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Robots will take your jobs

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People will still have bills to pay and no jobs to work.

That issue needs to be answered.
I've long envisioned a future where everyone will be issued a robot at birth that will do all the work and/or physical labor that the person would have otherwise had to do. Ie: you'll send your robot to work while you go fishin', but you get the paycheck. Think of it like slavery, but with robots.

Think of all the other stuff that people could do if only they didn't have to trade away half their waking hours. How many potential Picasso's are out there wasting their lives flipping burgers or digging ditches because they have to in order to survive? Meanwhile their potential talents go un-cultivated. A ditch digger may have an interest in something, but no time to pursue it because the time cost to do so is too expensive. A "slave" robot that could go dig that ditch for him would solve that problem. Society has only to gain from the robot utopia.
 

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Another story today about China using more and more robots in factories. Think about that one, they are paying peanuts for labor with little or no benefits yet it is cheaper to use robots. Plus add in the MSM story that labor cost is what moved the factories to China in the first place. Personally, I still think pollution and OSHA is what did it - in the end preventing or cleaning up pollution here in the USA was too expensive; so they exported the pollution to China. I suspect a robot costs the same to operate in China or the USA or Japan or Mexico, so the only savings to Chinese manufacturing is the lack of pollution control and safety rules/labor laws for the few workers they need.

We will figure it out, but there will be a lot of pain for people first.
 

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The people who lost their job ain't gonna be fixing them.m

When the truckers get shut down, so will the restaurants... truck driving is the most common highest paying job in many stats; most of those people are not going to find a replacement job that pays nearly the same.

Eventually cashier jobs will be gone, so will flipping burgers. Then what? Eventually the robots will fix the robots, then what?
The Terminator: The Skynet Funding Bill is passed. The system goes on-line August 4th, 1997. Human decisions are removed from strategic defense. Skynet begins to learn at a geometric rate. It becomes self-aware at 2:14 a.m. Eastern time, August 29th. In a panic, they try to pull the plug.
 

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Think of all the other stuff that people could do if only they didn't have to trade away half their waking hours. How many potential Picasso's are out there wasting their lives flipping burgers or digging ditches because they have to in order to survive? Meanwhile their potential talents go un-cultivated.
The problem is that there are not many potential Picassos or Einsteins or Kurt Vonneguts out there. We have a drug addiction problem around here [Kentucky, Indiana, Ohio] hat is astounding, shocking even. This is IMHO due to NO WORK causing a LAYABOUT mindset. Boredom is one of the worst problems for humanity, feed house and cloth somebody but no work and no future causes tremendous social problems, never mind health issues. Eventually it will get so bad they will rebel and destroy the system, after a truck load of social pain.

The old sayings are true, and they have been around for centuries:
Idle hands are the devil's playthings
Idle hands are the devil's tools
the devil makes work for idle hands
Idle hands are the devil's workshop.
One who is idle will likely come to do evil.

St. Jerome:
fac et aliquid operis, ut semper te diabolus inveniat occupatum

Einstein worked as a clerk while he developed his theories, he didn't need a hand out.
Picasso as far as I can tell never worked a regular job, his father was a painter and professor, Pablo started painting at an early age and stayed in the art field. Didn't need a hand out.
Vonnegut worked and attended school while he developed as a writer, he used the GI bill after the war but he worked also. No hand outs per se.

Perhaps someone could find a case of a person on welfare who developed great talent or thinking or writing, the only one I can think of offhand is J.K. Rowling [Harry Potter].
 

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feed house and cloth somebody but no work and no future causes tremendous social problems, never mind health issues.
I'm not saying "no work", just that you'll have a slave robot to do that work for you. Think of it like this. If you suddenly had a robot that could do your job and you get paid for it, what would you do with your newly found time?
...and this future of robot slavery in a human's robot utopia would still be a long way off. I'm just thinkin' about how it might end up being. Because the robots are def coming, one way or another.
 

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I've long envisioned a future where everyone will be issued a robot at birth that will do all the work and/or physical labor that the person would have otherwise had to do. Ie: you'll send your robot to work while you go fishin', but you get the paycheck. Think of it like slavery, but with robots.

Think of all the other stuff that people could do if only they didn't have to trade away half their waking hours. How many potential Picasso's are out there wasting their lives flipping burgers or digging ditches because they have to in order to survive? Meanwhile their potential talents go un-cultivated. A ditch digger may have an interest in something, but no time to pursue it because the time cost to do so is too expensive. A "slave" robot that could go dig that ditch for him would solve that problem. Society has only to gain from the robot utopia.
Why would my employer hire and pay my robot instead of buying another one for himself to work for free?

We as a society would have to go back to being agricultural and living off the land and being self sufficient and having robots do our work... That foundation would need to be established again. That way if there are no jobs, people would still be able to support themselves.
 

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IMO

Once it's easier to have robots do everything, this is when tptb will depopulate the planet.
 

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Why would my employer hire and pay my robot instead of buying another one for himself to work for free?
Good point, but I think that society will end up working out the problems. The future I envisioned is more so the end result of it. How we get there, I'm not exactly sure, but robots are coming so we need to deal with it one way or another.

The industrial revolution displaced lots of workers too and was claimed by some to be a bad thing for society. We need the robot revolution to further transform society in a good ways.


We as a society would have to go back to being agricultural and living off the land and being self sufficient and having robots do our work... That foundation would need to be established again. That way if there are no jobs, people would still be able to support themselves.
That's all good too. With robots, people will have more time to garden.
 

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Could this lead to your consciousness being uploaded into a robot? No need for a human body?
 

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The people who lost their job ain't gonna be fixing them.m

When the truckers get shut down, so will the restaurants... truck driving is the most common highest paying job in many stats; most of those people are not going to find a replacement job that pays nearly the same.

Eventually cashier jobs will be gone, so will flipping burgers. Then what? Eventually the robots will fix the robots, then what?
I agree that'll happen at some stage. The self aware need to save and invest now so they are better off and not dependant on the market forces and decisions of others

Easy to say but it's the right goal IMO

Commodities and service go first. Sales and R&D, and applications engineering will be around for our children's life time.
 

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They even have robot hookers now, so that last resort job is going to be history.
Maybe for the next generation but in all honesty; ick
 

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People will still have bills to pay and no jobs to work.

That issue needs to be answered.
Kill the corporations and banks.
Then you can own land free and clear and produce your own food.

Until sound money and a zero national debt is achieved there will be no utopia.

More like mass depopulation.

About the only thing America is number 1 and will continue to be is highest incarceration population and highest cost of healthcare with lowest return.
 

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Robots could replace 48,000 Deutsche Bank employees who are too 'error-prone and inefficient', says CEO
  • In 2015, Deutsche Bank announced that it was making 9,000 job cuts
  • John Cryan said many of these would come through using technology
  • He added: 'There's a lot of machine learning and mechanisation that we can do'


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