• "Spreading the ideas of freedom loving people on matters regarding high finance, politics, constructionist Constitution, and mental masturbation of all types"

the 19 year old white nba phenom that you've never heard of

newmisty

Splodey-Headed
Midas Member
Site Supporter ++
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
24,308
Likes
33,857
Location
Qmerica
#41

TAEZZAR

LADY JUSTICE ISNT BLIND, SHES JUST AFRAID TO WATCH
Midas Member
Midas Supporter
Joined
Apr 2, 2010
Messages
14,517
Likes
25,101
Location
ORYGUN
#42
It is a disease of sorts. It took down the Roman Empire, preoccupation of sports. It is so bad here that people take off work to go to a "game".
They pay outrageous fees to park, to get into the bleachers & a king's ransom for a beer & a hotdog. It costs a family of 4, a weeks income to go to a game. Movie stars, pro ball players & politicians live a high life off the public with little return for what they take.
And on top of that, we (tax dollars) have to buy them a stadium to play in. Considering the amount of money they demand, they damned well ought to pay their own way !
 

EO 11110

Posting from Epstein Island
Site Supporter
Mother Lode
Joined
Jul 31, 2010
Messages
13,685
Likes
10,122
#43
The top 20 NBA scoring leaders gives me 3 “mulattos” and 1 foreigner (black guy)

American blacks aren’t being replaced on the basketball ball court.
you have it exactly wrong. i'll just drop this nugget about foreign replacement and not go into all of the white/black hybrids.

there is also a growing contingent of immigrants that are being counted as 'american'. truth be told, they are converted or first generation citizens -- so they completely lack any american heritage

http://www.nba.com/article/2018/10/...ational-players-start-season-official-release

NBA rosters feature 108 international players from 42 countries and territories

Fifth consecutive season NBA has at least 100 players

NEW YORK – The National Basketball Association (NBA) announced today that 108 international players from a record-tying 42 countries and territories are on opening-night rosters for the 2018-19 season. This marks the fifth consecutive season that opening-night rosters feature at least 100 international players and that all 30 teams have at least one international player.

The record for international players (113) and record for countries and territories represented (42) were set at the start of the 2016-17 and 2017-18 seasons, respectively.

The Dallas Mavericks have an NBA-high seven international players. The Utah Jazz and LA Clippers each have six. The Boston Celtics, New York Knicks, Oklahoma City Thunder, Philadelphia 76ers and San Antonio Spurs field five each.
 
Last edited:

Mr Paradise

Midas Member
Midas Member
Joined
Dec 3, 2011
Messages
8,089
Likes
8,890
Location
Lake Superior
#45
The NBA wants to eventually have a global league(s) like soccer.

I agree the league has more foreign players than twenty years ago but much of that is based on marketing, salaries $$$ and the NBA evolving into a softer “euro style” league.

A large percentage of the top tier players will remain American for many years to come.
 

Area51

Silver Miner
Seeker
Joined
Oct 23, 2012
Messages
1,494
Likes
1,081
#46
Jordan had more 50+ point games than any player in NBA history. And it's not even remotely close.

Ultimately though, Jordan is unquestionably the greatest ever because of performance in championship games.

SIX (6) appearances in the finals.
SIX (6) championship rings.
SIX (6) Finals MVP awards.
 

EO 11110

Posting from Epstein Island
Site Supporter
Mother Lode
Joined
Jul 31, 2010
Messages
13,685
Likes
10,122
#47
Jordan was a great two point scorer and defender. his three was weak, so they moved the line in for him. that leaves plenty of room for complete players to be better than him.
 

EO 11110

Posting from Epstein Island
Site Supporter
Mother Lode
Joined
Jul 31, 2010
Messages
13,685
Likes
10,122
#48
The NBA wants to eventually have a global league(s) like soccer.

I agree the league has more foreign players than twenty years ago but much of that is based on marketing, salaries $$$ and the NBA evolving into a softer “euro style” league.

A large percentage of the top tier players will remain American for many years to come.
math changed the league. shooting 33% from three is same as shooting the MUCH COVETED 50% from two. 33% from three is not hard for skilled shooters. see the EXPLOSION of the three point attempts and makes for proof of what's changed the style of play.

whites and white/black hybrids are overrepresented in long-ball shooting skill in the nba.

that says american blacks (as a whole) lack the skill to hold their jobs in a league that's gone long ball crazy. there just aren't enough of them that can shoot it good enough to keep out the guys that are taking their jobs.

to your point, perhaps this is the plan by nyc.nba? more focus on three point shooting skill being used to rejigger the demographics of the thing?
 
Last edited:

Area51

Silver Miner
Seeker
Joined
Oct 23, 2012
Messages
1,494
Likes
1,081
#49
Jordan was a great two point scorer and defender. his three was weak, so they moved the line in for him. that leaves plenty of room for complete players to be better than him.
Let's be honest here - - Jordan was eviscerating the NBA with his unstoppable driving and explosiveness LONG before the 3pt line was changed.

And the NBA only moved the 3pt line in for a grand total of THREE (3) seasons.

The first year of the change, Jordan missed all but 17 games due to his gambling suspension.

In 95/96 and 96/97 Jordan's scoring totals were not affected by the shorter 3pt line - - his six highest scoring seasons were BEFORE the 3pt line change.

It's cute rhetoric but unfortunately it doesn't have any merit.
 

Area51

Silver Miner
Seeker
Joined
Oct 23, 2012
Messages
1,494
Likes
1,081
#50
math changed the league. shooting 33% from three is same as shooting the MUCH COVETED 50% from two. 33% from three is not hard for skilled shooters. see the EXPLOSION of the three point attempts and makes for proof of what's changed the style of play.

whites and white/black hybrids are overrepresented in long-ball shooting skill in the nba.

that says american blacks (as a whole) lack the skill to hold their jobs in a league that's gone long ball crazy. there just aren't enough of them that can shoot it good enough to keep out the guys that are taking their jobs.

to your point, perhaps this is the plan by nyc.nba? more focus on three point shooting skill being used to rejigger the demographics of the thing?

Is that what it is?

Or is it that white players don't have the size/strength/athleticism and aren't able to compete in terms of driving the lane or posting up, so the only option is to stand around on the perimeter and shoot long jumpers?
 

EO 11110

Posting from Epstein Island
Site Supporter
Mother Lode
Joined
Jul 31, 2010
Messages
13,685
Likes
10,122
#51
Is that what it is?

Or is it that white players don't have the size/strength/athleticism and aren't able to compete in terms of driving the lane or posting up, so the only option is to stand around on the perimeter and shoot long jumpers?
I generally agree with that statement. American blacks own the dribble drive, and always will. take away that 3 pt line and the jobs will come back in a hurry
 

EO 11110

Posting from Epstein Island
Site Supporter
Mother Lode
Joined
Jul 31, 2010
Messages
13,685
Likes
10,122
#52
Let's be honest here - - Jordan was eviscerating the NBA with his unstoppable driving and explosiveness LONG before the 3pt line was changed.

And the NBA only moved the 3pt line in for a grand total of THREE (3) seasons.

The first year of the change, Jordan missed all but 17 games due to his gambling suspension.

In 95/96 and 96/97 Jordan's scoring totals were not affected by the shorter 3pt line - - his six highest scoring seasons were BEFORE the 3pt line change.

It's cute rhetoric but unfortunately it doesn't have any merit.
dude, you try me again?

http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/62024/mjs-forgotten-advantage-over-lebron

Jordan's forgotten advantage over LeBron
Aug 13, 2013

  • Ethan Sherwood StraussESPN Staff Writer
    Close
    • Covers the Golden State Warriors for ESPN.com
    • Contributes to ESPN's TrueHoop blog
    • Hosts TrueHoop TV Live
    Follow on Twitter
Mike Ehrmann/Nathaniel S. Butler NBAE/Getty Images


Michael Jordan's 3-point shooting was poor -- except during the seasons when the line was shorter.After securing two consecutive NBA Finals MVP awards, LeBron James is finally drawing Michael Jordan comparisons that are actually favorable. In theory, time is on James' side as he’s a year younger than Jordan was when his Bulls steamrolled the Portland Trail Blazers for a second title. After all, if Jordan was able to stay productive into his mid-30s, then LeBron should be similarly blessed. It would seem that James is on pace to match or eclipse MJ's absurdly high level of play in these upcoming years, with no baseball break to slow him down. The battle is on.

But this isn’t exactly a fair generational fight. Unlike MJ, LeBron isn't getting a gigantic, league-sanctioned gift.
AdChoices
ADVERTISEMENT

At the start of the 1994-95 season, in response to fears of a scoring decline, the NBA went from a 3-point line that extended 23 feet, 9 inches, to one that was 22 feet all the way around. The famous "It’s gotta be the shoes!" slogan didn’t actually explain Jordan's basketball genius, but a couple of feet really did help his production.

There’s lore of how an aging MJ stayed on top by refining his post game, but it's often ignored that his latter career prowess had a lot to do with the 3-point line migrating into Jordan's shooting range. For reasons that may always elude me, some players are super accurate from deep midrange but are weak from a step or two farther out. Jordan was one of those guys. Basketball’s least efficient shot, the long jumper, was ridiculously efficient under Jordan’s command, indelibly so when launched over poor Craig Ehlo and Bryon Russell.

On 3s, he wasn’t so Jordan-like. In seasons where he played with the longer 3-pointer, Jordan shot a terrible 28 percent from long range. With this in mind, it’s no wonder he famously shrugged after hitting six 3s in Game 1 of the 1992 Finals. That season, the sport’s greatest player had averaged 0.3 made 3s a game on 27 percent shooting.

When he returned from the baseball diamond to the newly shortened 3-point arc at the end of the 1994-95 season, Jordan's distance shooting was about all that went right over 17 clunky regular-season games and his subsequent playoff exit. His 50 percent 3-point mark that season presaged how an older, more grounded Airness would come to dominate after a summer of sharpening his skills to fit the new rules.

He came back that fall and, at age 32, had one of his greatest seasons. Not only did Jordan’s team famously win 72 games, but MJ posted his most efficient shooting season in five years while claiming his second-best win shares mark. He was less potent inside the arc and less explosive around the rim. But he shot a scalding 42.7 percent from 3. A season later, Jordan's (still good) 37.4 percent 3-point shooting augmented otherwise slipping numbers.

Of the 581 total regular-season 3s Jordan sank over his long career, 238 of them came in the little more than two seasons he played with the short line (1.3 3s a game with a shortened line, and 0.39 3s with a longer line). Credit the greatest player ever for being savvy. When the 3 point-line retreated, he went on the attack, launching shots from distance more frequently while hitting 40 percent of his treys, like a regular Ray Allen. Jordan knew his strengths and his limits. He knew he was deadly from 22 feet and feebly inaccurate from 23 feet.

Perhaps an even greater testament to Jordan’s game was his ability to persevere after the NBA took away his edge. The league reverted to the old 3-point line in Jordan’s final Bulls season and his shooting took a hit. Though he reduced his long attempts significantly, he sank just 23.8 of his triples and suffered a drop in scoring efficiency. Despite
 

DodgebyDave

Metal Messiah
Midas Member
Joined
Mar 30, 2010
Messages
10,764
Likes
11,605
#53
Jordan........was eviscerated by Larry Bird!
 

EO 11110

Posting from Epstein Island
Site Supporter
Mother Lode
Joined
Jul 31, 2010
Messages
13,685
Likes
10,122
#54
there are several CENTERS in today's nba that torch Jordan's three point skill -- and he was a frikkin two guard? greatest of his era -- but all time -- not with that big hole in his game. let him shoot, play the drive
 

Area51

Silver Miner
Seeker
Joined
Oct 23, 2012
Messages
1,494
Likes
1,081
#56
there are several CENTERS in today's nba that torch Jordan's three point skill -- and he was a frikkin two guard? greatest of his era -- but all time -- not with that big hole in his game. let him shoot, play the drive
How many off guards led the league in scoring AND shot over 50% while doing so?

Jordan did it FIVE (5) times.

Not only was he a lethal scoring machine, Jordan was also an incredibly efficient scorer.
 
Last edited:

Area51

Silver Miner
Seeker
Joined
Oct 23, 2012
Messages
1,494
Likes
1,081
#57
dude, you try me again?

http://www.espn.com/blog/truehoop/post/_/id/62024/mjs-forgotten-advantage-over-lebron

Jordan's forgotten advantage over LeBron
Aug 13, 2013

  • Ethan Sherwood StraussESPN Staff Writer
    Close
    • Covers the Golden State Warriors for ESPN.com
    • Contributes to ESPN's TrueHoop blog
    • Hosts TrueHoop TV Live
  • Follow on Twitter

Mike Ehrmann/Nathaniel S. Butler NBAE/Getty Images


Michael Jordan's 3-point shooting was poor -- except during the seasons when the line was shorter.After securing two consecutive NBA Finals MVP awards, LeBron James is finally drawing Michael Jordan comparisons that are actually favorable. In theory, time is on James' side as he’s a year younger than Jordan was when his Bulls steamrolled the Portland Trail Blazers for a second title. After all, if Jordan was able to stay productive into his mid-30s, then LeBron should be similarly blessed. It would seem that James is on pace to match or eclipse MJ's absurdly high level of play in these upcoming years, with no baseball break to slow him down. The battle is on.

But this isn’t exactly a fair generational fight. Unlike MJ, LeBron isn't getting a gigantic, league-sanctioned gift.
AdChoices
ADVERTISEMENT

At the start of the 1994-95 season, in response to fears of a scoring decline, the NBA went from a 3-point line that extended 23 feet, 9 inches, to one that was 22 feet all the way around. The famous "It’s gotta be the shoes!" slogan didn’t actually explain Jordan's basketball genius, but a couple of feet really did help his production.

There’s lore of how an aging MJ stayed on top by refining his post game, but it's often ignored that his latter career prowess had a lot to do with the 3-point line migrating into Jordan's shooting range. For reasons that may always elude me, some players are super accurate from deep midrange but are weak from a step or two farther out. Jordan was one of those guys. Basketball’s least efficient shot, the long jumper, was ridiculously efficient under Jordan’s command, indelibly so when launched over poor Craig Ehlo and Bryon Russell.

On 3s, he wasn’t so Jordan-like. In seasons where he played with the longer 3-pointer, Jordan shot a terrible 28 percent from long range. With this in mind, it’s no wonder he famously shrugged after hitting six 3s in Game 1 of the 1992 Finals. That season, the sport’s greatest player had averaged 0.3 made 3s a game on 27 percent shooting.

When he returned from the baseball diamond to the newly shortened 3-point arc at the end of the 1994-95 season, Jordan's distance shooting was about all that went right over 17 clunky regular-season games and his subsequent playoff exit. His 50 percent 3-point mark that season presaged how an older, more grounded Airness would come to dominate after a summer of sharpening his skills to fit the new rules.

He came back that fall and, at age 32, had one of his greatest seasons. Not only did Jordan’s team famously win 72 games, but MJ posted his most efficient shooting season in five years while claiming his second-best win shares mark. He was less potent inside the arc and less explosive around the rim. But he shot a scalding 42.7 percent from 3. A season later, Jordan's (still good) 37.4 percent 3-point shooting augmented otherwise slipping numbers.

Of the 581 total regular-season 3s Jordan sank over his long career, 238 of them came in the little more than two seasons he played with the short line (1.3 3s a game with a shortened line, and 0.39 3s with a longer line). Credit the greatest player ever for being savvy. When the 3 point-line retreated, he went on the attack, launching shots from distance more frequently while hitting 40 percent of his treys, like a regular Ray Allen. Jordan knew his strengths and his limits. He knew he was deadly from 22 feet and feebly inaccurate from 23 feet.

Perhaps an even greater testament to Jordan’s game was his ability to persevere after the NBA took away his edge. The league reverted to the old 3-point line in Jordan’s final Bulls season and his shooting took a hit. Though he reduced his long attempts significantly, he sank just 23.8 of his triples and suffered a drop in scoring efficiency. Despite
Jordan was unquestionably the most dominant scorer in NBA history and he didn't have to rely on the 3pt shot to do so.

As I explained to you, the shorter 3pt line was in place for a only three seasons - - and Jordan played only 17 during one of them.

So how much "impact" did it really have on his accomplishments? Essentially none whatsoever.
 

EO 11110

Posting from Epstein Island
Site Supporter
Mother Lode
Joined
Jul 31, 2010
Messages
13,685
Likes
10,122
#58
i agreed - best two guard of his era - even with the lack of three point shooting skill. the post up game was unstoppable with nyc.nba defense rules, which prevented defenses from sagging to help
 

Mr Paradise

Midas Member
Midas Member
Joined
Dec 3, 2011
Messages
8,089
Likes
8,890
Location
Lake Superior
#59
Wilt Chamberlain has the same career scoring average as Jordan as well as a better career FG% percentage ....not to mention almost 4x as many rebounds per game as Jordan.

If we’re just gonna go on scoring Wilt had a season where he averaged over 50 points a game ....just say that out loud a few times.
 

EO 11110

Posting from Epstein Island
Site Supporter
Mother Lode
Joined
Jul 31, 2010
Messages
13,685
Likes
10,122
#60
in order, the top 4 three point shooters in the league (by percentage) -- and must have made more than 1.0 threes per game

american white

1543261076710.png


foreign white

1543261103262.png


foreign white

1543261131424.png


american white/black hybrid

1543261199792.png
 

Mr Paradise

Midas Member
Midas Member
Joined
Dec 3, 2011
Messages
8,089
Likes
8,890
Location
Lake Superior
#62
Too many “one & done” casualties amongst much of America’s top prospects over the last 20 years or so.
Way too many young kids chose the quick route to the NBA and that million dollar signing bonus (can’t blame them) and then get lost playing on dysfunctional teams and going up against men night after night and within 5 years or so they’re washed up and out of league at 25.
I think this is why the more polished, team oriented and fundamentally better coached European players look more desirable to GM’s.
Remember back in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s when college teams were stacked with talented seniors? UCLA, Georgetown, St John’s, Kentucky, etc... these teams had two or three seniors who were gonna be 1st round picks every year on the court. Those Ewing-Mullin big east battles in the early 80’s ....you had 5 or 6 future NBA stars battling it out on the court.
 

Area51

Silver Miner
Seeker
Joined
Oct 23, 2012
Messages
1,494
Likes
1,081
#63
Too many “one & done” casualties amongst much of America’s top prospects over the last 20 years or so.
Way too many young kids chose the quick route to the NBA and that million dollar signing bonus (can’t blame them) and then get lost playing on dysfunctional teams and going up against men night after night and within 5 years or so they’re washed up and out of league at 25.
I think this is why the more polished, team oriented and fundamentally better coached European players look more desirable to GM’s.
Remember back in the 60’s, 70’s and 80’s when college teams were stacked with talented seniors? UCLA, Georgetown, St John’s, Kentucky, etc... these teams had two or three seniors who were gonna be 1st round picks every year on the court. Those Ewing-Mullin big east battles in the early 80’s ....you had 5 or 6 future NBA stars battling it out on the court.

Take a good look at the foreigners that have been NBA lottery picks over the past 20yrs.

Other than Yao Ming, Kris Porzingis and Paul Gasol the majority have absolute trash.
 

EO 11110

Posting from Epstein Island
Site Supporter
Mother Lode
Joined
Jul 31, 2010
Messages
13,685
Likes
10,122
#64
teen is putting up numbers on par with the veteran all-stars that nyc media hypes 24/7 -- and making it look easy. he's turned the pathetic mavericks into a playoff contender

no surprise that the black players are attacking him with cheap shots. lebron recently admitted to intentionally charging into him. this after doncic packed bron's shit twice in one possession. same week another black knocked him to the floor when they were transitioning down the court

https://247sports.com/nba/mavericks...c-is-receiving-the-key-to-the-Mavs-125572493/

“I really like what I’m seeing,'' Dirk said of Luka just before camp. "He’s incredible with the ball for a big guy — I mean, he’s a legit 6-8, 6-9. He handles the ball. He even like, when somebody scores, he runs back, gets the ball, and literally brings the ball up like a point guard. He’s unbelievable in pick-and-roll play. He did over-the-head, between-the-leg passes to cutters. I think the savviness that he brings, the court vision, is already unbelievable. I couldn’t believe what I saw for a 19-year-old. Unbelievable.”

Fast-forward to today, and as SI points out, only eight other players in the NBA are a statistical match with Luka's averages of points (19.1), rebounds (6.5) and assists (4.2) -- and seven of those eight were named All-NBA last year. This is a kid who thinks he fits right there with James Harden and Kevin Durant and the rest of the superstars who, like him, have well-rounded games.
 
Last edited:

EO 11110

Posting from Epstein Island
Site Supporter
Mother Lode
Joined
Jul 31, 2010
Messages
13,685
Likes
10,122
#65
Take a good look at the foreigners that have been NBA lottery picks over the past 20yrs.

Other than Yao Ming, Kris Porzingis and Paul Gasol the majority have absolute trash.
liar or ignorant? that's pathetically inaccurate
 

EO 11110

Posting from Epstein Island
Site Supporter
Mother Lode
Joined
Jul 31, 2010
Messages
13,685
Likes
10,122
#66

Rookies in NBA history who have averaged at least 19/6/4 and a 58 TS%:

Michael Jordan Luka Doncic

That's it.

================================================

https://english.sta.si/2581846/doncic-named-rookie-of-month-by-nba

Dončić named Rookie of Month by NBA

New York, 4 December - Slovenian 19-year-old basketball player Luka Dončić was named Western Conference Rookie of the Month on Monday after what was his first month playing in the NBA.
 

EO 11110

Posting from Epstein Island
Site Supporter
Mother Lode
Joined
Jul 31, 2010
Messages
13,685
Likes
10,122
#67
recent headlines about the 19 yo kid f-ing up the nba

listed below are just a few from the last 7 days

https://www.google.com/search?q=don...hVLs6wKHfGzDqEQ8NMDCGE&biw=1366&bih=635&dpr=1

Luka Doncic the Phenom!
NBA.com-Dec 12, 2018

========================

Luka Doncic's genius has managed to make a great NBA rookie class look average

------------------
Luka Doncic is Slovenian, but he owns the state of Texas now



=====================================

Luka Doncic is a basketball wunderkind

===================================
 
Last edited:

EO 11110

Posting from Epstein Island
Site Supporter
Mother Lode
Joined
Jul 31, 2010
Messages
13,685
Likes
10,122
#68
white teen still smoking their assees. nba never seen a teen dominate like this. been decades since a much older rookie put up similar RAW numbers. doncic efficiency numbers smoke him too

https://clutchpoints.com/mavs-news-...ach-rare-rookie-feat-last-done-by-grant-hill/

Luka Doncic is averaging 18.2 points, 6.7 rebounds, and 4.6 assists per game. The last rookie to average at least 18/6/4 for a full season is Grant Hill in 1994-95.
 

EO 11110

Posting from Epstein Island
Site Supporter
Mother Lode
Joined
Jul 31, 2010
Messages
13,685
Likes
10,122
#69
can you hear me now?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/orlando-magic/os-sp-nba-0103-story.html

Giannis Antetokounmpo, Luka Doncic lead wave of international stars shaking up NBA

Go back to the 1999-2000 NBA season, and there were only two foreign-born players in the NBA who averaged 15 points per game: Dirk Nowitzki and Tim Duncan.

This season, there are 24 names on that list — by far the most in league history.

The NBA international imprint just keeps getting bigger, providing the sort of transformative impact the likes of which the league probably hasn't seen since the ABA merger.

One of the MVP front-runners at this point is Greece's Giannis Antetokounmpo, who has led Milwaukee to the NBA's best record entering Wednesday. Dallas' Luka Doncic looks like an overwhelming favorite to become the first Slovenian rookie of the year. Cameroon's Joel Embiid might be the dominant big man in the league, and keeps getting better for Philadelphia.

These aren't just some guys taking up roster spots, either.

These are franchise players. At least one-third of the league's teams have a foreign-born player who would classify as its best, or at least its most important.

Just take a peek at Tuesday's boxscores to see the impact.

— There were six guys with 12 or more rebounds, five of them born outside the U.S.
— There were six guys with seven or more assists, all of them born outside the U.S.
— There were four guys with three or more blocks, all of them born outside the U.S.


Nikola Jokic had 19 points, 14 rebounds and 15 assists for Denver, and it might not have even been his best game of the season. Jokic is Serbian — and represents how the game is played today. He's a 7-footer. Big, fast and skilled. He's going to be a problem for teams for a long time, and is the biggest reason why the Nuggets entered Wednesday atop the Western Conference.

The NBA has utilized a ‘USA vs. The World’ format in what used to be called the rookie game at All-Star weekend since 2014, and maybe it's time to think about doing something like that in the varsity matchup as well.

Think about this possibility: Antetokounmpo, Doncic, Embiid, Jokic and Ben Simmons starting. Select Rudy Gobert, Clint Capela and Nikola Vucevic as the backup big men. Ricky Rubio, Danilo Gallinari, Buddy Hield and Bojan Bogdanovic as backup guards and wings. Jamal Murray, Jonas Valanciunas and Boban Marjanovic would be snubbed on this 12-man mythical roster.

And that scenario even has Australian-born Kyrie Irving playing for the U.S. side in this made-up game.
 

Texan

New Member
Joined
Mar 30, 2010
Messages
20
Likes
29
Location
Houston, TX
#70
Jordan is 4th all time in points and will be passed by at least 2 current players by 2020.

Jordan doesn’t even rank in top 25 in all time rebounds.

Jordan doesn’t rank in top 25 all time in assists

Jordan ranks #3 in steals about 800 below John Stockton.

Jordan does not rank in top 25 in blocks.
Why would you expect a guard to be top 25 in rebounds and blocks?
 

Mr Paradise

Midas Member
Midas Member
Joined
Dec 3, 2011
Messages
8,089
Likes
8,890
Location
Lake Superior
#71
Why would you expect a guard to be top 25 in rebounds and blocks?
Why not he was 6’6”. Magic Johnson (a guard) once played center in a playoff game for the lakers.
Jordan the “guard” doesn’t even rank top 25 in assists nor does he even sniff at the #1 steal king.
So what we have is a “guard” that couldn’t rebound, pass or block and wasn’t even the greatest scorer in league history ...but people that started watching the NBA in 1992 think he was the GOAT.

Next
 

Mujahideen

Black Member
Midas Member
Site Supporter
Joined
Mar 31, 2010
Messages
10,512
Likes
18,630
Location
Wakanda
#72

Texan

New Member
Joined
Mar 30, 2010
Messages
20
Likes
29
Location
Houston, TX
#73
Why not he was 6’6”. Magic Johnson (a guard) once played center in a playoff game for the lakers.
Jordan the “guard” doesn’t even rank top 25 in assists nor does he even sniff at the #1 steal king.
So what we have is a “guard” that couldn’t rebound, pass or block and wasn’t even the greatest scorer in league history ...but people that started watching the NBA in 1992 think he was the GOAT.

Next
Magic? Holy effin' irrelevant strawman. It seems pretty apparent that you just don't know where basketball players are positioned and why they accumulate the stats they do. You need to work on that glaring flaw. Next I guess man.

The GOAT is Hakeem Olajuwon btw.
 

EO 11110

Posting from Epstein Island
Site Supporter
Mother Lode
Joined
Jul 31, 2010
Messages
13,685
Likes
10,122
#74
agree about positions. absurd to try to compare jordan to johnson to the dream. even dicing it further should include 'true' pg vs scoring pg. stockton v westbrook argument is useless

harden is farking ridiculous right now. between the legs step back 3 - either way, left or right. i've been working on this for about 6 weeks. i'm good from about 19 ft. 25 feet is gonzo. he has put in some serious work
 
Last edited:

Area51

Silver Miner
Seeker
Joined
Oct 23, 2012
Messages
1,494
Likes
1,081
#75
liar or ignorant? that's pathetically inaccurate
Do you need me to walk you through it? I've given you the benefit of the doubt and included "foreign" players who played at in the NCAA and even those who were born and raised in the US and played in the US all their life but claim foreign citizenship through their parents.

Including the 2018 picks, there's been 60 foreigners selected in the lottery. Of those, 20 are indisputable trash, and 19 are mediocre at best.

1999
Alek Radojevic - - complete trash

2000
Jerome Moiso - - complete trash

2001
Paul Gasol - - all star level player
DeSanga Diop - - complete trash
Vlad Radmanovic - - mediocre at best

2002
Yao Ming - - franchise type player
Niko Tskitishvili - - complete trash
Nene Hilario - - mediocre at best

2003
Darko Milicic - - complete trash
Mike Pietrus - - mediocre at best

2004
Ben Gordon - - serviceable but not close to all star caliber
Luol Deng - - serviceable but not close to all star caliber
Rafael Araujo - - complete trash
Andy Biedrins - - complete trash

2005
Andy Bogut - - comically slowfooted and unathletic, always hurt
Charlie Villaneuva - - mediocre at best
Ike Diogu - - complete trash
Fran Vazquez - - complete trash
Yaro Koralev - - complete trash

2006
Andy Bargnani - - mediocre at best and laughably soft
Mo Sene - - complete trash
Thabo Sefalosha - - mediocre at best, useful defender useless at everything else

2007
Yi Jianlian - - complete trash
Joakim Noah - - great defender but a flash in the pan

2008
Danny Gallinari - - serviceable but not close to all star caliber

2009
Hasheem Thabeet - - complete trash
Rick Rubio - - mediocre one dimensional PG

2010
Al Farouq Aminu - - mediocre at best

2011
Kyrie Irving - - all star caliber player but can't stay healthy
Enes Kanter - - mediocre big man with atrocious defence
Tristan Thompson - - mediocre at best
Jonas Valincunias - - mediocre at best
Jan Vesley - - complete trash
Bismack Biyombo - - complete trash

2012
None

2013
Anthony Bennett - - complete trash
Alex Len - - mediocre at best
Steven Adams - - serviceable player but not close to all star level
Kelly Olynyk - - mediocre at best

2014
Andy Wiggins - - soft and lazy one dimensional player
Joel Embiid - - very good player but way too fragile
Dante Exum - - complete trash
Nik Stauskas - - complete trash
Dario Saric - - serviceable player but not close to all star level

2015
Karl Anthony Towns - - franchise type player
Kris Porzingis - - all star level player
Emmanuel Mudiay - - mediocre at best
Mario Hezonja - - mediocre at best
Trey Lyles - - mediocre at best

2016
Ben Simmons - - woefully bad shooter, good passer and rebounder
Dragan Bender - - mediocre at best
Buddy Hield - - mediocre at best
Jamal Murray - - one dimensional volume scorer
Jake Poltl - - complete trash
Domantas Sabonis - - serviceable player but not close to all star level
Georgios Papagiannis - - complete trash

2017
Lauri Markkanen - - serviceable player but not close to all star level
Frank Ntlikina - - mediocre at best

2018
DeAndre Ayton - - ???
Luca Doncic - - ???
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander - - ???
 

Area51

Silver Miner
Seeker
Joined
Oct 23, 2012
Messages
1,494
Likes
1,081
#76
agree about positions. absurd to try to compare jordan to johnson to the dream. even dicing it further should include 'true' pg vs scoring pg. stockton v westbrook argument is useless

harden is farking ridiculous right now. between the legs step back 3 - either way, left or right. i've been working on this for about 6 weeks. i'm good from about 19 ft. 25 feet is gonzo. he has put in some serious work

Can't take Harden seriously until he can at least manage to get to the finals - - let alone win a ring. Unless he wins a championship, Harden's career will always be identified with that horrific embarrassment in the 2017 playoffs against the Spurs when he flat out quit on the team.

Similar to DeRozan and Chris Paul - - huge numbers in the regular season then disappear and find a way to choke when it matters in the playoffs.
 

Area51

Silver Miner
Seeker
Joined
Oct 23, 2012
Messages
1,494
Likes
1,081
#77
Larry Bird. Told. JORDAN.

"I'm going for 50 tonight and I'm going to shut you down, rook"

Bird scored 50, took hiself outta the game, shook his dick at Jordan who scored 10.

Oh yeah, it made Jordan mad. Bird had already humiliated him in Jordan's first all star game

You're full of shit, my friend. Why would you even attempt to fabricate such a ridiculous tale?

Larry Bird NEVER scored 50 on Jordan and the Bulls.

In fact, Bird only managed to score 50+ a meagre FOUR (4) times in his entire career.

Jordan hung 50+ on Bird and the Celtics TWICE.
 

EO 11110

Posting from Epstein Island
Site Supporter
Mother Lode
Joined
Jul 31, 2010
Messages
13,685
Likes
10,122
#78
kid is money

https://www.complex.com/sports/2019/01/luka-doncic-most-unique-rookie-the-nba-has-ever-seen

While most 19-year-olds might stress about a college quiz, the NBA’s own equivalent—the last minutes of a tight game—has been Luka’s time to shine.

He’s not just holding his own among NBA stars at the end of close games, he’s exceeding their efficiency and production. Luka’s tied with LeBron James and ahead of Kevin Durant—just the two best players alive—for points scored during the last five minutes of a game where the difference is five points or less.

Not only that, but in that time he’s shooting 53.8 percent during crunch time, better than MVP frontrunner, James Harden, KD, and Kawhi Leonard. Harden and Doncic are both tied for the most points in the last five minutes of games that are even closer, with one point separating teams; although, Doncic remains a lot more efficient in such situations. This isn’t preeminence among the rookie class, it’s just NBA dominance.
 

EO 11110

Posting from Epstein Island
Site Supporter
Mother Lode
Joined
Jul 31, 2010
Messages
13,685
Likes
10,122
#79
Doncic is slowfooted and has absolutely ZERO explosiveness - - he's going to be a defensive liability who gives up as many points, if not more, than he scores.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

fans vote him into all-star game -- playas and (((nyc media))) take him out

https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...st-new-star-glaring-all-star-snub/2741973002/

Mavericks' Luka Doncic, the NBA's brightest new star, is most glaring All-Star snub

Doncic was among the most popular players in the league based on the All-Star fan vote — garnering the most votes in the Western Conference behind only LeBron James. However, he didn't have enough player or media votes to be named a starter, and the coaches ultimately opted for more seasoned All-Stars (like the Warriors' Klay Thompson) when selecting reserves.

But Doncic didn't just deserve to be an All-Star based on popularity alone. He's putting up stellar numbers — 20.4 points, 6.9 rebounds and 5.4 assists a game — while becoming the new face of a franchise with his exciting play that's been highlighted with buzzer-beaters, step-back three-pointers and nifty passing.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

three months into the season - he's won every ROM award

https://sportsday.dallasnews.com/da...n-conference-rookie-month-third-straight-time

Another one: Mavericks' Luka Doncic named Western Conference Rookie of the Month for third straight time
 
Last edited:

EO 11110

Posting from Epstein Island
Site Supporter
Mother Lode
Joined
Jul 31, 2010
Messages
13,685
Likes
10,122
#80
black players and (((nyc media))) join hands to snub one of the greatest rookies of all time....who just happens to be white

https://www.washingtonpost.com/spor...is-easier-than-europe/?utm_term=.c2b883d5b1c1

Doncic also is averaging 7.0 rebounds and 5.5 assists, which made him an unexpected All-Star Game snub. The 19-year-old is in the midst of a historic rookie season and could become the fifth first-year player to average 20 points, five rebounds and five assists.

The others: Oscar Robertson, Michael Jordan, LeBron James and Tyreke Evans. Doncic finished second in fan voting among Western Conference players, behind only James, but finished eighth in player voting and sixth in media voting.

“I wanted to go [to the All-Star Game], and I was very disappointed when they told me I wasn’t,” Doncic said. “What matters is the people who voted for me. I was impressed, and that’s what matters most to me. Maybe next year I’ll be there.”