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Should Corrupt Bankers Face the Death Penalty?
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Let’s be clear: financial misdeeds ruin lives. If a Madoff takes your money and uses it to pay off other investors in a ponzi scheme, you won’t be able to get it back. If a Blankfein underling issues you with misleading advice, and then bets against you (creaming himself a nice profit), you won’t be able to get it back. If a Corzine steals your money and uses it to bet on the European sovereign debt market, you might not be able to get it back. You might end up in poverty or worse. You might lose your children’s college money, your retirement money, or capital you needed for your business. You might lose your home.

So shouldn’t we take a tough line against financial misdeeds? Shouldn’t tricking and stealing from investors, tricking and stealing from the public, tricking and stealing from clients carry a heavy disincentive, like death? Would a corrupt banker not think twice about their misdeeds if they knew that apprehension would mean a noose around their neck and a kicked bucket?

Certainly there is a popular impression that big-time criminals with titles, status and MBAs get it easy, while protestors (sometimes protesting the misdeeds of big-time criminals) get shafted by the hyper-vigilant modern security state:

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A lot of commentators — like for example, Max Keiser — seem to think so.

And in China financial crimes are treated with a gravity far beyond a cushy minimum security cell, and home visits on the weekends.

Financial criminals in China are often executed.

From Wiki:

China has executed bankers for fraudulent activity:
Wang Liming, former accounting officer, China Construction Bank, Henan, with others stole 20 million yuan ($2.4 million in U.S. Currency) from the bank using fraudulent papers, executed.
Miao Ping, an accomplice in the same case, executed.
Wang Xiang, same bank in an unrelated case, also executed for taking 20 million yuan from the bank.
Liang Shihan, Bank of China, Zhuhai, executed for helping cheat his bank out of $10.3 million

In a recent case, Wu Ying, a 28-year-old woman, will soon be put to death for taking out multi-million dollar loans from investors she was unable to pay back.

We in the West appear to have a problem; financial crimes ruin lives, but financial criminals either get away with a comparatively small fine (like Goldman did after they misled clients), a cushy prison cell, or sometimes even a taxpayer funded bailout.

Simply, they keep the upside of their behaviour, and pass the downside off to someone else (either a sucker investor, or a junior partner, or the taxpayer).

Hammurabi, the Babylonian King, had a simple principle for dealing with such bull****:

If a builder builds a house and the house collapses and causes the death of the owner – the builder shall be put to death. If it causes the death of the son of the owner, a son of that builder shall be put to death.

Exact equivalence; you destroy someone’s livelihood, and your livelihood shall be destroyed. Such justice would leave a lot of people, and not just bankers — Dick Cheney, John Yoo, Larry Summers, Tim Geithner — with a lot to fear.

But would it work? Well, China executes bankers — as well as corrupt party leaders, (watch out, Bo Xilai) — and bankers in China keep screwing investors and the nation.

I think the biggest problem with capital punishment is that it is administered by the state (or the mob) and that means that very often it is administered to the wrong people, for corrupt or flawed reasons. Putting the power of life and death in the hands of the state is quite dangerous. More likely than not, the person executed will end up being the innocent junior intern (“take one for the team, buddy!”) while the corrupt CEO enjoys a retirement of golf courses, hookers, viagra, and oxycontin.

A much better goal to aspire to is the end of bailouts, and the end of firing off wads of QE-dollars to preserve badly-run (but well-connected) companies and systems (zombification).

Still, in matters of financial fraud I think it is important to seek out equivalent justice; you destroy a livelihood, we take your trust fund, and your Swiss bank account to compensate the victim. The status quo — where regulators shoot off tiny fines for huge financial crimes — is a joke.

But the best way to punish Goldman Sachs (etc) for their misdeeds is to not bail them out the next time their hyper-fragile leverage-driven business model fails them and they end up over a barrel. It is quick, dirty and emotionally satisfying to talk of executions, but giving the state the power over life and death has far bigger, and far more dangerous consequences, not to mention huge potential for abuse.

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Should Corrupt Bankers Face the Death Penalty?
azizonomics.com

Let’s be clear: financial misdeeds ruin lives. If a Madoff takes your money and uses it to pay off other investors in a ponzi scheme, you won’t be able to get it back. If a Blankfein underling issues you with misleading advice, and then bets against you (creaming himself a nice profit), you won’t be able to get it back. If a Corzine steals your money and uses it to bet on the European sovereign debt market, you might not be able to get it back. You might end up in poverty or worse. You might lose your children’s college money, your retirement money, or capital you needed for your business. You might lose your home.

So shouldn’t we take a tough line against financial misdeeds? Shouldn’t tricking and stealing from investors, tricking and stealing from the public, tricking and stealing from clients carry a heavy disincentive, like death? Would a corrupt banker not think twice about their misdeeds if they knew that apprehension would mean a noose around their neck and a kicked bucket?

Certainly there is a popular impression that big-time criminals with titles, status and MBAs get it easy, while protestors (sometimes protesting the misdeeds of big-time criminals) get shafted by the hyper-vigilant modern security state:

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A lot of commentators — like for example, Max Keiser — seem to think so.

And in China financial crimes are treated with a gravity far beyond a cushy minimum security cell, and home visits on the weekends.

Financial criminals in China are often executed.

From Wiki:

China has executed bankers for fraudulent activity:
Wang Liming, former accounting officer, China Construction Bank, Henan, with others stole 20 million yuan ($2.4 million in U.S. Currency) from the bank using fraudulent papers, executed.
Miao Ping, an accomplice in the same case, executed.
Wang Xiang, same bank in an unrelated case, also executed for taking 20 million yuan from the bank.
Liang Shihan, Bank of China, Zhuhai, executed for helping cheat his bank out of $10.3 million

In a recent case, Wu Ying, a 28-year-old woman, will soon be put to death for taking out multi-million dollar loans from investors she was unable to pay back.

We in the West appear to have a problem; financial crimes ruin lives, but financial criminals either get away with a comparatively small fine (like Goldman did after they misled clients), a cushy prison cell, or sometimes even a taxpayer funded bailout.

Simply, they keep the upside of their behaviour, and pass the downside off to someone else (either a sucker investor, or a junior partner, or the taxpayer).

Hammurabi, the Babylonian King, had a simple principle for dealing with such bull****:

If a builder builds a house and the house collapses and causes the death of the owner – the builder shall be put to death. If it causes the death of the son of the owner, a son of that builder shall be put to death.

Exact equivalence; you destroy someone’s livelihood, and your livelihood shall be destroyed. Such justice would leave a lot of people, and not just bankers — Dick Cheney, John Yoo, Larry Summers, Tim Geithner — with a lot to fear.

But would it work? Well, China executes bankers — as well as corrupt party leaders, (watch out, Bo Xilai) — and bankers in China keep screwing investors and the nation.

I think the biggest problem with capital punishment is that it is administered by the state (or the mob) and that means that very often it is administered to the wrong people, for corrupt or flawed reasons. Putting the power of life and death in the hands of the state is quite dangerous. More likely than not, the person executed will end up being the innocent junior intern (“take one for the team, buddy!”) while the corrupt CEO enjoys a retirement of golf courses, hookers, viagra, and oxycontin.

A much better goal to aspire to is the end of bailouts, and the end of firing off wads of QE-dollars to preserve badly-run (but well-connected) companies and systems (zombification).

Still, in matters of financial fraud I think it is important to seek out equivalent justice; you destroy a livelihood, we take your trust fund, and your Swiss bank account to compensate the victim. The status quo — where regulators shoot off tiny fines for huge financial crimes — is a joke.

But the best way to punish Goldman Sachs (etc) for their misdeeds is to not bail them out the next time their hyper-fragile leverage-driven business model fails them and they end up over a barrel. It is quick, dirty and emotionally satisfying to talk of executions, but giving the state the power over life and death has far bigger, and far more dangerous consequences, not to mention huge potential for abuse.

azizonomics.com

http://www.silverbearcafe.com/private/04.12/corrupt.html

I don't know that the death penalty is a fair punishment. But I know in my heart that they do not fear retribution. They know they will never be held accountable for their misdeeds. Until there is true justice, nothing will change. I think a good start would be to put a few of them in jail for 10 or 12 years minimum, take ALL their material wealth, their homes, cars, boats, vacation homes, bank accounts, stocks, savings, et al.
 

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QWAK,With out PUNISHMENT equel to the CRIME then it is just a game of beating the odds and not geting cought! :idea::realmad:

Take every thing they own and sell it to make RESTITUTION to the ones they ROBED and THEN put them to HARD LABOR because they FORGOT and IGNORED that MONEY represents the TIME EFFORT and LIFE of a person that WORKS and traids that -- for FOOD, CLOTHS and SHELTER!:idea:

Killing them is not likely to change THEM or any one who choses to believe they can GET AWAY with it --- BUT the THOUGHT :idea: of BOILING them in OIL :hmmmm2: does almost seem apropriate for all the PAIN and SUFFERING they cause for SOooooooooooo many others!:thumbs_up::goodnight:

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On the other hand, when you give your pixels to someone else to manage should you be surprised when they disappear?

In the Army if you leave you wallet unsecured and it gets stolen, you and the thief face charges.
 

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On the other hand, when you give your pixels to someone else to manage should you be surprised when they disappear?

In the Army if you leave you wallet unsecured and it gets stolen, you and the thief face charges.
QWAK,DodgebyDave,I lost a small B+W TV down in Ft.Benning when I went to the Latrean down the hall and came back 10 min. later it was GONE:realmad: -- I did not put the PAD LOCK on my ROOM door! :thumpdown:

I lost a MOTER CICLE that way too,because I did not take the time to put the cable lock threw the back wheel!:realmad::thumbs_down:

The SOBs KNOW they can and likely WILL get away with the THEFT and even if cought it is a small cost in compareson to the GAIN!:realmad::goodnight:

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I left a flashlight laying around once, it walked away. After that I learned not to trust people.

What's the old saying? Locks keep out honest people.

If there were any honest people, we wouldn't need locks.
 

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I left a flashlight laying around once, it walked away. After that I learned not to trust people.

What's the old saying? Locks keep out honest people.

If there were any honest people, we wouldn't need locks.
QWAK,DodgebyDave,Sorry but you are WRONG -- HONIST and HONERABLE people don't NEED LOCKS -- they don't TAKE other people STUFF because THAT is WRONG and they understand that TRUTH! :idea::thumbs_up:

It is an INPOSITION on OTHERS that they MUST constently EXPECT otheres WILL rip them off IF they get a chance! :realmad::idea:

People learn as kids they can almost always get away with THEFT and so it becomes the SMART (?) thing to do and WORKING and SAVING becomes DUMB even STUPID! :hmmmm2::realmad:

When they do get cought it is ALWAYS the FIRST TIME :hmmmm2: and just a simple mistake! :realmad:BULL S**T!!!

With the HARD TIMES that we all know are coming it will be OPEN SEASON -- NO LIMIT on THUG ZOMBIES as simple life preservation --- it should never have got this bad but it HAS!:cry_smile:

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What a wonderful idea!! Let's loosen the stringent requirements and give the State more opportunities to kill those who are in its way!


Frickin brilliant.
 

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Death, no. But rounding them all up, including the great majority of lawyers and politicians, stripping them of their assets, and shipping them off to somewhere like Sub Saharan Africa in camps funded by their assets.

Appropriate payment as well as jobs would be tendered to the local residents from conficated assets as compensation. Very few would survive secondary to their pampered entitled lifestyles, and perhaps some would recant and rehabilitate when faced with the evidence of what they do to people.

As Unclad pointed out, you can't give this power to the state, so how to accomplish this would be difficult at best, but one can dream, can't one...
 

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First give them a fair trial, and then hang the SOBs. They have created more grief, starved more women and children, and left whole countries decimated, by their evil ways. More families are homeless in the US, than in any time in history. They have been called before Congress, and lied their asses off. I say, bring back the gallows. Its time they met their maker, sooner, rather than later.
 

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:452:

They should be tortured by the people from who they stole from.

After they have been beaten stupid and want to commit suiside,

then throw their asses in prison with the worse of the worse.

:pissr::reddy:
 

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Most of these rich SOB's are so into themselves, they probably sleep well at night.

All they care about is themselves. Self Centered. Greed is their god.

Anyone with a conscience would avoid stealing. If they realized later that they did indeed steal, they would fess up and practice reparation and repentance.
 

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Most of these rich SOB's are so into themselves, they probably sleep well at night.

All they care about is themselves. Self Centered. Greed is their god.

Anyone with a conscience would avoid stealing. If they realized later that they did indeed steal, they would fess up and practice reparation and repentance.
Planet earth has changed the rules that allow legalised theft for the privileged few.

Bankers.
Goobs.
Insurance Inc.
Lawyers.........To name but a few.......


But their time of redemption is coming.

SH
 

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Coinage Act of 1792

Section 19.
And be it further enacted, That

if any of the gold or silver coins which

shall be struck or coined at the said mint

shall be debased or made worse as to the

proportion of the fine gold or fine silver

therein contained, or shall be of less weight

or value than the same out to be pursuant to

the directions of this act, through the

default or with the connivance of any of the

officers or persons who shall be employed at

the said mint, for the purpose of profit or

gain, or otherwise with a fraudulent intent,

and if any of the said officers or persons

shall embezzle any of the metals which shall

at any time be committed to their charge for

the purpose of being coined, or any of the

coins which shall be struck or coined at the

said mint, every such officer or person who

shall commit any or either of the said

offenses, shall be deemed guilty of felony,

and shall suffer death.


When LBJ ram-rodded the Coinage Act of 1965 through Congress, the laws were changed, and theft by monetary debasement became legalized.

The state has nothing to enforce. The victims can include the state amongst the perpetrators.
 

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I say have them clean out all those vines that are growing all over the trees along our highways, plus all the dead brush. Lots of weeding needs to be done also. If they get hit by a car no big deal.
 

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Minimum 1 year for every life they ruined.
Seize all assets , here and abroad, including those held by relatives and "charities"/foundations etc. set up by the perp.- subtract the amount it cost to prosecute the case (remunerate the respective agencies)- subtract the amount it is expected to cost to jail the bastard for the expected sentence duration (pay his COL in advance), return whatever is left to the victims.
This making too much sense?
 

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What a wonderful idea!! Let's loosen the stringent requirements and give the State more opportunities to kill those who are in its way!


Frickin brilliant.
+1.

IMHO, the real question is this:

Which State, government, agency or bureaucracy are YOU willing to trust with the ultimate decision power; the power to murder people?

Nobody should face the death penalty.

JMHO
 

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Coinage Act of 1792

Section 19.
And be it further enacted, That

if any of the gold or silver coins which

shall be struck or coined at the said mint

shall be debased or made worse as to the

proportion of the fine gold or fine silver

therein contained, or shall be of less weight

or value than the same out to be pursuant to

the directions of this act, through the

default or with the connivance of any of the

officers or persons who shall be employed at

the said mint, for the purpose of profit or

gain, or otherwise with a fraudulent intent,

and if any of the said officers or persons

shall embezzle any of the metals which shall

at any time be committed to their charge for

the purpose of being coined, or any of the

coins which shall be struck or coined at the

said mint, every such officer or person who

shall commit any or either of the said

offenses, shall be deemed guilty of felony,

and shall suffer death.


When LBJ ram-rodded the Coinage Act of 1965 through Congress, the laws were changed, and theft by monetary debasement became legalized.

The state has nothing to enforce. The victims can include the state amongst the perpetrators.
LBJ should of been hung for the traitor he was .
 

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Should Corrupt Bankers Face the Death Penalty?

Yes! No! The right answer is HELL YES! String 'em from the yard arm. Keelhaul 'em! I ain't gonna be around to see 'em burn in hell so burn 'em NOW! Let's have a neck stretching Olympics! Let's draw 'n quarter them!

Just kidding! I am a merciful sort. However, I must balance that against my sense of justice. In that spirit I would say that we should let them live as long as they can while doing penance by means of service to humanity. We need more information on fire ants and killer bees so let's introduce them to the fun of fire ants and killer bees! Perhaps a better use for these cretins would be to move them all to Fukushima Japan and let them drink the water (be sure to add lots of fluoride) and feed them with seafood from the Gulf of Mexico and plenty of homegrown GM fruits and veggies while they clean up the reactor site. Of course, I am aware that there may be some undue suffering and we certainly want to keep them going long enough to finish cleaning up the mess so let's be sure and give them ALL the pharmaceuticals that they could need and want and maybe some they don't need or want. This should take care of human experimentation issues since they are paying back their debt to humanity.

Someone would need to watch over these banksters since they are a slippery lot so I propose that Wells Fargo be the group that plays watchman over the banksters and then Xe can watch the watchmen and then we can use the unmanned drones to watch over all of them.
I am, however, open to other ideas so put your thinking caps on. :)

Of course, this would only be the beginning as they have a lot of debt to pay off. I'm sure others will think up some marvelous ways for these former banksters to begin to pay back what they owe.
 

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Death, no. But rounding them all up, including the great majority of lawyers and politicians, stripping them of their assets, and shipping them off to somewhere like Sub Saharan Africa in camps funded by their assets.

Appropriate payment as well as jobs would be tendered to the local residents from conficated assets as compensation. Very few would survive secondary to their pampered entitled lifestyles, and perhaps some would recant and rehabilitate when faced with the evidence of what they do to people.

As Unclad pointed out, you can't give this power to the state, so how to accomplish this would be difficult at best, but one can dream, can't one...
I like this idea, no State supervised executions. One could hope that they comprehend the severity of their crimes and opt out with a belt, or piece of rope.
 

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QWAK,Call me crazy :s13: but I see the corrupt BANKERS and the GOVERNMENT officials who percipitated this TOTAL GLOBAL CATASTROPHY as the forces that make the TRANSION not only posable but the ONLY way that all of MANKIND can continue extisting in the FUTURE at a HIGHER level of AWARENESS and CONCERN for the WELFARE of ALL others.:yes:

By demonstrating just how BAD and DESTRUCTIVE the GREED for POWER over OTHERS can be or get and on such a GRAND SCALE that virtualy every person living on the planet is both AFECTED by it and AWARE of the CAUSE and SOURCE! :idea:

The ONLY viable solution is the OPOSIT of the basic FLASH of ANGER :pissedoff: because it does the OPOSIT of what MUST happen :36_3_13: JUBALEE -- the FORGIVNESS of ALL DEBTS and TRESPASSES with the RESULT being TRUE FREEDOM for ALL who FORGIVE and are FORGIVEN! :yes::alberteinstein::shine:

It was NOT there INTENT :devil1::452: but by there WRONG choices and actions they PERCIPITATED what could NOT have been posable with out the CONCENTRATED CORUPTION they MANIFESTED in to the REALITY of every person living on Earth all at the same time! :thinkey::yes::2:

As EVILE :devil1: as they are :yes: they have served a GREATER PURPOSE than they ever IMAGINED :stupido2: and with out the CLOKE of WEALTH they hide behind they are PITIFULL creatures -- little more than WORMS that eat the FLESH of other more evoled life forms.:puke:

With the JUBALEE and FORGIVNESS of DEBT they will be EXPOSED for ALL to know them. :yes:

They have punished them selves already -- they just don't know that they have OR that they built there own gallows and doug ther own graves as they BELIEVED they were doing it for ALL the OTHERS they had tried to INSLAVE by taking away there FREE WILL and CHOICE!:alberteinstein::shine::23_30_104::bloomingrose1kz:

No need to TORTURE or KILL them :452: many will or are doing it them selves :yes: and out of the destruction of the infernal macheane that they built will come somthing NEW and BETTER than the colective memory of mankind can either remember or now imagin posable! :36_3_13::shine:

It is NOT realy OVER -- IT is just the BEGINING of somthing much better that WE all have been NEEDING and doing with out BUT could have HAD all along -- IF we had chose to FORGIVE and HELP rather than HOLD DEBTS to INSLAVE others and EXPLOIT them.:yes::2:

Ponder on THAT then :hmmmm2: think about wanting to TORTURE and KILL all the BANKERS. :thumbs_up:

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In the Army if you leave you wallet unsecured and it gets stolen, you and the thief face charges.
I'd never heard this before. What's the rationale for charging the person who lost their wallet? Got any links?
 

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All of this spewing and vitriol overlooks one tiny detail:


The bankers didn't do anything illegal.

Unconstitutional, by the standards upon which our country was founded? Definitely!! Immoral and unethical? No question. But illegal? As in, overstepping the allowances made by the Legislators whose re-election campaigns they've so generously contributed to for decades, the ones who have chipped away at our most basic freedoms??

Nope.

If any group of people should be able to see through the smoke and mirrors, it would be the GIM folk. That you can't means there's absolutely no hope whatsoever of the Public ever figuring it out.
 

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All of this spewing and vitriol overlooks one tiny detail:


The bankers didn't do anything illegal.

Unconstitutional, by the standards upon which our country was founded? Definitely!! Immoral and unethical? No question. But illegal? As in, overstepping the allowances made by the Legislators whose re-election campaigns they've so generously contributed to for decades, the ones who have chipped away at our most basic freedoms??

Nope.

If any group of people should be able to see through the smoke and mirrors, it would be the GIM folk. That you can't means there's absolutely no hope whatsoever of the Public ever figuring it out.
All true. But I still think they should be forced to clean out the vines and brush that chokes out the tree growth along our highways. JMHO
 

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All true. But I still think they should be forced to clean out the vines and brush that chokes out the tree growth along our highways. JMHO
I'd prefer that they clean public toilets in bus stops/train stations. If they do a good job, after a couple years, they will get a brush!
 

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As many here say, a Lifetime of Enforced Penury would be a perfecto punishment :)

But, consider this, suppose it was possible to stirp out the Crud from the Western Finance System, what percentage would be left ?
 

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All true. But I still think they should be forced to clean out the vines and brush that chokes out the tree growth along our highways. JMHO
I heard once, that a certain place in California takes in all the garbage into a central location. Prisioners sort out the items that can be recycled (soda cans, etc.). The prisoners dig through dirty diapers and a host of other garbage to find those recycled items.

Sounds like a good job for bankers. No more being a snake in a suit. Put on coveralls and start sorting garbage.
 

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All of this spewing and vitriol overlooks one tiny detail: The bankers didn't do anything illegal.

Unclad packaged the whole thing in that one post. That is the whole thing right there. The details.
It's very difficult to see through the smoke and mirrors while your cross eyed by anger.

More specifically, what they did was legal.

When you have a team of legal people to help you know how to exploit the gray areas.
Traverse the loopholes and even create flexible interpretations. You don't have to break the law.

The only recourse is to have another legal team focus an how things get done. And attach severe legal consequences to even the slightest mistake. (see video below for example) Make it less risky to be basic, simple, open and honest and it becomes more desirable. Attach real consequences to exploitation and see what happens.

TPTB make what they do legal. The best we could hope for is to watch how things get done so closely that it becomes undesirable for them.

Mid level management screws up all the time. We have all had to deal with their incompetence at one time or another.

They screw up left and right. Make their screw ups so consequential they have to change their game.

I guess it would be similar to a malpractice approach that physicians have to deal with only make it beyond monetary. Anybody who has the ability to destroy the future of others should have their own future at stake. The top dog pays the top price and everyone else right down to the point of the error or infraction should be considered an accomplice to whatever degree.

There are plenty of lawyers in the USA, maybe a good economic crash would make some of them hungry enough to want to change sides.

Change the game from no risk high reward to high risk big consequences.

Say if a banker's actions carry the potential to change some one's life from productive middle class to struggling poverty, then the potential should be there for the bankers career to be downgraded to car wash attendant. That is in combination with some of the other consequences suggested above.

We could call it balanced risk.

Just food for thought.

In the video below Catherine Austine Fitts is discussing one aspect of the point I'm trying to make.

Forget WHAT look at HOW.

Of coarse it always comes down to getting the Dept of Just to do their job even when an independent source provides overwhelming evidence.

[video=youtube_share;8teD0GolSTE]http://youtu.be/8teD0GolSTE[/video]
 

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QWAK,Triunfar,Unfortunately the DEPT. of JUSTICE is CORUPTED all the way at the top and the POTUS is not even leagaly the head of the US GOVERNMENT either!:realmad::thumbs_down:

We are beyond using the system to fix the system:ahhhhh: it is corupted to the CORE!:realmad:

We could posably go back to befor the EXTREAM coruption happened in the 20s and 30s and throw out all the RULE changes since then BUT it will have to happen OUT SIDE the NORMAL conventional channels -- perhaps using US MARTIALS as has been talked about in other threads.:idea::thumbs_up:

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I'm still hangin with the crowd that believes we should be thinking about what we need to do if future events happen to provide opportunity.

People that are not prepared for opportunity are the same people that never recognize opportunity as it cruises right past them.

Duck I think we have some OUT SIDE the NORMAL situations coming at us.

The hell with the past. Good to learn from, but lets establish a good understanding of what we should do if we can.

Then be looking for when we can. I suspect there are coming events that may provide small windows of opportunity or maybe even blow wide open windows of opportunity. Either way...

Good things come to those who wait. The best things go to the diligent eager and swift.
 

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QWAK,Triunfar,Yea I guess "OUT SIDE the NORM" covers it!:idea::thumbs_up::cry1:

The problem is that what has passed for being NORMAL for SOooooooooooo long is actualy quite INSANE! :10_1_19::yes:

All situations have POTENTIAL and can be made BETTER by creative use of the resorces at hand and using them in diferent ways!:alberteinstein:

It is more often than not the stress of new situations ,often hard ones that inspires imagination to solve problems and try solutions that were unthinkable under old paradigns untill they failed. :ahhhhh::afraid:

Make the best of what ever comes :yes: and share information and discoveries that may help others :yes: WE can build it BETTER and WILL :hahaha: once the CLUTTER and CORUPTION have been cleared so a new FOUNDATION can be layed! :2:

IF we truely LEARN from the PASSED and go far enough back we will see that the FUTURE is what the passed WAS befor we went and SCREWED it all up! :alberteinstein::yes::4_1_72::36_11_6:

TIME is an ilusion, a DISTORTION in perception caused by the effect of GRAVITY! :alberteinstein:

The power a government has over people is the POWER people SURENDER to the GOVERNMENT.:thumb.aspx:

Change your MIND and you change your REALITY/WORLD! :shine:

It does not physicly change BUT you relate to IT diferently and THAT changes EVERY THING for you and in a radiating effect for the others around you WHO begin to vibrate to the higher harmonic as your life energy merges with theres.:shine::36_3_13:

Basicly the GOLDEN RULE works at all levels of REALITY :yes: but we all tend to get cought up in our emotions and wants and needs so much that we IGNORE the LAW and suffer the CONCIQUENCES!:ahhhhh::afraid::goodnight:

Try not to judge others too harsley --- we have all been swiming in the CESSPOOL and the stink is on us all:yes::4_1_72::36_1_25:

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All of this spewing and vitriol overlooks one tiny detail: The bankers didn't do anything illegal.

Well, maybe, just a few things, like:

1. Forging and fabricating documents to prove ownership of homes that are subsequently stolen from borrowers. In addition, MERS, the banks' mortgage database system, was and is used for illegally transferring mortgages and evade local taxes and filing requirements. Have you tried to evade taxes lately?

2. Under the Sarbanes-Oxley law, every bank CEO and CFO in the country must certify under penalty of law that her or his corporation's financials are in good shape. They must also state that they personally have put adequate financial controls in place. Why have none of them been prosecuted, despite overwhelming evidence that the majority of them broke this law?

3. Former VP of Countrywide, Senior Vice President Eileen Foster says she uncovered widespread fraud within Countrywide and tried to present that information to investigators. She also says she was discouraged from speaking to investigators by Bank of America, which purchased Countrywide. That suggests even more criminal activity within one of one of the country's largest banks. Eric Holder and the Justice Department were notified but refused to investigate.

4. Citigroup exec Richard Bowen demonstrated conclusively that he gave senior Citi execs which including former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, information to know that they were making false representations in Sarbanes-Oxley documents and to investors. Caught with their pants down, yet the Justice Department failed to investigate, much less indict.

That is just a few of many crimes of corruption that are apparently being quashed by the Justice Department. The evidence of crime and corruption are there, on the surface, for the taking. The whistleblowers are legion, yet are being ignored by law enforcement. It is clear that enough provable crimes have been committed to put the whole bunch of them in the slammer. When I hear someone say that "they committed no crimes", I could just puke.:vollkommenauf:
 

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All of this spewing and vitriol overlooks one tiny detail: The bankers didn't do anything illegal.

Well, maybe, just a few things, like:

1. Forging and fabricating documents to prove ownership of homes that are subsequently stolen from borrowers. In addition, MERS, the banks' mortgage database system, was and is used for illegally transferring mortgages and evade local taxes and filing requirements. Have you tried to evade taxes lately?

2. Under the Sarbanes-Oxley law, every bank CEO and CFO in the country must certify under penalty of law that her or his corporation's financials are in good shape. They must also state that they personally have put adequate financial controls in place. Why have none of them been prosecuted, despite overwhelming evidence that the majority of them broke this law?

3. Former VP of Countrywide, Senior Vice President Eileen Foster says she uncovered widespread fraud within Countrywide and tried to present that information to investigators. She also says she was discouraged from speaking to investigators by Bank of America, which purchased Countrywide. That suggests even more criminal activity within one of one of the country's largest banks. Eric Holder and the Justice Department were notified but refused to investigate.

4. Citigroup exec Richard Bowen demonstrated conclusively that he gave senior Citi execs which including former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, information to know that they were making false representations in Sarbanes-Oxley documents and to investors. Caught with their pants down, yet the Justice Department failed to investigate, much less indict.

That is just a few of many crimes of corruption that are apparently being quashed by the Justice Department. The evidence of crime and corruption are there, on the surface, for the taking. The whistleblowers are legion, yet are being ignored by law enforcement. It is clear that enough provable crimes have been committed to put the whole bunch of them in the slammer. When I hear someone say that "they committed no crimes", I could just puke.
Back when I worked in IT, a former co-worker landed a job in 2003 working for a company (I cannot recall the name), which maintained three separate data centers; one each in CA, CO and TX, along with off-site backup, for every single mortgage title in the U.S. going back 100 years.

At the time I had no idea as to the rationale for digitizing all of these mortgage titles, but as the MBS fiasco has unfolded, I now clearly see that the purpose was to streamline the re-packaging of titles for use in investment tranches.

Additionally, as my own mortgage/foreclosure battle with JPM/Chase has progressed, I learned that it is (and has been) standard policy to shred documents with wet-ink signatures.

All of this may be "legal" because fed and state DOJs will not enforce it, and again, one needs to follow the trail of debt (CA.gov holds Billions of FRNs in MBS).

The bribes and slush funds have blinded justice to the point that there is no rule of law, and the lawyers have quashed the spirit of the law in favor of re-writing the letter of the law to the benefit of the banksters and those beneficiaries, including the judges, federal and state AGs.

The system has been perverted and corrupted from within, is institutionally beyond repair, and would require a complete purge and reset for any semblance of positive change.

As to the death penalty? We the People should start with those in the Judiciary and Law Enforcement who took a Constitutional oath to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Replace the enforcers and judges with honest and incorruptible individuals, and we will begin to see some justice.

Iceland appears to have accomplished something similar to this.
 

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Back when I worked in IT, a former co-worker landed a job in 2003 working for a company (I cannot recall the name), which maintained three separate data centers; one each in CA, CO and TX, along with off-site backup, for every single mortgage title in the U.S. going back 100 years.

At the time I had no idea as to the rationale for digitizing all of these mortgage titles, but as the MBS fiasco has unfolded, I now clearly see that the purpose was to streamline the re-packaging of titles for use in investment tranches.

Additionally, as my own mortgage/foreclosure battle with JPM/Chase has progressed, I learned that it is (and has been) standard policy to shred documents with wet-ink signatures.

All of this may be "legal" because fed and state DOJs will not enforce it, and again, one needs to follow the trail of debt (CA.gov holds Billions of FRNs in MBS).

The bribes and slush funds have blinded justice to the point that there is no rule of law, and the lawyers have quashed the spirit of the law in favor of re-writing the letter of the law to the benefit of the banksters and those beneficiaries, including the judges, federal and state AGs.

The system has been perverted and corrupted from within, is institutionally beyond repair, and would require a complete purge and reset for any semblanc Re: Should Corrupt Bankers Face the Death Penalty?
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All of this spewing and vitriol overlooks one tiny detail: The bankers didn't do anything illegal.

Well, maybe, just a few things, like:

1. Forging and fabricating documents to prove ownership of homes that are subsequently stolen from borrowers. In addition, MERS, the banks' mortgage database system, was and is used for illegally transferring mortgages and evade local taxes and filing requirements. Have you tried to evade taxes lately?

2. Under the Sarbanes-Oxley law, every bank CEO and CFO in the country must certify under penalty of law that her or his corporation's financials are in good shape. They must also state that they personally have put adequate financial controls in place. Why have none of them been prosecuted, despite overwhelming evidence that the majority of them broke this law?

3. Former VP of Countrywide, Senior Vice President Eileen Foster says she uncovered widespread fraud within Countrywide and tried to present that information to investigators. She also says she was discouraged from speaking to investigators by Bank of America, which purchased Countrywide. That suggests even more criminal activity within one of one of the country's largest banks. Eric Holder and the Justice Department were notified but refused to investigate.

4. Citigroup exec Richard Bowen demonstrated conclusively that he gave senior Citi execs which including former Treasury Secretary Robert Rubin, information to know that they were making false representations in Sarbanes-Oxley documents and to investors. Caught with their pants down, yet the Justice Department failed to investigate, much less indict.

That is just a few of many crimes of corruption that are apparently being quashed by the Justice Department. The evidence of crime and corruption are there, on the surface, for the taking. The whistleblowers are legion, yet are being ignored by law enforcement. It is clear that enough provable crimes have been committed to put the whole bunch of them in the slammer. When I hear someone say that "they committed no crimes", I could just puke.
Back when I worked in IT, a former co-worker landed a job in 2003 working for a company (I cannot recall the name), which maintained three separate data centers; one each in CA, CO and TX, along with off-site backup, for every single mortgage title in the U.S. going back 100 years.

At the time I had no idea as to the rationale for digitizing all of these mortgage titles, but as the MBS fiasco has unfolded, I now clearly see that the purpose was to streamline the re-packaging of titles for use in investment tranches.

Additionally, as my own mortgage/foreclosure battle with JPM/Chase has progressed, I learned that it is (and has been) standard policy to shred documents with wet-ink signatures.

All of this may be "legal" because fed and state DOJs will not enforce it, and again, one needs to follow the trail of debt (CA.gov holds Billions of FRNs in MBS).

The bribes and slush funds have blinded justice to the point that there is no rule of law, and the lawyers have quashed the spirit of the law in favor of re-writing the letter of the law to the benefit of the banksters and those beneficiaries, including the judges, federal and state AGs.

The system has been perverted and corrupted from within, is institutionally beyond repair, and would require a complete purge and reset for any semblance of positive change.

e of positive change.

As to the death penalty? We the People should start with those in the Judiciary and Law Enforcement who took a Constitutional oath to defend against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

Replace the enforcers and judges with honest and incorruptible individuals, and we will begin to see some justice.

Iceland appears to have accomplished something similar to this.
QWAK,Aurumag, YES!:thumbs_up: "The system has been perverted and corrupted from within, is institutionally beyond repair, and would require a complete purge and reset for any semblance of positive change." :thumbs_up:

They have created a situation SOoooooooooooooo FOULED UP and CORRUPT that there are only two options --- JUBALEE Debt FORGIVNESS:36_3_13::shine::23_30_104: or GLOBAL WAR! :ahhhhh::afraid::vollkommenauf::goodnight:

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We should have started throwing them off overpasses in 2008 but American idol was on.
 

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We should have started throwing them off overpasses in 2008 but American idol was on.
QWAK,Irons,Good IMMAGERY but BAD idea :idea: -- do you want to be the next car to go under that overpass and hit a 300 LB BANKER ? :ahhhhh::afraid::vollkommenauf:

I dbout they BOUNCE very well:hmmmm2: and with PLASTIC grills on cars and car frames that CRUMPLE for shure your car would be TOTALED!:idea:

NO with out there WEALTH they are just WORMS -- pitfull excuses for HUMAN BEINGS! :(:realmad:

Let them be street BUMBS living in card board boxes and offerng to wash the windows of cars so they can afford a bottle of cheep wine!:thumbs_down:

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We should have started throwing them off overpasses in 2008 but American idol was on.
Prince Barry's NDAA comes to mind:

How would you like to be black-bagged, secreted away, summarily convicted by a star chamber and lynched within a day?

Common Law, proper indictments habeus corpus and due process still exist (in spirit) for the benefit of all Americans.

However, when it comes to high treason under color of authority, then the process arguably should be streamlined for those who swore and violated their oaths, in order to maintain order and faith in our leadership.

Again, NDAA comes to mind within the context of "What's good for the goose is good for the gander."

Anyone recall the lot of Haman from the Bible Book Esther? He and his entire family were hung on the gallows he built for his adversary.