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Toyota's ALL NEW Hydrogen Engine SHOCKS The Entire Car Industry!​

 

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This is interesting.

The Lightyear 0 Is The Game-Changer We've Been Waiting For



In a long-awaited UK exclusive, Jack drives the virtually production-ready Lightyear 0 - a vehicle like no other. Adorned by 5 square metres of Solar panels and boasting a hyper-efficient powertrain, could this remarkable EV trigger a much needed rethink in how we design electric cars?

00:00 A very Spanish intro
2:10 What is it?
5:06 Stat attack
7:43 First drive
10:00 Why does efficiency matter?
11:02 We almost got arrested
12:30 The REAL efficiency figure
13:01 How they did it
14:20 The party trick
16:20 The longest coast
17:22 More efficiency tricks
19:01 Concluding thoughts
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Whatever burns, does in fact recombine. If you break water and collect the now loose H & O into a container and then make a spark inside that container, the H & O will in fact recombine into the same amount of water you started with.
yep, perpetual motion is real too

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here, i'm putting together a team, she's a good fit...i believe we'll be able to separate those bound molecules and set them free by the hundreds of gallons per hour in a few more days

perhaps in a short time i can light a doobie and it'll all recombine and give us some much needed rain here in dry southern california where it's more valuable to run our cars than it is to feed the children, er, water our plants...yeah, that's the ticket, i can get all the water i need from Nestle's and their infamous plastic bottles

(i wonder if i begin now, will any of my bottles i'll toss into lakes streams and rivers ever end up in the middle of the pacific...or maybe...it'll hit a dry patch and remain stranded for a century or more and future people will find it and say: How Did They Make That...but it won't be from the aliens, it'll be from Nestle and our use of water as a motor vehicle fuel)

:ponder:

locally, though, we're scaling the operation now...

and i'm being hailed now by one of my assistants...gotta go

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simply remove the sides and whenever that happens, the entire buss will be an exit


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but i believe i'm repeating myself

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This is what gets me. I know of no regulations for parking/charging an EV in your attached garage. But if you have storage lithium batteries, yep, many jurisdictions have codes you must follow.

Most EVs use the NCM batteries, whereas home storage batteries are becoming mostly LFP batteries, which are much safer. In addition, storage batteries are in a constant temperature and vibration free environment.
 

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This is what gets me. I know of no regulations for parking/charging an EV in your attached garage. But if you have storage lithium batteries, yep, many jurisdictions have codes you must follow.

Most EVs use the NCM batteries, whereas home storage batteries are becoming mostly LFP batteries, which are much safer. In addition, storage batteries are in a constant temperature and vibration free environment.
Insurance companies charge extra for a fire place and or wood burning stove....... You know EV insurance will a factor. So the EV insurance costs will go up becasue they are more expensive & nothing left to repair......... and take out another car & part of your house....... if you live through it.
 

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I know of no regulations for parking/charging an EV in your attached garage.
I recently ran into something similar in the political, not technical, sense. I've been trying to decipher NEC article 840 to run a buried ethernet line. It has all sorts of details, then at the end has an exception that says utilities can do anything they want to.
 

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EV Maker Lucid Cuts Production Outlook in Half​

Luxury sedan maker cites supply-chain and logistical challenges as well as internal bottlenecks​

Rivian, Lucid, Lordstown, Canoo, Fisker: EV Startups’ Fight to Survive
Rivian, Lucid, Lordstown, Canoo, Fisker: EV Startups’ Fight to Survive

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Electric-vehicle startups such as Lucid, Fisker, Canoo and Lordstown are having to adjust to the realities of making vehicles in a harsh economy. WSJ’s George Downs explains some of the challenges they are facing and why some even risk going out of business. Photo composite: George Downs
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Electric-vehicle maker Lucid Group Inc. LCID -9.73%▼ said it expected to make half as many cars as previously forecast this year, citing supply-chain and logistical challenges that have troubled the wider auto industry as well as the company’s own problems.
The California-based company on Wednesday slashed its 2022 production target for the second time this year. Lucid now projects making between 6,000 and 7,000 vehicles. It first lowered a previous estimate of 20,000 vehicles to between 12,000 and 14,000 in February.
“This quarter has proven to be a very challenging period, and whilst we have experienced supply chain and logistics challenges along with the entire industry, the limitations of our logistics systems have compounded the challenge,” Chief Executive Peter Rawlinson said.
He said supply-chain issues and infrastructure upgrades contributed to two-and-a-half weeks in which the company had no daily production at its Arizona factory. He said the company had identified internal bottlenecks and was working to alleviate them.

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Shares of Lucid fell nearly 13% in premarket trading Thursday. Before the updated guidance, the stock had fallen 46% in 2022.
Lucid and other EV makers have faced increasing competition, rising prices and supply logjams. A wave of battery-powered vehicles, from startups including Vietnam’s VinFast to giants such as Toyota Motor Corp. and Volkswagen AG, are scheduled to hit showrooms in coming months. A quickly growing pool of consumers want to buy them, analysts and car makers say.
The challenge is turning a profit. Costs are rising for key components of EVs, including steel for vehicle bodies and lithium for batteries. And the global semiconductor shortage has resulted in factories running at less than full capacity while they await deliveries of computer chips.
Lucid said in May that it would raise the price of its sole vehicle, the Air sedan, to $87,000, citing rising raw material costs.
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Lucid, which makes the electric Air sedan, said its quarterly loss narrowed to $220 million despite the rising cost of supplies.PHOTO: RICHARD B. LEVINE/ZUMA PRESS
For the quarter ended in June, Lucid’s loss narrowed to $220 million from $261 million a year earlier, despite rising expenses. Lucid said it delivered 679 vehicles to customers during the quarter, compared with 360 vehicles in the first quarter.
With investor appetite for nascent EV companies waning, these businesses are conserving cash. Electric pickup truck and SUV maker Rivian Automotive Inc., laid off 6% of its workforce last week, saying it wanted to ensure it can hit its production targets without raising more cash.
Lucid said it had $4.6 billion in cash on hand, compared with $5.4 billion as of March 31, which the company said would allow the company to continue operations into 2023. Revenue for the quarter grew to $97 million, from $174,000 a year earlier.

Lucid faces a bevy of competitors from luxury car makers including Mercedes-Benz and Tesla Inc.
Another rival, Fisker Inc., said Wednesday that its second-quarter net loss rose to $106 million, compared with $46 million last year. Fisker said it has more than $850 million in cash and equivalents on hand, down from $1.2 billion at the start of the year.
Fisker plans to begin producing its first product, the Ocean SUV, in November. The company said it had 5,000 preorders of the Ocean initial offering, which costs $69,000. More than 56,000 people total have reserved the SUV, Fisker said, up from 45,000 at the end of the first quarter.
Fisker said it also had 4,000 reservations for a crossover SUV with a base price below $30,000. It expects to begin producing the cheaper vehicle by 2024 as part of a partnership with Taiwanese contract manufacturer Foxconn Technology Group.
Fisker’s stock this year has slid nearly 38% through Wednesday.
 

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EV Maker Lucid Cuts Production Outlook in Half​

Luxury sedan maker cites supply-chain and logistical challenges as well as internal bottlenecks​

Rivian, Lucid, Lordstown, Canoo, Fisker: EV Startups’ Fight to Survive
Rivian, Lucid, Lordstown, Canoo, Fisker: EV Startups’ Fight to Survive

Rivian, Lucid, Lordstown, Canoo, Fisker: EV Startups’ Fight to SurvivePlay video: Rivian, Lucid, Lordstown, Canoo, Fisker: EV Startups’ Fight to Survive
Electric-vehicle startups such as Lucid, Fisker, Canoo and Lordstown are having to adjust to the realities of making vehicles in a harsh economy. WSJ’s George Downs explains some of the challenges they are facing and why some even risk going out of business. Photo composite: George Downs
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Electric-vehicle maker Lucid Group Inc. LCID -9.73%▼ said it expected to make half as many cars as previously forecast this year, citing supply-chain and logistical challenges that have troubled the wider auto industry as well as the company’s own problems.
The California-based company on Wednesday slashed its 2022 production target for the second time this year. Lucid now projects making between 6,000 and 7,000 vehicles. It first lowered a previous estimate of 20,000 vehicles to between 12,000 and 14,000 in February.
“This quarter has proven to be a very challenging period, and whilst we have experienced supply chain and logistics challenges along with the entire industry, the limitations of our logistics systems have compounded the challenge,” Chief Executive Peter Rawlinson said.
He said supply-chain issues and infrastructure upgrades contributed to two-and-a-half weeks in which the company had no daily production at its Arizona factory. He said the company had identified internal bottlenecks and was working to alleviate them.

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Shares of Lucid fell nearly 13% in premarket trading Thursday. Before the updated guidance, the stock had fallen 46% in 2022.
Lucid and other EV makers have faced increasing competition, rising prices and supply logjams. A wave of battery-powered vehicles, from startups including Vietnam’s VinFast to giants such as Toyota Motor Corp. and Volkswagen AG, are scheduled to hit showrooms in coming months. A quickly growing pool of consumers want to buy them, analysts and car makers say.
The challenge is turning a profit. Costs are rising for key components of EVs, including steel for vehicle bodies and lithium for batteries. And the global semiconductor shortage has resulted in factories running at less than full capacity while they await deliveries of computer chips.
Lucid said in May that it would raise the price of its sole vehicle, the Air sedan, to $87,000, citing rising raw material costs.
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Lucid, which makes the electric Air sedan, said its quarterly loss narrowed to $220 million despite the rising cost of supplies.PHOTO: RICHARD B. LEVINE/ZUMA PRESS
For the quarter ended in June, Lucid’s loss narrowed to $220 million from $261 million a year earlier, despite rising expenses. Lucid said it delivered 679 vehicles to customers during the quarter, compared with 360 vehicles in the first quarter.
With investor appetite for nascent EV companies waning, these businesses are conserving cash. Electric pickup truck and SUV maker Rivian Automotive Inc., laid off 6% of its workforce last week, saying it wanted to ensure it can hit its production targets without raising more cash.
Lucid said it had $4.6 billion in cash on hand, compared with $5.4 billion as of March 31, which the company said would allow the company to continue operations into 2023. Revenue for the quarter grew to $97 million, from $174,000 a year earlier.

Lucid faces a bevy of competitors from luxury car makers including Mercedes-Benz and Tesla Inc.
Another rival, Fisker Inc., said Wednesday that its second-quarter net loss rose to $106 million, compared with $46 million last year. Fisker said it has more than $850 million in cash and equivalents on hand, down from $1.2 billion at the start of the year.
Fisker plans to begin producing its first product, the Ocean SUV, in November. The company said it had 5,000 preorders of the Ocean initial offering, which costs $69,000. More than 56,000 people total have reserved the SUV, Fisker said, up from 45,000 at the end of the first quarter.
Fisker said it also had 4,000 reservations for a crossover SUV with a base price below $30,000. It expects to begin producing the cheaper vehicle by 2024 as part of a partnership with Taiwanese contract manufacturer Foxconn Technology Group.
Fisker’s stock this year has slid nearly 38% through Wednesday.
Saw one of these a few days ago....
 

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Saw one of these a few days ago....
i hope you took a photo...cause: They're Gone...well, almost

it's amazing how some turd world country is giving our top tech companies a run for their money because they can scale a pile of shit faster than our quality builders can get a handful off the assembly line...amazing how far we've fallen

or possibly how much of a confidence game this has actually been over the last ten years with as to how it's gelled...how it's matured as an industry


it all still feels like it's nothing but a confidence game with an over powered luxury golf car as the prize....

oh, and hope...a lot of hope...

hope the damn thing don't burn up in your garage.? idk...maybe

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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10225231189824363&set=a.10204792700434902&type=3&theater



"Sometimes It's Just Time to Throw in the Towel !"

Roger Dean Chevrolet in Cape Coral Florida can fix you up with a new battery for your Volt EV - No Problem ! Well, maybe there is a little problem . . . $29,842.15 including tax.

The VIN#1G1RB6E4XCU113962 indicates this is a 2012 Chevrolet Volt with 70,489 miles on the odometer which has a Kelly Blue Book value of from $8,999.99 to $16,500.00 in perfect condition.

A brand new 2023 Chevy Bolt 1LT Base Model sells for $26,595, while a fancied up 2LT goes for $29,795 (prices after all cash incentives and offers).

SOO . . . it costs you more to replace the dead battery in your 10-year-old Volt than it costs to buy yourself a brand-new 2023 Deluxe Volt.

The throwaway Chevy Volt appears to be the Yugo for the 21st century !



May be an image of text that says 'CHEVROLET Roger Dean Chevrolet Repair Estimate Estimates: AP314119 Vehicle: Volt 08/23/2022 Estimate Date: VIN: G1RB6E4XCU113962 Customers: Address: 8:49 AM Odometer: 70,489 License#: Advisor#: (H) CUSTOMER QUOTE (Ext) Operation: N0110 Battery r&r HYBRID BATTERY REPLACEMENT Part Number GM24043694 GM12378390 Misc Code Pt BATTERY COOLANT BAT PartPrice 26,853.99 16.99 ExtPrice 26,853.99 33.98 Misc Description SHOP SUPPLIES FL STATE BATTERY FEE s403 18 40.00 1.50 LABOR $: PARTS GOG MISC TAX : 1,200 26,887 0.00 41.50 1,712.68 SUBTOTAL $: 29,842.15 CUSTOMER COPY Page'
 

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Lease.
 

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What’re the folks that can’t afford to buy/lease a new car supposed to do???

That’s another problem with this tech…there will be few working 10 year old vehicles for that population segment.
That brings up the question of NAPA, Auto Zone, Advanced Auto, O' Rilleys......... a business model built on selling windshield wipers to ev's?
Or are they betting we become Cuba?
 

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What’re the folks that can’t afford to buy/lease a new car supposed to do???

That’s another problem with this tech…there will be few working 10 year old vehicles for that population segment.
Walk.
 

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Cost. 500, + 150 for repairs. 250 for title and taxes. 300 for 6 months ins.

30 dollars a week to and fro
 

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In Germany it is now more expensive to charge EV than fill a gas tank.







 

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https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10225231189824363&set=a.10204792700434902&type=3&theater



"Sometimes It's Just Time to Throw in the Towel !"

Roger Dean Chevrolet in Cape Coral Florida can fix you up with a new battery for your Volt EV - No Problem ! Well, maybe there is a little problem . . . $29,842.15 including tax.

The VIN#1G1RB6E4XCU113962 indicates this is a 2012 Chevrolet Volt with 70,489 miles on the odometer which has a Kelly Blue Book value of from $8,999.99 to $16,500.00 in perfect condition.

A brand new 2023 Chevy Bolt 1LT Base Model sells for $26,595, while a fancied up 2LT goes for $29,795 (prices after all cash incentives and offers).

SOO . . . it costs you more to replace the dead battery in your 10-year-old Volt than it costs to buy yourself a brand-new 2023 Deluxe Volt.

The throwaway Chevy Volt appears to be the Yugo for the 21st century !



May be an image of text that says 'CHEVROLET Roger Dean Chevrolet Repair Estimate Estimates: AP314119 Vehicle: Volt 08/23/2022 Estimate Date: VIN: G1RB6E4XCU113962 Customers: Address: 8:49 AM Odometer: 70,489 License#: Advisor#: (H) CUSTOMER QUOTE (Ext) Operation: N0110 Battery r&r HYBRID BATTERY REPLACEMENT Part Number GM24043694 GM12378390 Misc Code Pt BATTERY COOLANT BAT PartPrice 26,853.99 16.99 ExtPrice 26,853.99 33.98 Misc Description SHOP SUPPLIES FL STATE BATTERY FEE s403 18 40.00 1.50 LABOR $: PARTS GOG MISC TAX : 1,200 26,887 0.00 41.50 1,712.68 SUBTOTAL $: 29,842.15 CUSTOMER COPY Page''CHEVROLET Roger Dean Chevrolet Repair Estimate Estimates: AP314119 Vehicle: Volt 08/23/2022 Estimate Date: VIN: G1RB6E4XCU113962 Customers: Address: 8:49 AM Odometer: 70,489 License#: Advisor#: (H) CUSTOMER QUOTE (Ext) Operation: N0110 Battery r&r HYBRID BATTERY REPLACEMENT Part Number GM24043694 GM12378390 Misc Code Pt BATTERY COOLANT BAT PartPrice 26,853.99 16.99 ExtPrice 26,853.99 33.98 Misc Description SHOP SUPPLIES FL STATE BATTERY FEE s403 18 40.00 1.50 LABOR $: PARTS GOG MISC TAX : 1,200 26,887 0.00 41.50 1,712.68 SUBTOTAL $: 29,842.15 CUSTOMER COPY Page'

That is one damned expensive gas tank and polluting piece of junk.
 

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There was an old story from one of my Chemistry classes in college. Supposedly many years ago, so this would have been like the 1970's or so, someone got hold of a chunk of Sodium metal. They thought it would be a good idea to see a similar little fire. Well, the story goes that they chucked it in a small pond on campus. The resulting explosion blew out windows in the Memorial Union which was probably 500 feet away or so.
 

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someone got hold of a chunk of Sodium metal. They thought it would be a good idea to see a similar little fire. Well, the story goes that they chucked it in a small pond on campus. The resulting explosion blew out windows in the Memorial Union which was probably 500 feet away or so.
It's not sodium, but check out what this guy does with a lithium battery.

 

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It's not sodium, but check out what this guy does with a lithium battery.


All of the Alkali metals are highly reactive. They get more reactive as you move down the Periodic table. This is because the outer electrons are held even less tightly on the larger atoms.

So Sodium metal would make for more violent reactions than Lithium. Potassium metal is even more reactive than Sodium. And so on. We once had some Rubidium metal in a tube explode in our glove box and put a nice colorful splotch on the glass. Good thing that was in a glove box.
 

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In Norway yesterday, i got a ride in a 100% electric Ford Mustang.

Might as well have been sitting in a car from an old arcade game...

NOTHING to do with a Stang...
 

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the more i read, the more i cringe


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and they're telling us this is Progressive while it all appears to be Criminal
 

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In Norway yesterday, i got a ride in a 100% electric Ford Mustang.

Might as well have been sitting in a car from an old arcade game...

NOTHING to do with a Stang...
Did you let the owner know how disappointed you were?
 

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Did you let the owner know how disappointed you were?
I just mentioned that it was very different from any stang I'd ever known...
 

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What all this is, is an increasingly-transparent ploy to destroy a huge block of the American economy.

Think of all who are employed in the industry. The autoworkers; the delivery drivers; the dealers and their personnel. All paid middle-class wages. For this, you get a reliable, easily-refuelable personal-transportation device.

Electric cars promise little of that. Lithium mined in Russia...huge quantities of raw soil having to be processed. Components, and probably whole cars, made in China. Service life, five to ten years. Charging time, two hours, MINIMUM.


 

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How often do gas cars burn up?

And when you take the arson cases out, they're an asterisk on the statistical chart.

Tell your insurance agent you have a Tesla, parked in an attached garage...and see what your rates do.
 

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That was as deliberate as it gets !!! :blew up::blew up::blew up:
 

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How To Destroy A State's Economy
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Just mandate that nobody can buy and register a fuel-powered personal vehicle in your state.
The California Air Resources Board issued the rule and held a final hearing this week requiring all new cars sold after 2035 to be electric. According to the same plan, 35% of cars sold in the state should be fossil-fuel free as soon as 2026.
Virginia will follow California due to a 2021 law signed by former Gov. Ralph Northam that tied Virginia to the Golden State's emissions regulations.
Leave aside all the points made in the Fox article (all valid, by the way; the grid can't support this, at the same time they're doing it they're also damaging base load capacity severely by shutting down reliable generation currently in use, cost issues for even the most-modest EV and more) is this: It has been upheld by the courts that one of the most-important personal rights is the right to travel in and between states for personal purpose using the common means of the day without unreasonable interference.
EVs basically destroy that because of their range limitations and charge times.
In addition an EV makes many areas of this nation personally inaccessible entirely. That is, there simply is no rational option given the range limitations for you to get there and back out no matter how you do it. As just one example thus summer I traveled across from Tennessee to Wyoming for a half-marathon, towing my trailer to sleep in. There were several portions of that journey in multiple states that were impossible to complete with an EV truck, and at least a couple that were likely impossible even without the trailer in an EV car without severe compromise, simply because the distance between reasonable charge options exceeds the range.
A recent test of a similar-size and wind resistance trailer behind the electric version of the Ford F150 made clear that the trip was physically impossible with that vehicle pulling the trailer.
This never occurs with a gasoline or diesel-powered vehicle because even if you get crappy mileage its trivial to strap a few 5 gallon gas cans to the outside of the vehicle to extend your range. You can't strap a spare battery onto an EV and bring it with you, even if you had the ridiculous amount of money to buy it with the mass and size of the battery prevents it.
It is not my place, not living in either of these states, to decide whether the citizens there are willing to put up with this. Clearly, this is an attempt by CARB to basically dictate to the entire nation that you are no longer a free people. You cannot choose to go somewhere else. You can, in such a place, no longer decide to (for example) get in your car and drive to Colorado to go skiing in the winter. Indeed in some parts of Colorado where skiing is popular you likely can't even fly into the state and then rent an EV at the airport for the rest of the trip because in very cold conditions EVs cannot accept a charge and many of those areas are well beyond the "no-charge-return" range of an EV starting from, for example, Denver's airport.
But it is the right of the people in those states to determine whether they're going to put up with this sort of nonsense and the economic destruction that actually going forward with it will bring. If you think mandating electric vehicles will be "reasonable" in terms of operating cost you need only look at what's happening over in Europe right now, which wildly embraced all the "green" energy claims, when it comes to EVs and operating cost projected for this coming fall and winter. Said projections are that the cost-per-mile just for the power to charge the vehicle will be much more expensive than gas or diesel -- and I do remind you that Europe has been paying a whole lot more than we have for gasoline, as a result of extremely high fuel taxes, for a very long time.
How would you like to pay four times as much on a per-mile basis to drive said EV than your current gas-powered car? If what Europe is facing in power costs comes here, and the more demand we put on the electrical grid and the more fossil-fuel sources we take offline the more likely that is, it could very easily happen. What if the inability to physically go where you want doesn't matter because its a buck a mile to put electricity into the car so you can go at all and you don't have it and thus the lack of range and charging away from home is immaterial?
What if that extra load also quadruples the price of power to run the lights and HVAC in your house and this comes after your state or town has mandated that nothing other than electricity can be used for heat as has happened with new construction in several areas already? Germany already had electrical power costs roughly three times what it is in most of the US -- about 30 cents/kWh -- before the Russian conflict with Ukraine. Current projections are that monthly heating bills will at least triple this winter and that is on the back of a doubling last year! Similar projections are being made for England.
Can you pay that sort of bill without being bankrupted or will you freeze?
Never mind that the batteries are wildly expensive (several times the cost of an engine replacement in a conventional car) and are non-recyclable. Oh, and they do inevitably wear out too (you haven't had that happen to the battery in your phone, right?) so even if you aren't "that guy" who it happens to if the capacity is down by a material amount and you try to sell the car down the road nobody will give you anything for it when they see the remaining capacity number and realize they will shortly be on the hook for $20,000 to replace said battery!
There are plenty of people who claim this stuff is all about malice -- that is, it's the intent of these governments to basically stick you in a pigpen and then make you perform. I'm not willing to go that far because I don't have to: Stupidity and religion (in this case, the "oh my Ghod the sky is falling!" climate stuff) is plenty to explain the intentional blindness to what is obvious to anyone who doesn't intentionally suspend logic and all of their IQ points, such as they are.
In the meantime if you live in one of these states do consider whether you want to find yourself behind the 8-ball a few years from now. Expecting others in your area to rise up and put a stop to it rather than doing so yourself is always a poor strategy.
In this case it may be at least a financially ruinous one, and perhaps personally ruinous as well.