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Tesla in ‘Code Red Situation’ as Sell-Off Exceeds 20%

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TSLA - 188 is about where support should kick in. If the month closes below that she is in immediate trouble! Shorts should cover @ 188 and you could see 270 odd on the rally and quite quickly. I'd be wary and cover quickly down here and sell the next rally as it looks toppy.

JMO. 2c FWIW.

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Garbage co so stock is still ridiculously overpriced.
 

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Cool how it bounced off support like that. Next stop?
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I made a quick dime going long after an earlier selloff and then getting out.
I think they will pull through eventually as sales in China ramp up. But not gonna try catching a falling knife.
 

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It seems that nearly every tree hugging liberal that has two nickels to rub together has bought one around here. I just laugh as I see yet another one of those Teslas on a flat bed going back to the repair shop.
 

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TSLA - 188 is about where support should kick in. If the month closes below that she is in immediate trouble! Shorts should cover @ 188 and you could see 270 odd on the rally and quite quickly. I'd be wary and cover quickly down here and sell the next rally as it looks toppy.

JMO. 2c FWIW.

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We are getting back into shorting territory IMO. Short term upside should be limited and downside is more probable. Tight stops if you do, this could develop into an inverse head and shoulders pattern (bullish). I can't see that given the debt this puppy holds but... the market is nutty on occasion and this stock has its 'religious followers that make it a dangerous short to tackle. JMO DYODD etc.

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Keep in mind that it has broken that down trend line, this may turn out to be a short term trade, say to back test the trend.

We are getting back into shorting territory IMO. Short term upside should be limited and downside is more probable. Tight stops if you do, this could develop into an inverse head and shoulders pattern (bullish). I can't see that given the debt this puppy holds but... the market is nutty on occasion and this stock has its 'religious followers that make it a dangerous short to tackle. JMO DYODD etc.

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fyi, resistance should be at 255-260, ie coming right up, giving you the entry point if you want
 

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Too risky for old Mr P.
I’m sticking with my dividend checks from the good folks at F.
 

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We are getting back into shorting territory IMO. Short term upside should be limited and downside is more probable. Tight stops if you do, this could develop into an inverse head and shoulders pattern (bullish). I can't see that given the debt this puppy holds but... the market is nutty on occasion and this stock has its 'religious followers that make it a dangerous short to tackle. JMO DYODD etc.

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Now we are coming up on support. Look out for a bounce off that ~219 area. If we rebreak that down trend, now acting as support, then it is probably new lows. A bounce off that trend will be read as bullish. This thing could get choppy here across the middle of the 200's. I'd not marry any position, short or long for a little while. JMO.

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Its about time investors figured out Elon musk was not worth a shit. What would you expect from a south african jew?
 

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Total fanboys, TIFWIW, but what interests me is the massive short position.
Is someone suppressing this stock ala gold market suppression?

 

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Weekly Chart. 182 is now key. Close below that and we can expect 150 or 120. The previous move down suggests that 120 is totally doable on the next move down. Still need to be wary of a back of tendline bounce, that would be bullish. I will evaluate that when we get there, but for now I remain bearish on TSLA.

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Walmart Suing Tesla for Alleged Solar Panel Fires
Tesla (TSLA) seems to be facing more big trouble today. This time, the problem isn’t the criticism surrounding CEO Elon Musk lately, but it’s no less serious for the company. On August 20, US retail giant Walmart (WMT) sued Tesla after seven Tesla solar panels “allegedly caught fire,” CNBC reported, citing a court filing. The solar panels that allegedly caught fire had been installed on Walmart roofs.

The Walmart-Tesla solar partnership
Walmart’s decision to sue Tesla today was even more surprising since the companies have worked together closely to promote renewable energy. “More than 240 Walmart stores have Tesla solar systems installed,” the CNBC report claimed.

Plus, Walmart has also placed orders for Tesla’s upcoming heavy-duty electric trucks. Notably, the retail giant initially pre-ordered 15 electric trucks in November 2017, soon after Tesla announced the model. Later, in September 2018, Walmart tripled its Tesla Semi reservations to 45 units...

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Wonder what the difference between a tesla solar panel and others are, in that some of these catch fire?

solar has been around long enough, without evidence of substantial problems with fires?
 

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Wonder what the difference between a tesla solar panel and others are, in that some of these catch fire?

solar has been around long enough, without evidence of substantial problems with fires?
I dunno, but it's a theme. Tesla's stuff likes to burn, the stock included. JMO

Looking good for another weak session.
 

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Wonder what the difference between a tesla solar panel and others are, in that some of these catch fire?

solar has been around long enough, without evidence of substantial problems with fires?
The difference appears to be shoddy workmanship and poorly installed systems.

Pretty good answer to your question in this vid.

Published on Aug 21, 2019
I just read all of the lawsuit papers between Walmart & Tesla for alleged TERRIBLE quality work by Tesla on Walmart Solar Panels -- this is worse than it sounds.
 

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IDK

these people who make these videos, some of them act as if they're putting on a 20 minute variety show that includes:
Trivia, Entertainment, Jokes...and somewhere in between all of that, you can sense their intellect and perhaps you'll get some answers, you may have to string them together to get the full picture, and that takes patience and time...


it's difficult to point out exactly where the intellect is...but it's there


Can I have a do over?
 

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perhaps you'll get some answers,
What he is saying is what has been said in the lawsuit documents by walmart and tesla. Did you watch it?
 

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these people who make these videos
that is why I never watch vids,
don't click on them or go to them,

prefer to read and consume or not, at my pace, ie speed read

that is my loss, but I'm ok with it
 

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What he is saying is what has been said in the lawsuit documents by walmart and tesla. Did you watch it?
I watched the entire video, from Beginning to End, hence my professional opinion

why the need, from many of these vloggers, to start from the 'beginning'? Why the need to 'rehash'? Why the need to 'entertain'?

If I were to teach the alphabet to a 3 year old, I would address it in such a manner, I even taught it backwards to a 3+ year old by utilizing the art of 'fun'

We're not 3 year olds...I realize he's 'trying', i get that, but I'm not a 3 year old and I find, by the time most of the vloggers are done, 10 minutes minimum, I've covered triple that amount of information by floating around on-line, reading threads, watching charts, checking news feeds...idk, I hate rehasing what i already know

Why the defense of this character? He's not that good, not like that Aussie with the attitude...he makes me laugh and that includes all the bad edits he has, as if he often makes mistakes...but what do I know...a lot!

eh, to each his own and i'm good,

imho, id be gooder than this guy but that ain't what i do...he's not bad, he just doesn't stick out from anyone else, quite literally, many of these vloggers do the exact same thing.

I think it's to extend their video time, they think it makes them look 'intelligent', 'an in-depth vlogger', but I think it reflects poorly on what they think of their audience

If we've gotta cointinually act as if No One Else is On Board, we're quite literally never going to proceed down the tracks



my 2¢, that's all
 

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that is why I never watch vids,
don't click on them or go to them,

prefer to read and consume or not, at my pace, ie speed read

that is my loss, but I'm ok with it
Just posted it because it answered your question of what's the dif with a tesla solar panel, that they catch fire.

I tried looking for the actual court filings on it, but couldn't locate them.
...but a brief synopsis is that a lot of it is bad connections in the wiring and panels themselves that cause high resistance connections. Which then lead to overheating and arcing. Wal-Mart also alleges that the workers who installed them were not properly trained in standard industry practices. Ie: tesla did their work on the cheap and didn't stand behind their work. They're trying to say it ain't their fault.

Oh, and at least one of the fires started after the system had been disconnected.

We're not 3 year olds...I realize he's 'trying', i get that, but I'm not a 3 year old and I find, by the time most of the vloggers are done, 10 minutes minimum, I've covered triple that amount of information by floating around on-line, reading threads, watching charts, checking news feeds...idk, I hate rehasing what i already know
You should try to remember that not everyone knows the details before watching something like that. If he didn't lay the groundwork out first, too many people would be left with too many questions. I thought he presented the information in a very thorough and articulate manner that answered the questions posed. If what walmart alleges in their suit is true, tesla is obviously not doing their job correctly.
Also, as the guy said, oftentimes the devil is in the details. Details that are not included with any of the news articles i've seen on this issue.
 

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he's also a guy who started the video out saying the 'details' are worse than what he knew and maybe he'll have to sell some of his Tesla stock

He's convinced this is 'terrible' but he has to spend 28 minutes telling us why he may react to it

the inability to be decisive, even while being entertaining, is but a sign of weakness and if his suggesting to others they may need to sell their shares, because of what he's now discovered, would be illegal...

LOL

To me it's just more of an indication of where we are as a society, just on another plane of awareness

Not trying to detract, simply trying to add, and my q to those who are 'behind' in the dissemination of information, that's not really my fault, but, i'll add, i'm not negating that, i'm just no longer in complete acceptance of that condition, I have to move forward, if we are stuck on 'kindergarden' because others can't 'keep up', how will we ever move forward?

Those who are 'behind' will have to learn to 'keep up' and even that is a human condition...my griping about this video won't change that aspect of humanity one bit...but perhaps it'll get others to look at shit in another manner...to not be so accepting of 'mildly tepid' and 'repetitous'

lol
and i get stoned...LOL

no attitude from me, i'm just conversing...have a beer with me
my treat

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those who are 'behind' in the dissemination of information, that's not really my fault, but, i'll add, i'm not negating that, i'm just no longer in complete acceptance of that condition, I have to move forward, if we are stuck on 'kindergarden' because others can't 'keep up', how will we ever move forward?
To be fair, all I knew of this suit was the little bit posted above. Until then, I had never heard anything about the fires caused by tesla's solar panels.
....and was left with the same question scorp had regarding what's different about teslas's panels. Saw the vid and liked that it gave details as to why they caught fire. Thought I would share for those interested in understanding why they caught fire in the first place. (Tesla's shoddy work)



i'm just conversing.
Me too.
 

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To be fair, all I knew of this suit was the little bit posted above. Until then, I had never heard anything about the fires caused by tesla's solar panels.
....and was left with the same question scorp had regarding what's different about teslas's panels. Saw the vid and liked that it gave details as to why they caught fire. Thought I would share for those interested in understanding why they caught fire in the first place. (Tesla's shoddy work)



Me too.
Since you put it that way...i often don't stop to consider it all...i don't miss much, even self correction

my bedside manner sometimes sucks, but, i'll keep running and i'll leave some bread-crumbs for those behind to follow...mostly empty beer bottles but, i'll leave some full for the others

LOL

it was a good conversation but now it's just a point of self-reflection ...


o.k., me too

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that is why I never watch vids,
don't click on them or go to them,

prefer to read and consume or not, at my pace, ie speed read

that is my loss, but I'm ok with it
If the topic interests me, I'll watch videos at 2x speed.
 

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Saw a surprising number of Teslas in Shanghai (PRC) last week. None in Taipei (ROC).
Also a very marked uptick in electric bicycles & scooters compared to 5 years ago.
PRC is going all in on electric vehicles.
 

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when you review it all, it is interesting,
if what JK posted re lack of quality is acccurate, it opens the door to all manner of discussions,

the place is run by a marketing guy, a idea guy, a showman

and it was built from the ground up with that in mind,

it was not built using 'blocking and tackling' business acumen and proving in the market you are the best before expansion

so the whole organization could in fact be infected with a virus, a virus wherein no one really knows how to hire, fire, create processes, create max eff production environments along with quality control.

seems as though if one were to dig into it, it could be a case study in snowflake business procedures.

if you watch John Deere build a tractor, Cat build a machine, or another who makes cupcakes, they all have a common theme. The production environment is very integrated with quality control throughout.
 

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he place is run by a marketing guy, a idea guy, a showman

and it was built from the ground up with that in mind,

it was not built using 'blocking and tackling' business acumen and proving in the market you are the best before expansion
Agree, their process is crap and Musk is flying by the seat of his pants, hard to make quality when the boss is insane.
And yet they somehow managed to make one of the safest cars ever tested.
Quite the paradox.

https://insideevs.com/news/340159/n...-probability-of-injury-of-any-tested-vehicle/

NHTSA On Tesla Model 3: Lowest Probability Of Injury Of Any Tested Vehicle


OCT 08, 2018 at 7:57AM

Eric Loveday


As predicted by Elon Musk, the Tesla Model 3 has the lowest probability of injury of any car ever tested by the NHTSA.

More Tesla / NHTSA News

Tesla Claims Most Complaints To The NHTSA Are Fake Tesla Model 3 Gets 5-Star Safety Rating From NHTSA
It aced all of the crash tests a couple weeks ago and now, after the release of the full data, we discover that the Model 3 is actually the safest car tested by the NHTSA. Of course, Musk foreshadowed this in a Tweet awhile back, too:


Elon Musk

@elonmusk
.@NHTSAgov will post final safety probability stats soon. Model 3 has a shot at being safest car ever tested.

In its recently released report, Tesla states:

Based on the advanced architecture of Model S and Model X, which were previously found by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) to have the lowest and second lowest probabilities of injury of all cars ever tested, we engineered Model 3 to be the safest car ever built. Now, not only has Model 3 achieved a perfect 5-star safety rating in every category and sub-category, but NHTSA’s tests also show that it has the lowest probability of injury of all cars the safety agency has ever tested.
So, the Model 3 is now the safest, but believe it or not the next 2 safest cars are Teslas, too:

NHTSA’s previous tests of Model S and Model X still hold the record for the second and third lowest probabilities of injury, making Tesla vehicles the best ever rated by NHTSA.
We should point out that the NHTSA tested the Model 3 Long Range Rear-Wheel Drive as part of its New Car Assessment Program.

m3-nhtsa-blog-09272018
The Model 3 scored top marks in every single tested category. Beyond that, the Model 3 comes equipped with every NHTSA-recommend safety technology as standard equipment, meaning you don’t have to tick an option box to get a safer Model 3. Every 3 is as safe as the next.

Safety has always been paramount at Tesla, so no surprise here. It was way back in 2013 when the Tesla Model S earned crazy high marks from the NHTSA and now it seems with the Model 3, Tesla has raised the bar again.

Model 3 owners should be thrilled now knowing that the vehicle they drive is basically the safest car on the planet, according to the NHTSA.

Check out these new safety-related videos released by Tesla:

https://player.vimeo.com/video/292177900?

https://player.vimeo.com/video/291143444?

https://player.vimeo.com/video/292172363?

https://player.vimeo.com/video/291143316?

Full release from Tesla below:

Model 3 achieves the lowest probability of injury of any vehicle ever tested by NHTSA

The Tesla Team October 7, 2018
Based on the advanced architecture of Model S and Model X, which were previously found by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) to have the lowest and second lowest probabilities of injury of all cars ever tested, we engineered Model 3 to be the safest car ever built. Now, not only has Model 3 achieved a perfect 5-star safety rating in every category and sub-category, but NHTSA’s tests also show that it has the lowest probability of injury of all cars the safety agency has ever tested.

NHTSA tested Model 3 Long Range Rear-Wheel Drive as part of its New Car Assessment Program, a series of crash tests used to calculate the likelihood of serious bodily injury for front, side and rollover crashes. The agency’s data shows that vehicle occupants are less likely to get seriously hurt in these types of crashes when in a Model 3 than in any other car. NHTSA’s previous tests of Model S and Model X still hold the record for the second and third lowest probabilities of injury, making Tesla vehicles the best ever rated by NHTSA. We expect similar results for other Model 3 variants, including our dual-motor vehicles, when they are rated.

What makes Model 3 safe? In addition to its near 50/50 weight distribution, Model 3 was also designed with an extremely low polar moment of inertia, which means that its heaviest components are located closer to the car’s center of gravity. Even though Model 3 has no engine, its performance is similar to what’s described as a “mid-engine car” due to its centered battery pack (the heaviest component of the car) and the fact that Model 3’s rear motor is placed slightly in front of the rear axle rather than behind it. Not only does this architecture add to the overall agility and handling of the car, it also improves the capability of stability control by minimizing rotational kinetic energy.

Like Model S and Model X, Model 3 benefits from its all-electric architecture and powertrain design, which consists of a strong, rigid passenger compartment, fortified battery pack, and overall low center of gravity. These safety fundamentals help to prevent intrusion into the cabin and battery modules, reduce rollover risk, and distribute crash forces systematically away from the cabin – all while providing the foundation for our superior front crumple zone that is optimized to absorb energy and crush more efficiently. Here, you can see how the orange internal combustion engine block is thrust towards the cabin during a frontal impact test:

We also added state of the art features and new innovations in crash structure design, restraints and airbags, and battery safety to the core of Model 3’s design:

In frontal crashes, Model 3’s efficient front crumple zone carefully controls the deceleration of occupants, while its advanced restraint system complements this with pre-tensioners and load-limiters that keep occupants safely in place. Specially designed passenger airbags are shaped to protect an occupant’s head in angled or offset crashes, and active vents dynamically adjust the internal pressure of the frontal airbags to optimize protection based on the unique characteristics of the crash. Front and knee airbags and a collapsible steering column work to further reduce injury, all contributing to Model 3’s 5-star rating in frontal impact.

In pole impact crashes, in which a narrow obstruction impacts the car between the main crash rails, energy-absorbing lateral and diagonal beam structures work to mitigate the impact. This includes a high-strength aluminum bumper beam, a sway bar placed low and forward in the front of the car, cross-members at the front of the steel subframe that are connected to the main crash rails, and additional diagonal beams in the subframe that distribute energy back to the crash rails when they aren’t directly impacted. An ultra-high strength martensitic steel beam is also attached to the top of the front suspension to further absorb crash energy from severe impacts, and the rear part of the subframe is shaped like a “U” and buckles down when impacted. These structures continue to be effective even when a front motor is added for Model 3 Dual-Motor All-Wheel Drive, due to the fact that the subframe is designed to pull the nose of the motor down and out of the way.

Model 3 also has the lowest intrusion from side pole impact of any vehicle tested by NHTSA. Unlike frontal crashes, there is little room for crumple zone in a side impact, so we patented our own pillar structures and side sills to absorb as much energy as possible in a very short distance. These structures work alongside the vehicle’s rigid body and fortified battery architecture to further reduce and prevent compartment intrusion. With less intrusion into the cabin, our side airbags have more space to inflate and cushion the occupants inside.

Rollover accidents are a significant contributor to injuries and deaths on U.S. roads. Tesla’s vehicle architecture is fundamentally designed to have a very low center of gravity, which is accomplished by placing the heavy battery pack and electric motors as close to the ground as possible. In the event that a rollover does occur, our internal tests show that the Model 3 body structure can withstand roof-crush loads equivalent to more than four times its own weight and with very little structural deformation. NHTSA’s standards only require that cars withstand loads of three times their own weight.

Many companies try to build cars that perform well in crash tests, and every car company claims their vehicles are safe. But when a crash happens in real life, these test results show that if you are driving a Tesla, you have the best chance of avoiding serious injury.
 

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if you are driving a Tesla, you have the best chance of avoiding serious injury.
Sounds like more fake news to me. No doubt the NHTSA is compromised. No way I'd believe anything from that crew.
 

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Does the Tesla have a Fire Rating Code?
the NHTSA is behind the curve, it's needs a new category for automotive vehicles:
A Fire Rating Code and since Elon and his company seem to enjoy setting fires in a multitude of ways, it only makes sense to have this type of rating for his cars
 

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I feel more bullish about Tesla now that China built them a factory. Consumer reports doesn't like them because to many little problems, but the drive train and battery seem pretty solid.
 

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True, it happens, just look at the fords, largest recall in history, people were amazed, still are.
https://www.bigclassaction.com/lawsuit/cruise_control_fires.php

But, people EXPECT this from all the 'sheep-people' car manufacturers, not from this pos, up his butt, slick-willie salesman elitist idiot who's so deep in debt, his cars are so bad, he's making them in China (HELLO:band player 3: ), but he's got enough money to now push a million dollars into planting trees...
(HELLO :band player 3: )

Elon's actually telling US to NOT LOOK at his pos car line but rather LOOK AT HIM, the boy genius...what a farce, what a pos vehicle, what a criminal


my 2¢

Elon is a con man...
 

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Tesla has won.
 

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#78
I expect Tesla to merge with Govt. Motors.
 

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#79
Maybe Tesla survives, maybe not. Most people who own one though love them. Sure they got some kinks to work out like spontaneous combustion but gotta start somewhere.
 

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#80
Very curious about the sudden sharp jump of Tesla price from 250 to 330$. It was a 1.5 billion dollar loss for the shorts. Even Zacks was recommending Tesla on their short sell list? Some analysts are calling for a 3500$ price target. Well with an accommodative fed and basically a government giving unlimited hand outs to select few car makers, their 3550 Tesla price may be achievable. Why not give away one Tesla per family to all Americans. That way Tesla will be forever in business and the feds will have 100% employment.