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what is the battery for that and how many charging cycles is it rated for?
Another question?
What is the average lifespan of one of those units?
Would be great to have, but if you just put it in the garage... keep it charged up for emergency.
How long does the internal battery last before you have to replace??? OR buy another $1000 portable power supply?

As you can tell from the question, I know very little about the subject.
Love to learn more.
I recently received a jackery 290 and tried to charge it from my portable solar panel.
Something wasn't right with my setup and I eventually just charged the jackery with the house AC outlet.

Would like to get a stand alone solar setup for emergencies where I could recharge things and run some stuff off the sun.
 

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Another question?
What is the average lifespan of one of those units?
Would be great to have, but if you just put it in the garage... keep it charged up for emergency.
How long does the internal battery last before you have to replace??? OR buy another $1000 portable power supply?

As you can tell from the question, I know very little about the subject.
Love to learn more.
I recently received a jackery 290 and tried to charge it from my portable solar panel.
Something wasn't right with my setup and I eventually just charged the jackery with the house AC outlet.

Would like to get a stand alone solar setup for emergencies where I could recharge things and run some stuff off the sun.


LiFePO4 batteries should not be stored at 100% charged state.

Around 50% is the target. They lose around 3% per month, so many people will charge to 60% and wait until battery is at 40% State of Charge (SOC) to recharge back to 60%. So around every 6 months, charge.

That is for storage.

If you are using them, then up to full charge, but they will last longer if you don’t let them drain down to zero. That is what they call a cycle. Grade A LifePO4 batteries can last up to 7-8000 cycles. So for many people, the age of batteries will be more of a factor than cycles. Theoretically, they could last over 20 years in the right environment. (Dry, mild temperatures).

If you have the capacity, no lower than 40% before recharge. But if you must, 20% is a good cut off.
 

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what is the battery for that and how many charging cycles is it rated for?
Lithium Ion batteries - 800 complete cycles to 80% (~1008 watts output)
 

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Another question?
What is the average lifespan of one of those units?
Would be great to have, but if you just put it in the garage... keep it charged up for emergency.
How long does the internal battery last before you have to replace??? OR buy another $1000 portable power supply?

As you can tell from the question, I know very little about the subject.
Love to learn more.
I recently received a jackery 290 and tried to charge it from my portable solar panel.
Something wasn't right with my setup and I eventually just charged the jackery with the house AC outlet.

Would like to get a stand alone solar setup for emergencies where I could recharge things and run some stuff off the sun.

Ecoflow states their batteries will stay fully charged for 1 year and recommends you discharge them to 30% for longer term storage. If you keep them connected to panels and use them regularly they should last for years.
 

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what is the battery for that and how many charging cycles is it rated for?
Hi Thecrensh,

Here is a video from YouTube that addresses that issue at the beginning couple minutes of the video. I don't know for sure if the unit being compared to the Pro unit is the same as SilverCity's, but this is the video (along with a couple of others posed above) that caused my wife and I to go whole-hog and buy the EcoFlow Pro unit.

 

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I've got a box fan hooked up to the jackery 290 right now.
I charged the jackery a month back and was going to try it out mining, but it been crazy here and too hot.
I pulled it out of the box and it was still at 100% charge.
Was reading about not keeping it at 100% charge so I'll see what the box fan draws till we're off the peak hours of electric service... about another hour or so.

If I can do the when I come home and save on electric? ( recharge the jackery with solar) when needed?
That's a good start to doing some sort of off grid solar setup.
 
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Ecoflow states their batteries will stay fully charged for 1 year and recommends you discharge them to 30% for longer term storage. If you keep them connected to panels and use them regularly they should last for years.
Hi Silver,

Can you give a link to that reference? I was reading on the DIY Solar Forum that it is not recommended to keep the batteries at full charge because it somehow degrades the batteries to keep them fully charged. So, either I'm missing something, or the two sources of information are in conflict. Let me see if I can find that reference...

Ah!...Found it... here it is (admittedly it is just someone who said he heard something from EcoFlow. But if anyone could flesh this out a bit better, I would sure appreciate it. I planned to use my unit the same way the fellow in the link below was planning--i.e. charge it up and store it for emergencies. Here is the link to the post on the DIY Solar Forum...

 

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I've got a box fan hooked up to the jackery 290 right now.
I charged the jackery a month back and was going to try it out mining, but it been crazy here and too hot.
I pulled it out of the box and it was still at 100% charge.
Was reading about not keeping it at 100% charge so I'll see what the box fan draws till we're off the peak hours of electric service... about another hour or so.

If I can do the when I come home and save on electric ( recharge the jackery with solar when needed?
That's a good start to doing some sort of off grid solar setup.
Sounds like a lot of people are researching the same thing, rte! I've been researching solar panels, too, because if I can't keep it full, I'm going to have to have a couple of sources of power to charge the battery up other than from the grid. We currently have a 3000 watt propane generator, but during the last outage it took forever to find propane (our container leaks over time). Plus running cords from outside to inside in the middle of the night and disturbing the neighbors with the noise of a generator seemed like bad behavior.

Initially all my wife and I wanted to do was protect the food in our refrigerator and freezer, now this sounds like it's going to be a new hobby. Interesting, yes, but I really don't need another time sink right now.

Having like minded people here and elsewhere share their research is a great help in optimizing my research time. Thanks to everyone for all the information you've posted on this thread.

.......Willie
 
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Solar panels, unless you have a specific use and evidence it will work...are in most cases a waste of money.

They wear out. And they cost. And not enough to recover the cost of buying, installing, maintaining, removing, replacing them.

Of course if Uncle Sugar is picking up the tab...that's a little different. Insane, but different.
 

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Solar panels, unless you have a specific use and evidence it will work...are in most cases a waste of money.

They wear out. And they cost. And not enough to recover the cost of buying, installing, maintaining, removing, replacing them.

Of course if Uncle Sugar is picking up the tab...that's a little different. Insane, but different.
You know, we pay them (expletive deleted) enough that getting a little back seems reasonable. Besides, I have a specific use--keeping my fridge/freezer from thawing out and ruining the food.

I admit this is getting out of hand a bit.

.......Willie
 

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You know, we pay them (expletive deleted) enough that getting a little back seems reasonable. Besides, I have a specific use--keeping my fridge/freezer from thawing out and ruining the food.

I admit this is getting out of hand a bit.

.......Willie
I agree, if the sugar tit is there, grab it and suck.

But I'm just saying, on a pure payout/return basis, it probably won't pay.

If the government is giving it to you...sure, get in line. You don't stop this criminality by becoming A-Superior-Person and refusing. You can make intelligent choices at the ballot box, even as you avail yourself of the stupidity of the criminals who are in, presently.
 

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Solar panels, unless you have a specific use and evidence it will work...are in most cases a waste of money.

They wear out. And they cost. And not enough to recover the cost of buying, installing, maintaining, removing, replacing them.

Of course if Uncle Sugar is picking up the tab...that's a little different. Insane, but different.

It depends. Every State and utility company is different as far as selling back to the grid. But a typical system of 15kW is around 35 panels and RSD units. That can be had for ~$10,000. Now depending on your roof, racking another $4,000.

Wiring and an inverter, $8000.

If you can’t DIY, then labor? I’ll be generous, $5,000. Permits and inspection, $600. (Less for DIY).

So, let’s say $28,000.

Federal tax credit is 26%. So final cost around $21,000.

Don’t want to pay cash, take out a loan. For a no money down, I’ll use 7% (that is current, obviously it looks like loan rates will be increasing).

So for around $190/month, system will be paid off in 15 years. Again, depending on you energy company, you could drastically reduce or eliminate your electric bill. And after 15 year, beside not paying for electricity (or not much) there are no more loan payments. And electric rates increase, probably a lot with how things are going. So every year, the system becomes more and more valuable.

Panels lose around .5% per year, so in 30 years they are still producing ~80%. Want more power? Just add a few panels.

Biggest weak spot in my example is the inverter, obviouly a big expense if that fails after warranty. So for a little more upfront cost, many people are installing micro inverters on the panels instead of one or two large ones, that way if one fails, it is cheap to replace.

EDIT: This guy is in San Diego, so lot’s of sun and high electric cost, so it is probably a longer ROI in most other markets, but:

 
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Solar panels will last 25 years albeit at reduced capacity, but they are the CHEAPEST component of the system. I paid over 300 dollars for single 102w Evergreen from Affordable solar many years ago now they are 100 dollars apiece, smaller and MUCH lighter. (Anyone think they will still be alive in 25 years? I won't be.) $17,000 for all 18 100w panels, 2 EcoFlow 2000w batteries with 1 additional 1600w smart battery and of course the 1260w battery.

Battery Info Cell Chemistry Shelf Life Cycle Life-Delta 1300 NCM 1 year (after a full charge) 800 cycles to 80%+ capacity AC (x6)-Delta 1300 AC (x6)-Delta 1000 Pure Sine Wave, 1800W total (surge 3300W), 120V~ 60Hz Pure Sine Wave, 1600W total (surge 3100W), 120V~ 60Hz Environmental Operating Temperature Optimal Operating Temperature Discharge Temperature Charge Temperature Storage Temperature * Whether the product can be charged or discharged depends on the actual temperature of the battery pack. 68°F to 86°F -4°F to 113°F 32°F to 113°F -4°F to 113°F(optimal: 68°F to 86°F) Protection Cycle Life-Delta 1000 500 cycles to 80%+ capacity Over Voltage Protection, Overload Protection, Over Temperature Protection, Short Circuit Protection, Low Temperature Protection, Low Voltage Protection,


BTW, I AM NOT TALKING LIMITED USAGE, I AM TALKING PERMANENT GRID DOWN FOLLOWING LIMITED NUCLEAR ATTACKS, PERMANENT GRID DOWN, (AND THEY ARE COMING) FOLLOWED BY CHINESE OCCUPATION. NO SHIT. ANYONE IS WHO DOESN'T BELIEVE THIS IS BEING VERY FOOLISH, VERY NAIVE.


I recently bought panels that are bifacial as I live around 45 N latitude. Rated 460W with up to 25% increase from back side, so potential 575W (I know, will never see that much).

Cost per panel with RSD/Optimizer is $330 minus 26% Fed. Tax Credit = $244
 

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I recently bought panels that are bifacial as I live around 45 N latitude. Rated 460W with up to 25% increase from back side, so potential 575W (I know, will never see that much).

Cost per panel with RSD/Optimizer is $330 minus 26% Fed. Tax Credit = $244
That sounds like a deal. I tried to research units like those, but couldn't find them. We're at about Latitude 47 N (Seattle area), but where we plan to put our units wouldn't support dual side panels.

What we need currently are some that can be set up temporarily to test the efficiency of our power unit. (The Eco Flow Delta Pro that's on its way to us.) That will start us on our learning curve. We have a house that frequently has some pretty harsh weather on the sunny SW side--mostly rain and wind. Almost all of the outages happen in those kinds of conditions.

So we need some pretty sturdy and bulletproof panels that ideally could be set up quickly using some sort of prop in the back to face the sun, and could also be held down with sandbags or bricks or something so they don't blow away or get damaged. Think of the weather of the deck of a cruise ship and you will be pretty close to the weather on our deck where we plan to place these for the afternoon sun. (Later we will install panels on a roof we plan to build over that deck, but it might be a year or two before that happens--meanwhile we will do some testing with various portable (and maybe some not-so-portable) solar panels.

I've seen some of these panels that are mounted on motorhomes, and they go down the road 70 mph in the pouring rain, so I know some exist that are weatherproof. If I have to build the kickstand myself, I could do that.

Any suggestions from anywhere would be highly welcome. Thanks in advance to anybody who posts some.

........Willie
 

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Yeah, he looks like the real deal. You don't get that many views and subscribers on YouTube unless you are doing something right--REALLY right in this case.

Thought this might interest you, a little about his background.

 

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Thought this might interest you, a little about his background.

Thanks yet again Viking. I watched that video, and it was very enlightening. We have a "Class B" Motorhome we bought in 2013. It is a bit fancier than what Will was living in most of the time. His stuff might have been a bit larger--other than his VW Vanagon, but ours isn't run down for the most part. I have lived in the thing like two weeks max, but I've done that a lot of times, and it really sucks. Usually, however, we will drive somewhere like San Diego, San Francisco, the Canadian Rockies, Las Vegas, etc. for a conference, stay at the host hotel during the conference, and then hightail it back home--usually about 3 weeks total max. My longest was to Indianapolis, IN (from Seattle) and back. with a 5 day conference in the middle.

The bottom line is that while I've never HAD to live in a van, I can extrapolate from my wife's and my experiences and know what he went through, and believe me, he is a survivor.

BTW, the EcoFlow Pro unit has arrived, but we haven't opened it up yet. It looks like it was bounced here, so we want to document the unboxing with a video in case there is a problem. We don't want any blowback from the companies involved.
 

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BTW, the EcoFlow Pro unit has arrived, but we haven't opened it up yet. It looks like it was bounced here, so we want to document the unboxing with a video in case there is a problem. We don't want any blowback from the companies involved.

Sounds like a standard UPS delivery.
I'd like to see your results.
I'm looking at doing something similar.
Small off grid solar setup to offset peak energy hours.
 

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I'd get this

Honda Power Equipment EU3000IS1AN 3000W 120V Portable Home Gas Power Generator​

$2,499.00

I'd want it to be gas and propane swapable
There seems to be alot on Utube on comparing Harbor Freight with Honda: Just Sayin'
 

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They are predicting rolling blackouts in Indiana, yet I still see windmills setting idle and not spinning.
Cen. Ky. we are blessed with a lot of Hydro-Electric power. Not an issue here . Maybe in late August Drought & high heat conditions. Usually a dim out / blackout and right back on within a minute.
 

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Cen. Ky. we are blessed with a lot of Hydro-Electric power. Not an issue here . Maybe in late August Drought & high heat conditions. Usually a dim out / blackout and right back on within a minute.
The collapse of the Grid won't be a passive event. And the Woketards are truly deranged.

They're burning down slaughterhouses and poisoning beef cattle, now. How much further is it to bomb a dam? Or many dams?

They really believe in Greta.
 

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Hi Thecrensh,

Here is a video from YouTube that addresses that issue at the beginning couple minutes of the video. I don't know for sure if the unit being compared to the Pro unit is the same as SilverCity's, but this is the video (along with a couple of others posed above) that caused my wife and I to go whole-hog and buy the EcoFlow Pro unit.

Interesting video...thank you for linking that. It gave me pause for getting the Jackery 1500. I'm rethinking everything now.
 

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The collapse of the Grid won't be a passive event. And the Woketards are truly deranged.

They're burning down slaughterhouses and poisoning beef cattle, now. How much further is it to bomb a dam? Or many dams?

They really believe in Greta.
Seems they're getting braver.

Derailed a loaded coal train in Kansas.


For those who don't know...derailing a train is not easy. A loaded train has inertia and stability - the guys who trained me, came from the (bankrupt) Penn Central. They spoke of two-inch gaps in the mainline rail, from where edges at joints had broken. Pour the power on, to prevent slack action, and the train would just bounce over. Live to fight another day.

This must have been some undertaking. Pulling a rail out, or an IED, or some sort of wedge along the rail to walk cars off the tracks. PLUS...once it starts coming off, you don't know where it's going to go or how far. You can't be totally sure there's nothing explosive in the train, 20 cars back, unless you've scanned it. You don't know where it'll pile up, where the lading will go, or what's coming in the other direction on the opposite track.

All this to do an Antifa-style electricity-curtailment. Or, more likely, to get the Good FeeellllLLLLZ from thinking you're "stopping climate change" by interrupting coal shipments.

It'll use much more fossil fuels cleaning this mess up. And the cost will be reflected in shipping rates...paid by all.
 

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So convenient happening so close to a roadway too. Quick IN, Quick OUT.
 

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Sounds like a standard UPS delivery.
I'd like to see your results.
I'm looking at doing something similar.
Small off grid solar setup to offset peak energy hours.
It was FedEx. The delivery driver didn't put in on our porch, he opted to put it in our front driveway behind a pillar but under a Trex deck above. In case you don't know, a Trex Deck is created by laying down trex plastic lumber with 6 mm or about 1/4" of spacing between each of the boards to allow the rain to dribble through. So instead of putting it on a dry covered porch, he put it where it would be rained on, and in addition he put it upside down, backwards of the delivery instructions of the arrow on the box! I'm a bit upset.

I'll try to report here once I start my experiments with the unit. We don't have peak hour billing here. We recently had smart meters installed in our city by Seattle City Light, though, so we are set up for that type of thing.

I'll try to keep things updated as I test it.

.....Willie
 

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I have a jackery 290.
I ran it down to 45% and was going to recharge it with a harbor freight suitcase type solar panel.
I did it once before at 87% and it worked to recharge quickly in a matter of a few hours.
The last time out was Saturday morning at around 10am.
It was only charging at 2w.
Used The supplied jackery power charge cable for cigarette adapter, hooked to the solar output.
12volt setting was giving 22volts at 2w or 1w.

Noticed sometimes it was at 0w charge?
The spring loaded end on the jackery cable wasn't spring loaded like before.
I pulled it apart figuring it was broken and I'd cut the end of for a different connection.

Managed to get it fixed and now spring loaded again.
Hooked it up to the power pack today at 4:30pm and it was charging at 2w.

As the sun started to set 1w and then 0w.
The stored power stayed at 45% this time... didn't change or charge anything.
(ASSUMING Not enough time in the good sun)

Totally New to the solar thing.
I'm ASSUMING that I'll need 400watts of solar panels to charge more quickly?

Here is what I found
This 100 watt suitcase from what I read is only a 13watt charger.
Had in my mind it was a 100watt ?
Hmmm,
Shouldn't it still charge the power pack at 13 watts an hour?
Or is that 13 watts a day?

Anyone got some YouTube recommendations?
I clearly don't get this yet.

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I have a jackery 290.
I ran it down to 45% and was going to recharge it with a harbor freight suitcase type solar panel.
I did it once before at 87% and it worked to recharge quickly in a matter of a few hours.
The last time out was Saturday morning at around 10am.
It was only charging at 2w.
Used The supplied jackery power charge cable for cigarette adapter, hooked to the solar output.
12volt setting was giving 22volts at 2w or 1w.

Noticed sometimes it was at 0w charge?
The spring loaded end on the jackery cable wasn't spring loaded like before.
I pulled it apart figuring it was broken and I'd cut the end of for a different connection.

Managed to get it fixed and now spring loaded again.
Hooked it up to the power pack today at 4:30pm and it was charging at 2w.

As the sun started to set 1w and then 0w.
The stored power stayed at 45% this time... didn't change or charge anything.
(ASSUMING Not enough time in the good sun)

Totally New to the solar thing.
I'm ASSUMING that I'll need 400watts of solar panels to charge more quickly?

Here is what I found
This 100 watt suitcase from what I read is only a 13watt charger.
Had in my mind it was a 100watt ?
Hmmm,
Shouldn't it still charge the power pack at 13 watts an hour?
Or is that 13 watts a day?

Anyone got some YouTube recommendations?
I clearly don't get this yet.

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If you are trying to recharge anything with a 13 watt solar panel, you will probably be displeased. I think units of that size are more for charging your phone something small like that. I may not understand it completely, and I'm fully ready to be corrected, but if I do understand it correctly...

In order to get enough current to store to power a 100 watt light bulb for one hour, you would need to have a 13 watt panel running at peak--that is with perfect sun at the perfect angle--for about 8 hours. You usually won't get perfect sun or perfect anything.

I saw a video where a fellow was trying to keep his refrigerator running continuously with a EcoFlow Delta using 400 watts of solar--that is about 30 times what you have and it didn't work--he almost made it two days, but not quite.

We have ordered a 160 watt panel (13 times the size of yours) and we paid $300 and thought we were paying too much. (We got it because it matches our new EcoFlow Pro unit.)

Here is that video:

BTW: I think that Harbor Freight sells 100 watt panels for right around $100, and sometimes less due to a coupon deal. I think the unit you posted the coupon to is some sort of special use panel.

Again, I'm not sure about all of this myself. I hope others will chime in and correct what I've written, or validate what I've written. And, thanks in advance to anyone who does that.

.........Willie
 
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If you are trying to recharge anything with a 13 watt solar panel, you will probably be displeased. I think units of that size are more for charging your phone something small like that. I may not understand it completely, and I'm fully ready to be corrected, but if I do understand it correctly...

In order to get enough current to store to power a 100 watt light bulb for one hour, you would need to have a 13 watt panel running at peak--that is with perfect sun at the perfect angle--for about 8 hours. You usually won't get perfect sun or perfect anything.

I saw a video where a fellow was trying to keep his refrigerator running continuously with a EcoFlow Delta using 400 watts of solar--that is about 30 times what you have and it didn't work--he almost made it two days, but not quite.

We have ordered a 160 watt panel (13 times the size of yours) and we paid $300 and thought we were paying too much. (We got it because it matches our new EcoFlow Pro unit.)

Here is that video:

BTW: I think that Harbor Freight sells 100 watt panels for right around $100, and sometimes less due to a coupon deal. I think the unit you posted the coupon to is some sort of special use panel.

Again, I'm not sure about all of this myself. I hope others will chime in and correct what I've written, or validate what I've written. And, thanks in advance to anyone who does that.

.........Willie
From what I gathered so far, yes this 13watt panel is almost better than nothing.
It was bought for the convince of the suitcase design and thinking it would charge a battery out mining.

Home Depot has some renergy 100 watt on sale.
I may pick up one or two and give it a shot.
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Might want to investigate buying used panels.

Here is one such store:


Obviously, try to find something close by unless you are buying a lot, as shipping may negate any savings.
 

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Update:

So somehow my wife and I got our connections crossed and instead of one of us ordering one of these things (EcoFlow Delta Pro) we EACH ordered one. Since we got them from Costco, we knew we could take the extra back so we didn't fret about it.

Somehow, both orders got mushed into one delivery--a total of 6 pieces--the two main units at about 105-110 lbs each, and two little items you get with each order as "bonus items" you get for ordering from Costco. In this case there were four little envelopes containing (I presume, since I haven't opened them up yet) a remote control for each unit, and a special connector/adapter for charging up the units at an EV (electric vehicle) station.

As mentioned earlier, the delivery was far from adequate. Here's what happened:

I noticed that the Fed Ex truck was parked in front of our house. Then I noticed that that four little envelopes appeared on the table next to our front door. (Our front door is up a sloped walkway from our garage that faces the street on an adjacent side of the house.) I waited for the large boxes to appear and to have to sign for the shipment. And, I waited. Finally, I went down our inside stairs to the garage and opened the garage door to see the driver putting one of the boxes behind a pillar in front of our garage.

I told him that where he put them wasn't appropriate and we needed the package at the front door. He said he couldn't carry the package to the front door because it was too heavy. "Don't you have a hand truck?" I asked, and I told him "there's a ramp up to the porch." He said they didn't always carry one. (Note: He DIDN'T say he didn't have one.) As I was examining damage on the corrugated cardboard on the first box, I watched in horror as he kind of dropped the other box off the end of the truck and shoved it upside down over by me. I started examining the damage on the second box, and verified that it was, indeed, upside down according to the "this side up" marking on the box. He walked back to close the back door to his cube van and, I presumed, to get the paperwork for me to sign after we moved the boxes to the front of the house. Instead, he jumped in his truck and sped away! Then it started to drizzle. My wife (64 years old) came out, and we hurried to get the boxes right side up and up the ramp to our porch and then inside the house.

Somehow we managed to get everything up to the dry porch before the rain started.

That was Friday, a week before yesterday. The boxes looked so bad that I planned to open them while taking a video in case there was damage. I couldn't do it sooner because the next day I developed a crick in my neck that didn't allow me to turn my head. A crick that was possibly caused by trying to muscle around the two heavy boxes. So, two days ago, on Thursday, my wife and I opened what appeared to be the more scraped up of the two boxes. To our surprise, the item inside didn't look damaged because they pack them pretty well at EcoFlow. That night I read the manual. Yesterday (Friday 6-25-22) I finally turned the unit on--it had a 30% charge. Then turned it back off and attached the power cord. When I plugged the power cord into the wall socket, the unit turned itself on and started charging itself. I had set it to charge at "low level" 400 watts maximum. It charged to 100% in about 8 hours. Then I unplugged it, turned it off, and went to sleep. When I woke up, the unit was still at 100% and I plugged our refrigerator into it and have been running our refrigerator (14 year old refrigerator, btw) solely off the EcoFlow Delta Pro with no other load on it. It has been running the refrigerator for about 7 hours now, and it is currently showing a 79% charge. If my math and the reading are correct, it sounds like it should continue to power the refrigerator for a total of about 34 hours.

I'll write again later. I've written enough for tonight. (Probably too much.)

If you made it this far, thanks for reading.

......Willie
 

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Additional update:

I finished the test of the first EcoFlow Delta Pro, and it ran our 14 year old refrigerator for 30 hours and still had 10% power when I shut it down.

We've opened the second unit and there doesn't appear to be any damage on it, either. One adapter part was missing from the package. It is currently charging and is nearly full.

Fed Ex called back about my complaint regarding how the shipment of the two units was delivered. They apologized for the way my order was delivered and said that it should have been delivered to our front door.

They were surprised that the shipper, EcoFlow would ship nearly $7K worth of product without requiring a signature. I was told that had the merchandise been stolen, that the shipper would have to cover it somehow.

As far as EcoFlow's products go, they are very nice, but they are also very expensive.

According to Will the owner of DIY Solar Forum, they are the best thing on the market for Plug and Play units, but they are limited for some applications and there are a lot of more cost efficient DIY units if one is willing to learn a bit and spend a little time building something themselves.

Here is a video about that subject:


So, that's it for now.
 

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I see the EcoFlow Delta Pro has a 24 month warranty.
You must keep All the original packaging according to the warranty paperwork.
A person needs a seperate shed for all that stuff.
 

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I see the EcoFlow Delta Pro has a 24 month warranty.
You must keep All the original packaging according to the warranty paperwork.
A person needs a seperate shed for all that stuff.
Yep, I just read that today in one of the user's manuals. It seemed a bit odd, all things considered. But, the main unit's box is well designed to minimize damage.

And you are right, the boxes are BIG.
 

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Yep, I just read that today in one of the user's manuals. It seemed a bit odd, all things considered. But, the main unit's box is well designed to minimize damage.

And you are right, the boxes are BIG.

That got me scratching my head. So I called them. No. As long as it is well packed, you can use your own container.
 

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That got me scratching my head. So I called them. No. As long as it is well packed, you can use your own container.
UPS customer service told me on a damage claim that my over packed package was not in an appropriate or approved box so they refused my damage claim.

They also stated when I called to talk to a live person, to keep in mind their system is all automated and things happen when no one is around.

In my case the package had some glass HEAVILY marked with fragile stickers.

UPS claims department said maybe some other packages fell on it while switching conveyer belts.
 

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Additional update:

I finished the test of the first EcoFlow Delta Pro, and it ran our 14 year old refrigerator for 30 hours and still had 10% power when I shut it down.

We've opened the second unit and there doesn't appear to be any damage on it, either. One adapter part was missing from the package. It is currently charging and is nearly full.

Fed Ex called back about my complaint regarding how the shipment of the two units was delivered. They apologized for the way my order was delivered and said that it should have been delivered to our front door.

They were surprised that the shipper, EcoFlow would ship nearly $7K worth of product without requiring a signature. I was told that had the merchandise been stolen, that the shipper would have to cover it somehow.

As far as EcoFlow's products go, they are very nice, but they are also very expensive.

According to Will the owner of DIY Solar Forum, they are the best thing on the market for Plug and Play units, but they are limited for some applications and there are a lot of more cost efficient DIY units if one is willing to learn a bit and spend a little time building something themselves.

Here is a video about that subject:


So, that's it for now.
That guy in the video has some good things to say about Bluetti as well. I was really locked in on a Jackery 1600 with 4 panels but now am reconsidering based on the battery charge cycles of the Bluetti and EcoFlow. This is why I'm really slow at making a major purchase...but I think that's a good thing.
 

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...i read all of these posts, reminding me of my excitement back in 2007 when i put together my home-solar system


i learned a lot and the first thing i learned was: They're Lying To Us


as a hobby, solar energy is a lot of fun, numbers to play with, everywhere

as a system to run our country off of? let me put it this way: if we treated solar systems like we treat driving, we'd have training classes we'd be able to attend, information and systems would be standardized and plug/play systems would be the normal

but here we've got a bunch of very high IQ people and i'm simply reminded about my excitement and ignorance that led me to spend hard earned money on a system, thinking it would work as 'advertised' while in reality, i ended up with a system that taught me to no longer believe anything about solar advertising ever again


for instance:
Don't Store a Fully Charged Battery, yet, i read these lithium batteries lose a bit of their charge over time, so, in a week, these batteries will no longer be in a Fully Charged State...can i store them then?

Run Times down to 10% battery charge left: I've read, lithium batteries don't like to go below a 20% state of charge yet these machines are clearly telling the consumer they're down to 10% battery charge left...so, which is it?

Lithium batteries are expected to last between 5 - 7 years, regardless of use, even a stored battery, they're predicting will eventually crap out at about 7 years they say

and the panel outputs? what do we have: 12v, 24v, 48v, 96v...and so on, systems aren't even matched across vendors but if you spec it right, you can find the parts to make it work...yet the efficiency makes me believe it's all a lie


...and i live in So Cal


Caveat Emptor, you can end up with more electronics you can't use than Carter's Got Pills and a large hole where you're fiat used to be


...they love that when we do that, go into debt, pay them and receive little / nothing in return

it helps their bottom line

be careful
 

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Welcome to reality, Buck.

When you have a bubbly, glassy-eyed, pencil-necked Post-Millennial babbling on about how "awesome" is (solar power, TSLA, windmills, free healthcare, etc, etc) your Bullshit Detector should be switched to High Alert.

I'd like to believe that solar panels are magical things; but I heard much the same claims forty years ago, coming from Jimmuh Peanut's mouth. Synthetic Fuels were going to solve everything - we just needed to pour MOAR MONEY into them!

And the small windmills and solar panels of the time, were all money wasted. Tax credit, sure...but a tax credit on wasted money, still represents wasted money.

Now I'm old, and conservative, and VERY cynical. SHOW ME THE PERFORMANCE. And WITHOUT having to devote 28 hours a day, "managing" my power usage.
 

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Welcome to reality, Buck.

When you have a bubbly, glassy-eyed, pencil-necked Post-Millennial babbling on about how "awesome" is (solar power, TSLA, windmills, free healthcare, etc, etc) your Bullshit Detector should be switched to High Alert.

I'd like to believe that solar panels are magical things; but I heard much the same claims forty years ago, coming from Jimmuh Peanut's mouth. Synthetic Fuels were going to solve everything - we just needed to pour MOAR MONEY into them!

And the small windmills and solar panels of the time, were all money wasted. Tax credit, sure...but a tax credit on wasted money, still represents wasted money.

Now I'm old, and conservative, and VERY cynical. SHOW ME THE PERFORMANCE. And WITHOUT having to devote 28 hours a day, "managing" my power usage.
My only concern for a solar "generator" is when the power grid starts to have rolling blackouts I want to be able to keep my freezer going as well as some other smaller items such as a swamp cooler for my living area (since the HVAC won't be able to work).

Plus, I live in hurricane zones and if we get a good one and power is out for a week I want to be able to keep frozen stuff cold and run other small items as well.
 

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I've considered getting a little solar "generator" for just the basics (light, charging batteries,etc.), but wondered how their own circuitry would hold up against an EMP??? That might be just the time I needed the thing. Anyone here have any knowledge on the subject?
 

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My only concern for a solar "generator" is when the power grid starts to have rolling blackouts I want to be able to keep my freezer going as well as some other smaller items such as a swamp cooler for my living area (since the HVAC won't be able to work).

Plus, I live in hurricane zones and if we get a good one and power is out for a week I want to be able to keep frozen stuff cold and run other small items as well.

EXACTLY, a small backup plan that doesn't break the bank.
I don't know if I'm looking in the right directions, but so far the whole house systems cost as much as the electricity I'm using at this time.

Swapping one payment for another over 20? Years.
Don't even know where I will be in 20 years.

That being said I WANT an off grid setup same as you to keep a fridge going as well as some other smaller items such as a swamp cooler for my living area.
And to be done as cost efficient as possible to last as long as possible.