ask:
"What intrinsically worthless currency will hit ZERO first - - the USD or bitcoin?"
Sorry. Only one poll per thread. :))
 

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Ah yes the difficult and painstaking task of shining a turd.
Pretty funny.
It's hilarious to read post from individuals that refuse to even open another tab and research for five minutes.
Its obvious you have no idea what the blockchain is or is going to be.
Are you typing on a computer with an Intel chip? Probably. Sorry, but your chip company uses blockchain.
Hundreds of other companies do the same.
The efficiencies of the blockchain translate to lower costs and higher share prices, ie HyperLedger
Everybody in the world will be using the blockchain eventually either under Microsoft or Linux.
Even you @goldielox1.
So investing into the Bitcoin world doesn't seem to turdish now does it?
 

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Gold is a great store of value but a terrible currency. Same for silver; and I’d imagine anything with intrinsic value would inherently be limited as a currency.
It would certainly be limited in online use. I'm pretty sure that if one tries jamming SAE's into the slot on their computer in an attempt to purchase stuff on ebay, it won't work.


The next best thing would be to have government backed certificatesFor commodities... but then they would simply print more than what they really have just like they did when our currency was supposedly backed by bullion.
Exactly. Any system based a held commodity has at least one fatal flaw. It requires imperfect and oftentimes untrustworthy people who are prone to succumb to temptation, to be trusted to run it in an honest manner.
...and asking for that is like asking for Heaven on Earth. Ain't gonna happen, no how no way. Show me any monetary system through history that hasn't been abused by the people charged with operating it. Does one even exist?


All that is needed for currency is honestly.
Yep.


One thing all those who take issue with "fiat money" should keep in mind is if they ever got their way and the gov re-instituted the gold standard, that would in fact make gold become fiat. Ie: it would become money by order of government. The very definition of fiat money.
...and the only way it would work, is if anyone could drop by and count the gold for themselves. Otherwise they'd just cheat on it like they did the last time.
 

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Could be worse. $5300 is the upper median line.
 

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What do I win when it hits 10k?
 

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Bitcoin is fake news
 

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Motley Fool just sent out their newsletter with this article.
Talk about people piling into that fake news.....
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Everything You Need to Know About the Cryptocurrency Craze
David Gardner, Motley Fool co-founder and Rule Breakers advisor

Dear Fellow Fools,

I recently talked with Motley Fool Rule Breakers analyst Aaron Bush about cryptocurrencies, blockchain technology, and how you might invest in this exciting new area.
 

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Maybe the OP will start a New Poll like when will BTC reach $10,000.00

This video is drift. Maybe not.
Maybe BitCoin is of the devil.

 

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...and you're a liar. That's not what I said asshole. It's not like you have to guess you lazy dickhead it was only a couple pages back. Holy shit you can't even back up two pages and re-read before hurling insults? lol Lazy and ignorant.

In case you're too stupid to use the navigation tools I'll give you a direct link to the post in question:
http://www.goldismoney2.com/threads...0-000-or-100-first.163238/page-3#post-1277334

Now then. Find a penny stock stock that has gone up > 800,000% in less than 8 years or issue an apology. Otherwise STFU. ...and don't waste my time with another piece of crap pot plant stock that went from a penny to 40 cents and back down to a penny.
Wow you're a real doofus. The original "challenge" from the crypto bag holders was to find a penny stock that went up 1000's of percent. I easily did that and posted about it. Now it's got to go up 1 million %? Love how mental midgets like you have to keep changing the rules when you're soundly defeated over and over again.
 

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Gold is a great store of value but a terrible currency. Same for silver; and I’d imagine anything with intrinsic value would inherently be limited as a currency.
You're confusing the money with the exchange medium. It'd be like arguing the 10-ton printing press for dollars makes the dollar really inefficient as currency. Or the 10-ton computer server makes the bitcoin really inefficient as currency. Bitgold I believe it is called allows one to pay for items electronically to anyone that accepts a debit card and to give or receive gold electronically as a debit or credit on one's gold account. Now of course one has to trust the vault holding the gold just like one has to trust the bank holding your "dollar bills" when you get or send money to someone electronically.

Its obvious you have no idea what the blockchain is or is going to be.
Another mistake. Confusing the technology with the currency. Yes blockchain = good. Bitcoin = turd. Blockchain could be used to transfer gold as well. If a group like the Texas Depository was holding the bars, I'd trust a blockchain technology to transfer ownership of gold in my name.

if they ever got their way and the gov re-instituted the gold standard, that would in fact make gold become fiat.
Again you don't have the slightest grasp what money or fiat is to make an ignorant statement like this (any others in the past). The government can't make "gold become fiat".

LOL Even I don't think it will crash 90% to just $1000 in 26 hours, but good on you for waking up finally.
 

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Wow you're a real doofus. The original "challenge" from the crypto bag holders was to find a penny stock that went up 1000's of percent. I easily did that and posted about it. Now it's got to go up 1 million %? Love how mental midgets like you have to keep changing the rules when you're soundly defeated over and over again.
I don't suppose you can find a quote to back that up...liar. No? Didn't think so.
 

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You're confusing the money with the exchange medium. It'd be like arguing the 10-ton printing press for dollars makes the dollar really inefficient as currency. Or the 10-ton computer server makes the bitcoin really inefficient as currency. Bitgold I believe it is called allows one to pay for items electronically to anyone that accepts a debit card and to give or receive gold electronically as a debit or credit on one's gold account. Now of course one has to trust the vault holding the gold just like one has to trust the bank holding your "dollar bills" when you get or send money to someone electronically.
I’m not confused.

Area51 said “intrinsically worthless currency”. You conveniently left that part out and took my quote out of context.

Currency IS the medium of exchange by definition. Unless you’re bartering with goods or commodities then the currency is intrinsically worthless short of using the paper to burn for fire or to wipe ones ass.
 

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Bitgold I believe it is called allows one to pay for items electronically to anyone that accepts a debit card and to give or receive gold electronically as a debit or credit on one's gold account. Now of course one has to trust the vault holding the gold just like one has to trust the bank holding your "dollar bills" when you get or send money to someone electronically.
Doing that gets you right back to the original problem Ie: imperfect people must be trusted to run it without ever succumbing to temptation to abuse their power.
When have we ever had a monetary system that didn't end up being abused by those running it? Even our beloved gold standard got f'ed up by those in charge printing more claims on gold than existed at the time.


The government can't make "gold become fiat".
Sure it can and did. By fiat simply means by decree. If gold is decreed by gov to be money again, then that in fact fits the definition of "by fiat".


Area51 said “intrinsically worthless currency”. You conveniently left that part out and took my quote out of context.
That's just how @goldielox1 rolls. lol
 

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Well, if nothing else, bitcoin is putting many theories and alleged wisdom about money, finance and banking into the dreaded furnace of reality to see which will survive.

Yes, absolutely, gold IS money. However, gold is NOT practical as a day-to-day currency for purchases at gas stations, grocery stores, restaurants and so on. It IS practical, to a limited degree, for business transactions. Gold is at it's best use as a STORE OF WEALTH.

At this point in time silver fills the role of a day-to-day currency far better than gold due to it's greater abundance and therefore lower value per specified quantity. It is quite useable at gas stations, grocery stores and restaurants. Silver is also a store of wealth but not to the degree that gold fills this role and this is precisely because silver lacks the value of gold per specified quantity.

Money IS whatever people will accept in exchange for goods and services. Today we accept paper called dollars. Were it not for government and central bank interventions and manipulations it would, it has and has continued to serve the populace quite well. It is NOT the medium of exchange that has and continues to fail us and which nearing collapse as a currency. It is ever and always government and bankster interventions, manipulations, taxation and regulations of the currency that damns it to the dustbin of history.

Bitcoin and now other cryptocurrencies along with their blockchain technologies is now flowing around and completely bypassing government interventions and bankster control and manipulations. It's money in the wild. Raw and unfettered and TOTALLY a tool of the marketplace. This IS the origin and basis of money. This is the old "which came first, the chicken or the egg?" question be clearly answered. MONEY IS the product and tool of the market. Money came long before kings and states. Money has long endured WITHOUT kings and states. Money endures periods of a complete lack of kings, states, armies and banks. Again, money is the product of the marketplace NOT of government presses and printing machines and certainly NOT of banks or the central banks.

Cryptocurrencies have recaptured the origin and basis of money, stripping political, financial and economic power from the current governments and central banks. YES! The "wild west" has returned! The banners of frredom and liberty have once again been unfurled on this earth! It's too late for governments and banksters to once again take control. They have LOST! They have been blind-sided and fully overwhelmed. Their control scheme IS toppling NOW! It is indeed beautiful and spectacular!

However, reality MUST be faced. The cryptocurrencies come fully loaded with their own weaknesses and limitations that will prevent them from achieving all that a markt based currency could and that is it's LACK of physicality and it's TOTAL dependence on "the digital world". Computers and smartphones are the physical interface with the "meatspace market". There is no paper, no stone, no metal, no tokens, absolutely NOTHING tangible. This is the Achilles Heel of cryptocurrencies. With no digital devices one cannot participate in the use of digital currencies. This is itself a wide open door for government and banksters to waltz right in and screw everything up.. In a catastrophe where electricity is NOT available to power digital devices just how can any transactions occur? Without antennas, that do have to be powered by electricity and amplifiers, just how can ANY digital transaction occur? Within the next 2 days the earth will be receiving another blast of electricity from the sun. We already know that this WILL mess with communications, electrical grids and all the other stuff vulnerable to these energy inputs from the sun. Those that modern civilization have experienced and recorded are really nothing in comparison to what the earth and humanity have experienced in our ancient past, Electrical event have quite literally shaped the earth, altered rivers, seas and oceans, made mountains and valleys. Can anyone even conceive what such events do to electrical grids? Digital devices? Of course, to us such events are mere quite remote possibilities. However, none can ever predict how much energy will flow to the earth from the sun by mean of a sunspot coronal mass ejection or, like the one that will hit the earth in the next two days, a plasma filament.

Bitcoin and the other cryptocurrencies are, at this point, very much a smart "investment", a way to genuinely increase one's wealth. However, the caveat is that you turn your profits into gold and silver as soon as possible and as often as is necessary. This along with taking some profits in the current physical currencies. This will give you funds to work with now and a great way to build and protect your actual wealth. To use an old bit of wisdom, "make hay while the sun shines". Pinning yourself to any particular currency or store of wealth at this time is NOT a smart idea if you're looking to prosper. You must take the risk and be very dynamic in how you handle your money. The dollar WILL collapse and I trust we are all well aware of how helpless and stupid governments and banks become in such situations. Cryptocurrencies are available NOW to provide an effective, albeit temporary cushion against the stupidity of governments during periods of economic chaos and hell. Think of them as the ultimate prep against the vicissitudes of the future. After all, your MREs will only last so long and the world is going to require some serious time to recover from this mess.
 

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Being Cyber Monday I'm wondering if we're going to see 10,000 today ?
Everyone is taking profits and spending on xmas stuff they probably don't need.
 

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Bitcoin was created to be decentralized store of wealth.
I'm wondering how my physicality we need ? Other than holding our pm's, of course.
The blockchain basically comes with built in efficiencies and cost savings.
Ways of using your "store of wealth" haven't even been created yet.
Of course, they probably will be digital but who says they have to be?
My Bitcoin and crypto wallets are pieces of paper with numbers.
I could walk around with my laminated paper bitcoin wallet and pay for all kinds of things.
 

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Bitcoin was created to be decentralized store of wealth.
I'm wondering how my physicality we need ? Other than holding our pm's, of course.
The blockchain basically comes with built in efficiencies and cost savings.
Ways of using your "store of wealth" haven't even been created yet.
Of course, they probably will be digital but who says they have to be?
My Bitcoin and crypto wallets are pieces of paper with numbers.
I could walk around with my laminated paper bitcoin wallet and pay for all kinds of things.
Get yourself a TenX Visa card when they become available here in the US Q1 2018.
 

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Get yourself a TenX Visa card when they become available here in the US Q1 2018.
You wonder if an inflationary feedback loop could be set up.... bitcoin convertibility becomes easier through TenX, Gyft, E-gifter and online retailers taking them directly. That drives bitcoin (and other cryptos) price up and causes an increasing amount of their market capitalization to find its way into the "real" economy chasing "real" goods and services. At some point is the effect inflationary - increasing amount of cryptos chasing goods in the "real" or "tangible" economy devaluing fiat currencies relative value down and cryptos up. I suppose $300 Billion is a drop in the bucket of $72 Trillion in world GDP but as fast as they have risen we may not be far from cryptos market cap being in the $US Trillions. Maybe Gresham's law stops that from happening but I don't think everyone on Earth is using cryptos as an investment. I think in distressed economies they are becoming an economic lifeline.
 

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One thing all those who take issue with "fiat money" should keep in mind is if they ever got their way and the gov re-instituted the gold standard, that would in fact make gold become fiat. Ie: it would become money by order of government. The very definition of fiat money.

FFS, this is now the most asinine comment you've made. It's completely laughable for you to be interjecting such idiotic nonsense. Do you not have even the slightest idea of what you're trying to talk about?

It's as if you've got blinders on and can't grasp the concept of fiat currency. The only thing you're focused on is "government decree". That's only necessary when the currency is intrinsically worthless - - such as USDs or bitcoins - - and have no other tangible use other than as a medium of exchange. It can't be redeemed or converted into anything.
 

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What currency isn’t intrinsically worthless?

Gold is a great store of value but a terrible currency. Same for silver; and I’d imagine anything with intrinsic value would inherently be limited as a currency.

The next best thing would be to have government backed certificatesFor commodities... but then they would simply print more than what they really have just like they did when our currency was supposedly backed by bullion.

All that is needed for currency is honestly. With bitcoin you can know exactly how many bitcoins exist at any given time. That’s bitcoins and any good currencys role...

Buy gold if you want to store value and hold something real.

And therein lies the problem with the entire global economic system today. Every single currency in the world - - bitcoin and all other crypto currencies included - - is intrinsically worthless. Way too simple to create and inflate.

I'd fully support a one world global currency IF - - and ONLY if - - said currency was comprised of gold silver and copper. Gold for the high value coins, ie $10k and up. Silver for the mid value coins, $100 and $50 and copper for everything below that.

"Honesty" will never ever happen as long as there's an opportunity personal gain involved with being deceitful.
 

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Get yourself a TenX Visa card when they become available here in the US Q1 2018.
You can get a bitpay visa in the US today.