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The Art of making Colloidal Silver / Silver Ions / Electrically Isolated Silver

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I posted a thread three weeks ago with the title:
"Is this stupidity or depraved indifference?"
"The use of colloidal silver as a topical antiseptic and general health aide has gained a considerable degree of acceptance in the past few years. When someone mentions the use of colloidal silver on a health forum, we no longer see the immediate cacophony of blue man, silver is toxic, Rosemary Jacobs and so forth. For those of us who have attempted to encourage the use of silver instead of antibiotics should be inspired by this. Unfortunately, the Internet and sites such as eBay and Amazon provide an opportunity for those who either don't know or don't care about how to make colloidal or ionic silver properly. There is a seller on eBay:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Colloidal-...er-electrode/252190073793?hash=item3ab7b323c1

This guy is selling a "colloidal silver generator" for $9.97. eBay says he has sold 740 of these units. The kit consists of one thin strip of silver. He instructs people to use a stainless steel bowl and hook up the positive terminal of the battery array to the silver strip and the negative of the battery to the stainless steel bowl. There is nothing in his system to prevent people from hooking up positive to the steel bowl and negative to the silver. Even if everyone would read the instructions, which anyone in business will tell you is not the usual case, a significant portion of the customers will, at some point, do the opposite. Then they will start making colloidal "God knows what." That will cause those who ingest what they have made real problems. I have no doubt that among those 740 people who have bought this unit, there are those who have done themselves actual harm. What is in stainless steel?
Basic Ingredients in Stainless Steel
Iron - Very strong, very corrosive. ...
Chromium - Highly non-corrosive. ...
Nickel - Soft, some corrosion resistance. ...
Manganese - Binds steel alloys together, reducing brittleness and cracking.
Copper - Soft, conducts heat and electricity. ...
Carbon - Strong, corrosive."
I reported the item to eBay as a "Prohibited and restricted items."
Today I came across a 1-gallon unit using the same method:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Colloidal-...m=252190073793&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
it gives the same instructions, and I quote:
"One Gallon-Sized Stainless Steel Bowl - Make Sure It's Big Enough To Put Your Distilled Water In!
3 9-volt Batteries, or a 20-30 volt Power Supply - Connect The Positive End To The Silver, and The Negative End To The Bowl."
There is nothing here to prevent the user from connecting the positive battery terminal to the metal bowl and the negative terminal to the silver strip. When this is done, and it will be. Colloidal and ionic compounds will be entered into solution in the water, but they will be anything but silver. And they will be harmful. I'm sure there will be people who will use an aluminum bowl as well.
Anyone with any experience in designing user interfaces will tell you that people just don't pay attention to instructions, period. The readers of this thread have educated themselves regarding colloidal silver to the extent that they would not be endangered by this product offering.
One reply to the "depraved indifference" thread was:
"Perhaps the eBay seller is an agent of big pharma trying to muddy the waters. There is a group of people who operate that way......."
I can imagine the following scenario. The seller claims he has sold over 1000 of these units on eBay. If this is so, I am sure that hundreds of people have already injured themselves to some extent. Enter hungry lawyers. Class-action lawsuits. The injunction to reveal the names and addresses of customers of these units. Pet owners sue on behalf of their cats and dogs. The entrance of FDA to save the health and well-being of the poor, bewildered and confused consumers. A ban on all colloidal silver preparations and paraphernalia the manufacturer ups such. While I might appear to be waxing lyrical on this matter, I can tell you that Atlasnova has customers in the EU who have asked us not to mention colloidal silver in the documentation for customs purposes.
 

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That guy is dangerous to people interested but not informed on Colloidal Silver.
Anybody who recommends using a "stainless steel bowl" in ANY form of a electrolysis process is a jerk to say the least.
DYODD,
WAOOR ( but this guy is money grabbing and not health conscious of his customer(s) )
 

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He must've gotten hold of some very old information back in the day when it just wasn't CS unless it was cloudy urine. In his sales pitch he says the following:
"Does this generator make REAL Colloidal Silver?
The short answer is, Yes! Many models on the market today claim to make Colloidal Silver but actually make small amounts of Colloidal Silver with a similar amount of Ionic Silver. Our method of making Colloidal Silver enhances the process to give you a higher ratio of Colloidal Silver to Ionic.
Can I measure the PPM with a TDS Meter?
No, you can't. TDS Meters do NOT measure Colloidal particle ratios. TDS Meters measure Ionic concentration (via electrical conductivity) ONLY. The reason some people say that you can take a TDS reading and multiply it by some number is because that is an estimate of the ratio their generator makes Colloidal Silver in relation to Ionic silver. When we tested ours, the reading was so low you couldn't tell the difference between it and distilled water on a TDS Meter, which is exactly what you want. That is how well our system works to give REAL Colloidal Silver. PLEASE do your research before buying a random generator.
What PPM Colloidal Silver will my Generator make?
This generator is designed to make 20-40 ppm Colloidal Silver by weight."
Measuring ppm by weight, not ions, is how you get the 5+ PPM by these obsolete methods. I have seen some of the older colloidal silver products "with a label that says" shake the bottle."
If anyone cares to report the item as "Prohibited and restricted items", here is the link:
https://ocswf.ebay.com/rti/compose?items=252190073793&ocsflow=true
 

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I found some interesting papers on how nano AG is negatively impacting wastewater treatment; apparently, there are a number of products being manufactured with nano AG (including socks for odor control) and when you wash these items, it floods wastewater treatments plants with AG...and high levels will inhibit the "friendly" bacteria from breaking down the sludge.

https://fsu.digital.flvc.org/islandora/object/fsu:204470/datastream/PDF/view

https://www.hindawi.com/journals/amse/2016/4964828/

https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007/978-3-319-53162-5_9
 

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Well, The FSU STUDENT thesis paper consists of a lot discussion where the word "may" is played. Yet ZERO documentation of where Ag nano particles had been found to be the culprit interrupting waste water treatment.
The second article come from China a nation so polluted all the population centers glow with satellite imaging.
The third article all I'll say is SPELLCHECK IS YOUR FRIEND. USE IT. ( I quit reading because it was giving me a headache). ( "silber")

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Goldbrix, back in May 2014 in post number 25 of this thread you brought up the matter of silver enhancing the efficiency of antibiotics in:
"Adding Silver to Antibiotics Boosts Their Power
New research shows antibiotics may become up to 1,000 times more powerful with the addition of silver."
With the following link:
http://www.healthline.com/health-ne...antibiotics-could-boost-their-strength-061913
I would suspect that the effect of "The Effects of Silver Nanoparticles on Wastewater Treatment and Escherichia Coli Growth."
Tons of antibiotics are flushed down the toilet every day. I should think that silvers ability to multiply the effectiveness of these antibiotics.
It should be noted what is being discussed here are silver nanoparticles, not silver ions. The final action is ionic but that occurs when the wastewater silver particle, uncharged, elemental, of any size, comes into contact with an oxygen atom forming a molecule of silver oxide and a silver ion.
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For nearly a decade, researchers have debated the mechanisms by which AgNPs exert toxicity to bacteria and other organisms. The most elusive question has been whether the AgNPs exert direct “particle-specific” effects beyond the known antimicrobial activity of released silver ions (Ag+). Here, we infer that Ag+ is the definitive molecular toxicant. We rule out direct particle-specific biological effects by showing the lack of toxicity of AgNPs when synthesized and tested under strictly anaerobic conditions that preclude Ag(0) oxidation and Ag+ release. Furthermore, we demonstrate that the toxicity of various AgNPs (PEG- or PVP- coated, of three different sizes each) accurately follows the dose-response pattern of E. coli exposed to Ag+ (added as AgNO3). Surprisingly, E. coli survival was stimulated by relatively low (sublethal) concentration of all tested AgNPs and AgNO3 (at 3–8 μg/L Ag+, or 12–31% of the minimum lethal concentration (MLC)), suggesting a hormetic response that would be counterproductive to antimicrobial applications. Overall, this work suggests that AgNP morphological properties known to affect antimicrobial activity are indirect effectors that primarily influence Ag+ release. Accordingly, antibacterial activity could be controlled (and environmental impacts could be mitigated) by modulating Ag+ release, possibly through manipulation of oxygen availability, particle size, shape, or type of coating.
When we come across papers such as this, we should keep in mind that they are not talking about what we are trying to make. Although nanoparticles of silver can legitimately be called colloidal silver as long as they are small enough to stay in suspension, or coded with a lighter substance for buoyancy, they are not purely ionic silver. The purpose of these pieces of silver, however small. Is to hang around until they come in contact with the free oxygen atom, therefore releasing silver ions, i.e. single atoms of silver missing one electron. It's a case of apples and oranges. That's why we should start calling our stuff electrically isolated silver, EIS or perhaps EISS, Electrically Isolated Silver Solution.
 

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"Perhaps the eBay seller is an agent of big pharma trying to muddy the waters. There is a group of people who operate that way......." (abeland1)

Perhaps? SOP is what I call it. No different than their war on marijuana. Anyone that has studied how CS is made, would never do it the way that idiot stick did it. Its deliberate, no doubt. As for the "sheep" that don't bother to understand the process for themselves. The herd needs culling.....
 

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The metaphorical cat with the big C is out of the bag!
It is no longer necessary for a person with cancer to be poisoned or cut to pieces to become free of cancer. The mainstream cannot ignore this. The naysayers have lost their Aura of authority.
Those of us who have been advocating the use of EIS as a benefit to our health may now feel free to discuss this subject. Doing so will no longer be considered a case of "going over the top, even for a good cause."AbstractARTICLE CITATION
DOI: 10.1200/JCO.2017.35.15_suppl.e17533 Journal of Clinical Oncology 35, no. 15_suppl - published online before print.
Published online May 30, 2017.
From the
Journal of Clinical Oncology
In-human activity and pharmacology of homemade silver nanoparticles in highly refractory metastatic head and neck squamous cell cancer.
Background: Silver nanoparticles (SNPs) show high efficacy as targeted therapy against cancer cell lines, but have never been tested in patient clinical trials. We present the first in-human trial of SNPs in a cancer patient with a dramatic outcome. Methods: Homemade SNP solution is prepared by the patient with online instructions. Current from 3 9-volt batteries is passed across 99.99% pure silver-bar electrodes in distilled water, until the metal content of the water measures 0.09-0.15 parts per million. The manufacturer is a 77-year old male who developed multiple recurrences of nasal cavity squamous cell cancer. Over 2 years he progressed on platinum and taxane based-chemotherapy, radiation twice and 2 surgical resections. Large hepatic and pulmonary metastases were observed on PET, MRI and CT; he was initiated on hospice. Without informing his oncologist he subsequently began manufacturing and consuming the SNP solution. Results: The patient ingested 120 ml daily of the solution for 3 months leading to clinical recovery and complete resolution of cancer at all sites, persisting for 18 months. Electron microscopy of the silver solution revealed bimodal SNP size distributions; 3 & 12 nm. Inductively coupled plasma mass spectrometry showed the basal blood silver ion concentrations of 32 ng/g. One hour after ingesting 60 ml of silver solution it rose to 46 ng/g. Urine showed no SNPs. Toxicities were not noted with this silver solution, with no evidence of myelosuppression, liver or kidney abnormalities on repeated testing. The patient underwent reconstructive surgery with excellent wound healing, and his performance status continues to improve. Conclusions: Ingestion of a SNP solution is associated with complete regression of highly refractory head and neck cancer in the absence of other anticancer therapy. Ingesting silver solution causes a noticeable and nearly immediate rise in blood silver concentration. Urinary excretion is not a major path of clearance from the body. Given these dramatic results that may be attributed to SNP in conjunction with strong preclinical data, further patient testing of SNP should be done to confirm its safety and efficacy in head and neck cancer.In-human activity and pharmacology of homemade silver nanoparticles in highly refractory metastatic head and neck squamous cell cancer.
Jasmine Singh, Farjana Fattah, Tam Burks, Jie Zheng, Xingya Jiang, Pamela Kurian, Sehresh Saleem, Jean Pearson, Saad A. Khan The University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas, TX;
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas, TX;
http://ascopubs.org/doi/abs/10.1200/JCO.2017.35.15_suppl.e17533
 
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The metaphorical cat with the big C is out of the bag!
It is no longer necessary for a person with cancer to be poisoned or cut to pieces to become free of cancer. The mainstream cannot ignore this. The naysayers have lost their Aura of authority.
Those of us who have been advocating the use of EIS as a benefit to our health may now feel free to discuss this subject. Doing so will no longer be considered a case of "going over the top, even for a good cause."AbstractARTICLE CITATION
DOI: 10.1200/JCO.2017.35.15_suppl.e17533 Journal of Clinical Oncology 35, no. 15_suppl - published online before print.
Published online May 30, 2017.
From the
Journal of Clinical Oncology
In-human activity and pharmacology of homemade silver nanoparticles in highly refractory metastatic head and neck squamous cell cancer.
Background: Silver nanoparticles (SNPs) show high efficacy as targeted therapy against cancer cell lines, but have never been tested in patient clinical trials. We present the first in-human trial of SNPs in a cancer patient with a dramatic outcome. Methods: Homemade SNP solution is prepared by the patient with online instructions. Current from 3 9-volt batteries is passed across 99.99% pure silver-bar electrodes in distilled water, until the metal content of the water measures 0.09-0.15 parts per million. The manufacturer is a 77-year old male who developed multiple recurrences of nasal cavity squamous cell cancer. Over 2 years he progressed on platinum and taxane based-chemotherapy, radiation twice and 2 surgical resections. Large hepatic and pulmonary metastases were observed on PET, MRI and CT; he was initiated on hospice. Without informing his oncologist he subsequently began manufacturing and consuming the SNP solution. Results: The patient ingested 120 ml daily of the solution for 3 months leading to clinical recovery and complete resolution of cancer at all sites, persisting for 18 months. Electron microscopy of the silver solution revealed bimodal SNP size distributions; 3 & 12 nm. Inductively coupled plasma mass spectrometry showed the basal blood silver ion concentrations of 32 ng/g. One hour after ingesting 60 ml of silver solution it rose to 46 ng/g. Urine showed no SNPs. Toxicities were not noted with this silver solution, with no evidence of myelosuppression, liver or kidney abnormalities on repeated testing. The patient underwent reconstructive surgery with excellent wound healing, and his performance status continues to improve. Conclusions: Ingestion of a SNP solution is associated with complete regression of highly refractory head and neck cancer in the absence of other anticancer therapy. Ingesting silver solution causes a noticeable and nearly immediate rise in blood silver concentration. Urinary excretion is not a major path of clearance from the body. Given these dramatic results that may be attributed to SNP in conjunction with strong preclinical data, further patient testing of SNP should be done to confirm its safety and efficacy in head and neck cancer.In-human activity and pharmacology of homemade silver nanoparticles in highly refractory metastatic head and neck squamous cell cancer.
Jasmine Singh, Farjana Fattah, Tam Burks, Jie Zheng, Xingya Jiang, Pamela Kurian, Sehresh Saleem, Jean Pearson, Saad A. Khan The University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas, TX;
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center, Dallas, TX;
http://ascopubs.org/doi/abs/10.1200/JCO.2017.35.15_suppl.e17533
Why would big Pharma let Americans make their own medicine? They would stand to use tons of money...
 

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Why would big Pharma let Americans make their own medicine? They would stand to use tons of money...
How are they going to stop you.?
 

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I posted a thread three weeks ago with the title:
"Is this stupidity or depraved indifference?"
"The use of colloidal silver as a topical antiseptic and general health aide has gained a considerable degree of acceptance in the past few years. When someone mentions the use of colloidal silver on a health forum, we no longer see the immediate cacophony of blue man, silver is toxic, Rosemary Jacobs and so forth. For those of us who have attempted to encourage the use of silver instead of antibiotics should be inspired by this. Unfortunately, the Internet and sites such as eBay and Amazon provide an opportunity for those who either don't know or don't care about how to make colloidal or ionic silver properly. There is a seller on eBay:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Colloidal-...er-electrode/252190073793?hash=item3ab7b323c1

This guy is selling a "colloidal silver generator" for $9.97. eBay says he has sold 740 of these units. The kit consists of one thin strip of silver. He instructs people to use a stainless steel bowl and hook up the positive terminal of the battery array to the silver strip and the negative of the battery to the stainless steel bowl. There is nothing in his system to prevent people from hooking up positive to the steel bowl and negative to the silver. Even if everyone would read the instructions, which anyone in business will tell you is not the usual case, a significant portion of the customers will, at some point, do the opposite. Then they will start making colloidal "God knows what." That will cause those who ingest what they have made real problems. I have no doubt that among those 740 people who have bought this unit, there are those who have done themselves actual harm. What is in stainless steel?
Basic Ingredients in Stainless Steel
Iron - Very strong, very corrosive. ...
Chromium - Highly non-corrosive. ...
Nickel - Soft, some corrosion resistance. ...
Manganese - Binds steel alloys together, reducing brittleness and cracking.
Copper - Soft, conducts heat and electricity. ...
Carbon - Strong, corrosive."
I reported the item to eBay as a "Prohibited and restricted items."
Today I came across a 1-gallon unit using the same method:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Colloidal-Silver-Generator-Comes-with-999-fine-silver-electrode/252190073793?_trkparms=aid=555018&algo=PL.SIM&ao=1&asc=20131003132420&meid=1d717c0d7fb44a5d8dfeb0f255862f2a&pid=100005&rk=5&rkt=9&mehot=ag&sd=252079620725&itm=252190073793&_trksid=p2047675.c100005.m1851
it gives the same instructions, and I quote:
"One Gallon-Sized Stainless Steel Bowl - Make Sure It's Big Enough To Put Your Distilled Water In!
3 9-volt Batteries, or a 20-30 volt Power Supply - Connect The Positive End To The Silver, and The Negative End To The Bowl."
There is nothing here to prevent the user from connecting the positive battery terminal to the metal bowl and the negative terminal to the silver strip. When this is done, and it will be. Colloidal and ionic compounds will be entered into solution in the water, but they will be anything but silver. And they will be harmful. I'm sure there will be people who will use an aluminum bowl as well.
Anyone with any experience in designing user interfaces will tell you that people just don't pay attention to instructions, period. The readers of this thread have educated themselves regarding colloidal silver to the extent that they would not be endangered by this product offering.
One reply to the "depraved indifference" thread was:
"Perhaps the eBay seller is an agent of big pharma trying to muddy the waters. There is a group of people who operate that way......."
I can imagine the following scenario. The seller claims he has sold over 1000 of these units on eBay. If this is so, I am sure that hundreds of people have already injured themselves to some extent. Enter hungry lawyers. Class-action lawsuits. The injunction to reveal the names and addresses of customers of these units. Pet owners sue on behalf of their cats and dogs. The entrance of FDA to save the health and well-being of the poor, bewildered and confused consumers. A ban on all colloidal silver preparations and paraphernalia the manufacturer ups such. While I might appear to be waxing lyrical on this matter, I can tell you that Atlasnova has customers in the EU who have asked us not to mention colloidal silver in the documentation for customs purposes.
eBay has yet to respond to my complaint to them about this seller. Perhaps it's best just to ignore things like this. Could Malus be right in suggesting a deliberate ploy by big Pharma? I would say it is entirely possible. If this item harms a significant number of people, "colloidal silver" could be portrayed as being "dangerous in general," then something would have to be done. Let us not forget, in August 1998 the FDA ordered anything to do with colloidal silver off of this shelves of stores. Due to public outcry, the order was temporarily relaxed. It may still be out there.
Thecrensh asks "Why would big Pharma let Americans make their own medicine? They would stand to use tons of money...
I replied, "How are they going to stop you.?"
Of course, is the question and my answer are both rhetorical. They cannot stop an individual from making colloidal silver. They can dissuade the general public from doing so. I did a Google search with the words "colloidal silver." In the number one position on the first page the most massive allowable ad came up, and the landing page was the following:
https://www.greatplainsinjurylaw.com/Colloidal-Silver-Landing-page_ppc_lp.shtml?dcmp=1600366297&hbx_pk=+colloidal +silver&k_clickid=df1d1aea-9609-473f-8121-c4602fcac6d8&cid=94fa18ea-ba6e-46f9-9d9c-54f6b86de18f&_vsrefdom=p.9672
I don't think that the companies selling colloidal silver are of a financial size that would attract class-action lawsuits. I'm sure of it. We're not talking Monsanto's here. The money these people are getting for this activity would have to come out of the public relations budget of big Pharma.
With silver now being acknowledged as an effective cancer treatment:
http://ascopubs.org/doi/abs/10.1200/JCO.2017.35.15_suppl.e17533
We can expect big Pharma to push back. Cleverness can be bought, and not everyone has a conscience.
 
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The problem eBay listing is still up there:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Colloidal-...h=item3ab7b323c1:g:OksAAOSwyQtVvjaz:rk:1:pf:0

Well, I figured I had to do something about this situation. This guy is selling on price. A lot of people, especially first-time buyers, will buy on price. The eBay search function has an option of returning search results on the basis of lowest price first. There are now hundreds of people offering "colloidal silver generators" on eBay. The vast majority of them would not pass muster for the readers of this thread. I made a listing offering the CSG1 without a laser pointer for a penny below this guy. I use the description area to alert the buyer of the "colloidal steel generator" of their situation. I hope the information will get to the people who have bought this kit. The seller says that over 700 people have bought this thing. I only hope for their sake and his that he's lying.
I said the following in the description area of the listing:
"The laser pointer is not, I repeat not included.
This listing is to get your attention about a dangerous item offered in this category.
It is a genuine offer and I will ship one to you for the offered price.
Why am I offering has been on eBay for many years for $40-$50 for only $9.96. It is an act of public service on my part. I have spent the last 20 years helping people to make their own colloidal silver. I have seen the art of making colloidal silver steadily advance over this time. We have come a long way. There are items for sale here on eBay that have the potential of destroying all that good work. There is an item selling for one cent more that will inevitably result in the damage to the health of the users of that product. That seller has made it possible, indeed probable, that by accidentally hooking up some alligator clips will result in the generation of heavy metal particles, those involved in the manufacture of stainless steel and aluminum, to be generated in water that people will ingest. This will result in inevitable harm, irreversible harm, to those who do so. This sellet may say, "but all they have to do is follow the instructions". I've got news for him, people don't follow instructions. And even if they do, they won't do the same thing every time. The listing says he has sold over 700 of these things, I hope that's not true. I have tried to notify eBay about this, but to no avail. I hope that my actions here will draw enough of their attention for them to take some action. If eBay is unwilling or unable to prevent dangerous devices being sold, they should disallow their sale. If you bought one of the devices I'm talking about, you should return it, if you can't, do yourself a favor and throw it away."
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Colloidal-...h=item5b501f4ba7:g:PxIAAOSwnCFaDjpU:rk:4:pf:0
 
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I am happy to announce a new addition to the Atlasnova family, the one and a half pint Ultra. It works exactly the same as the half gallon ultra and has the same ability to reach 50 PPM ionic in 10 days. It also has the fast mode for users who wish a 10 ppm solution in 5 hours. It produces the same EIS, Electrically Isolated Silver, crystal-clear and stable for over a year.
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If it were not for the encouragement and support of the members here at GIM2, I would never have made an effort to develop this technology. Fairly early in the thread, the fact that no two batches, using existing methods, produced the same result. This fact encouraged me to bring my development toolset out of retirement to see what, if anything, could be done. Microprocessors had made huge advances in the time since I retired. I was able to use techniques in both hardware and software that would have taken a trailer load of equipment back in the days of the space race.
As a thank you for all the support, I'm offering a special deal for the members on this thread for a price half that of the half-gallon ultra.
Go to the buy and sell forum for details.
https://www.atlasnova.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/CSG-ULTRA-1HP-Instructions.pdf
 
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Abeland makes quality products. This is coming from an old established customer who knew of AtlasNova before I knew Arnold was a member here.
I have zero financial interest in AtlasNova. Just opinion of the great products. gb
 

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I'm seeing the term "Nano Silver" increasingly used instead of Colloidal Silver. The term Nano means one in 1 billion. Pico is one in 1 trillion. If we insist on referencing the name to a size, then we probably should stick to Nano. The size of the silver atom is about half of one Nano. That is defined by the van der Waals radius of about 251 picometers. While I don't have any evidence to support this, I would theorize that if two silver ions became any closer than 1 nm apart, they would succumb to the van der Waals' weak bonding force which turns neutral molecules into a lattice.
Why not settle on the term "electrically isolated silver." It adequately describes what we are trying to make with the low voltage DC method. How successful we are at this can be measured by the percentage of particulate to ionic content. It should also be entirely clear. We are long past the days when people thought it wasn't colloidal silver unless it was sufficiently yellow. Good riddance.
 

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I'm seeing the term "Nano Silver" increasingly used instead of Colloidal Silver. The term Nano means one in 1 billion. Pico is one in 1 trillion. If we insist on referencing the name to a size, then we probably should stick to Nano. The size of the silver atom is about half of one Nano. That is defined by the van der Waals radius of about 251 picometers. While I don't have any evidence to support this, I would theorize that if two silver ions became any closer than 1 nm apart, they would succumb to the van der Waals' weak bonding force which turns neutral molecules into a lattice.
Why not settle on the term "electrically isolated silver." It adequately describes what we are trying to make with the low voltage DC method. How successful we are at this can be measured by the percentage of particulate to ionic content. It should also be entirely clear. We are long past the days when people thought it wasn't colloidal silver unless it was sufficiently yellow. Good riddance.
Your post reminded me of graphene. I wonder how the two could be paired...
 

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There are increasing reports of people using EIS intravenously. If used in this manner, we must have a method of making sure that there are no particles that, although not visible to the naked eye, are still in the solution. Such particles can only be detected with a laser beam. Using a red laser and sweeping it around the solution did not seem to be an adequate method. I can now offer a green laser (green is about 50 times as visible to the human eye as red) with a lens that generates a flat plane of laser energy. If you shone this pointer on the wall, it would draw a straight line.
Here are pictures of a 1 gallon per day solution without filtering or settling time. This is the same system used in the thread I posted on the "House of Meds and Medical" forum.
The red pointer:
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The green line pointer:
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Here's a picture of the 1 gallon per day measuring 15.9 ppm. Note that it appears completely clear to the naked eye.
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Green lasers are more easily seen, but if not properly filtered, green lasers can also produce harmful levels of infrared light. The two links below discuss the hidden dangers of the undesirable infrared light produced by some green lasers. Extra caution is needed for green lasers.

https://www.webmd.com/eye-health/news/20100806/green-laser-pointers-may-be-harmful-to-eyes

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/420214/the-danger-of-green-laser-pointers/
In 2003 I brought the first green laser pointers to the US market. They were not then, nor have they ever been, made in China. None of my green lasers have ever been shipped without an infrared filter. It only took about a year for the Chinese to copy the design and some of them from China were made deliberately without IR filters. Taking out the IR filter makes the power measurement on a standard power meter 5 to 10 times greater but has nothing to do with the effectiveness of the laser. The laser mentioned in the post above is from Atlasnova:
https://www.atlasnova.com/product/atlasnova-green-laser-line-pointer/
The output power is tightly regulated to just under 5 mW, and the infrared level is negligible. Weatherman is right, stay away from the cheap Chinese eBay junk.
 
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I keep hearing that 10 PPM EIS is all anyone ever needs for anything and any more powerful and any higher ionic level is useless. That is what is being fed the public by the sellers of colloidal silver and even most of the colloidal silver generator manufacturers as well.. Here are the facts:
Laboratory Studies Conducted by The University Of North Texas
Product: SilverKare at 15 PPM and 30 PPM
Isolated Colloidal Silver
Time-Kill Study Conducted by UNT
Mark A. Farinha, Ph.D. Professor of Microbiology
Microbes tested: Staphylococcus epidermidis, Staphylococcus aureus and Enterococcus faecalis
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[ Staphylococcus Aureues, example only ]
Results: Reduction of population counts from >10 million to undetectable in four minutes of exposure

Microbes Tested: Salmonella typhimurium and Pseudomonas aeruginosa
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[ Example of Pseudomonas aeruginosa ]

Results: Reduction of population counts from >10 million to undetectable in four minutes of exposure

Microbe Tested: Candida albicans
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[ Example of Candida albicans ]
Results: Reduction of population counts from >1 billion to undetectable in two minutes.
Details of the Study
Staphyloccus aureus ATCC12600
Two concentrations of isolated silver were used, one 15 PPM isolated colloidal silver and one 30 PPM isolated colloidal silver. The 30 PPM colloidal silver achieved results markedly faster, although both formulations achieved the desired results within four minutes:
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The in-vitro lab results conclusively demonstrate that a high quality isolated colloidal silver product is remarkably effective in concentrations of both 15 PPM and 30 PPM against Staph Aureus. A greater concentration demonstrated faster action, however, the results in the first four minutes dropped population counts to nearly non-existant levels with both formulations.
Pseudomonas aeruginosa PAO
Two concentrations of isolated silver were used, one 15 PPM isolated colloidal silver and one 30 PPM isolated colloidal silver. The 30 PPM colloidal silver achieved results markedly faster, although both formulations achieved the desired results within four minutes:
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The in-vitro lab results conclusively demonstrate that a high quality isolated colloidal silver product is remarkably effective in concentrations of both 15 PPM and 30 PPM against Psuedomonas aeruginosa. A greater concentration demonstrated faster action, however, the results in the first four minutes dropped population counts to nearly non-existant levels with both formulations.

Salmonella typhimurium

Two concentrations of isolated silver were used, one 15 PPM isolated colloidal silver and one 30 PPM isolated colloidal silver. The 30 PPM colloidal silver achieved results markedly faster, although both formulations achieved the desired results within four minutes:
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The in-vitro lab results conclusively demonstrate that a high quality isolated colloidal silver product is remarkably effective in concentrations of both 15 PPM and 30 PPM against Salmonella typhimurium. A greater concentration demonstrated faster action, although the results in the first four minutes dropped population counts to nearly non-existant levels with both formulations.
Candida albicans
One 30 PPM isolated colloidal silver was used in this study.
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The in-vitro lab results conclusively demonstrate that a high quality isolated colloidal silver product is remarkably effective in a concentration 30 PPM ( likely 15 PPM as well ) against Candida albicans. The results in the first two minutes dropped population counts to nearly non-existant levels.
Enterococcus faecalis ATCC19433
Two concentrations of isolated silver were used, one 15 PPM isolated colloidal silver and one 30 PPM isolated colloidal silver. The 30 PPM colloidal silver achieved results markedly faster, although both formulations achieved the desired results within four minutes:
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The in-vitro lab results conclusively demonstrate that a high quality isolated colloidal silver product is remarkably effective in concentrations of both 15 PPM and 30 PPM against Salmonella typhimurium. A greater concentration demonstrated faster action, although the results in the first four minutes dropped population counts to nearly non-existant levels with both formulations.
 
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Is there a rule of thumb for how much one should consume on a daily basis? Does our system retain the silver or it's flushed out daily? What's your opinion on small bottles of concentrated colloidal silver that come in brown bottles with an included eyedropper that one would use to put in distilled water? Not sure if your smaller unit is big enough or the gallon or half gallon is too much, need your input, please.
 

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If your objective is to keep a certain amount of EIS in your bloodstream as a front-line defense against pathogens (a brilliant move) then the following study is beneficial: http://www.silvermedicine.org/AltmanStudy.pdf
Dr. Alton summarizes:
"Ingestion of properly prepared CS does not result in silver accumulating in the body. There is no evidence that silver deposits significantly in hair or fingernails and, in fact, the data supports the conclusion that after taking more than 2 mg of CS per day for several months, silver seems to be purged from the body (mostly through urine) at about the same rate at which it is consumed. Furthermore, upon terminating CS intake, it appears that as much as half the silver residing in body tissue will be purged (through urine and feces, but more and more through feces as time goes on) in less than a month. Even this relatively short residence time could be reduced substantially if several liters of water were consumed daily."
- Roger Altman
The following table from the PDF shows that as long as the silver is in ionic form, it will be eliminated from your system in three months.
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"What's your opinion on small bottles of concentrated colloidal silver that come in brown bottles with an included eyedropper that one would use to put in distilled water?"
If someone tells you their colloidal silver is "concentrated," you should stay away from them. It's a sign that they are clueless. EIS, a.k.a. (colloidal silver) cannot be "concentrated." It is not orange juice. If you're talking about the stuff that sold in health food stores, forget about it, you have no idea what you're going to get. If your wishes to see if colloidal silver will work for you, for instance for a sinus problem, you could try:
https://www.atlasnova.com/product/atlasnova-enhanced-colloidal-silver-50-ppm-4-oz/
If it works for you, you will know that you will be able to produce the same product if you purchase an ultra.
"Not sure if your smaller unit is big enough or the gallon or half gallon is too much, need your input, please."
"Common" colloidal silver generators produce, at best, 10 to 15 ppm EIS. The ultras will do this in one day running in the 50 PPM mode. It will be 98% ionic, completely clear and have a practically infinite shelf life. If you want 50 ppm, you will have to let it run for the full ten days. You can stop the process at any time. The LCD on the unit will tell you what the level of ionic PPM is at all times during the process. You can stop the process at any point during the ten days, and you will have, 20, 30, 40 or whatever it is at that time. I would hope that my customers would get in the habit of starting a batch every ten days I'm just let it run until it's finished. Then decant it into a storage container (glass) and put it away. Continue to do this until you have an excellent supply in case of an emergency. A burn, or plague, a sore that won't heal, a strange rash, sinus infection, pinkeye or whatever you think it might help. At least, it won't do any harm. As to which unit to buy, the one and a half pint or the half gallon, it depends on your situation. Are you alone? Then perhaps the one and a half pint would do. For a family, I would suggest a half gallon to be a better investment. It only cost 50% more, yet it produces almost three times the volume of 50 ppm.
 

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Correct me folks, but isn't that reading of 12 supposed to be multiplied by 1.5 to get the correct ppm count?
If his reading are from a TDS Meter. TDS meters are calibrated using saline ( body use saltwater aka sweat).
An EIC meter does the more correct reading.
Neither is as accurate as readings with an electron microscope.
 

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The definition of a siemens is as follows: The siemens is the SI derived unit of electric conductance. It is equal to inverse ohm. It is named after the German inventor and industrialist Ernst Werner von Siemens, and was previously called the mho. In English, the term siemens is used both for the singular and plural. The 14th General Conference on Weights and Measures approved the addition of the siemens as an SI derived unit in 1971.
 

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Its measureed in micro siemens. It is a TDS meter.
A close look at the picture of the TDS meter shows a button titled "mode." Presumably, this enables the user to switch between TDS mode "total dissolved solids, (salt)" and EC mode "electrical conductivity." In the EC Mode, the reading will be the PPM of totally dissolved solids (silver).
 

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Yes, as Abeland1 says you can select the mode. Unfortunately the camera did not pick up the micro siemens
μS
which is displayed. I actually ended up with two meters by accident, but it is helpful to average the two for a reading since they are not too accurate.
 

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I came across this webpage from the leading seller of colloidal silver.
https://sovereignsilver.com/product/bio-active-silver-hydrosol/
Now, this post is not intended to disparage sovereign silver in any way. They at least make an honest 10 PPM product, ionic and clear. They sell a lot of it. Good for them. They get $293.99 for a gallon of it. Good for them again. Now I think Ironpig is making a gallon a day of the exact equivalent to this, and it costs him a $1.50. The ability to do this is available to anyone who wishes to do so.
What I'm wondering about is the following: if the price of this were lowered to say $30 a gallon, how many more people would buy it and use it? What if shipping was a problem?. What if it was delivered locally? What if it was available at a local store and the store owner made it.?
Being an old guy, I can remember, as a child, a milkman delivering glass bottles of milk and picking up empty bottles to be taken back and refilled at the diary. This, as a paradigm, it is the antithesis of Amazon.
If a current user of colloidal silver was aware that a local person with a real name and a phone number was making, with a valid process, 10 PPM EIS, would they not be inclined to buy it from that person, especially if he offered to deliver it to their door.
Or am I dreaming?
 

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I came across this webpage from the leading seller of colloidal silver.
https://sovereignsilver.com/product/bio-active-silver-hydrosol/
Now, this post is not intended to disparage sovereign silver in any way. They at least make an honest 10 PPM product, ionic and clear. They sell a lot of it. Good for them. They get $293.99 for a gallon of it. Good for them again. Now I think Ironpig is making a gallon a day of the exact equivalent to this, and it costs him a $1.50. The ability to do this is available to anyone who wishes to do so.
What I'm wondering about is the following: if the price of this were lowered to say $30 a gallon, how many more people would buy it and use it? What if shipping was a problem?. What if it was delivered locally? What if it was available at a local store and the store owner made it.?
Being an old guy, I can remember, as a child, a milkman delivering glass bottles of milk and picking up empty bottles to be taken back and refilled at the diary. This, as a paradigm, it is the antithesis of Amazon.
If a current user of colloidal silver was aware that a local person with a real name and a phone number was making, with a valid process, 10 PPM EIS, would they not be inclined to buy it from that person, especially if he offered to deliver it to their door.
Or am I dreaming?
I'd like to learn more about any regs or hoops Sovereign Silver has to deal with in order to sell their CS. What kind of certification would you have to provide to a customer so they would feel comfortable making the purchase?
 

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I'd like to learn more about any regs or hoops Sovereign Silver has to deal with in order to sell their CS. What kind of certification would you have to provide to a customer so they would feel comfortable making the purchase?
There are no hoops to jump through. They sell it as a vitamin supplement and have a disclaimer on every ad. The only way anyone can get into trouble is by claiming to cure something, and they deserve it.
It looks like the Walmart water in your locale is not very good. You should go ahead and use it, however, it is a very slight yellow tint, and only a few years ago we would have been delighted at that result. You must keep in mind, this unit is not an ultra, but the ultras are not capable of this level of production, which you needed. If you have to use the Walmart water, you can try reducing the current slightly and settle for a lower PPM.
 

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Here is an older study I just found. It's funny none of these are ever done in the states.
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Thinking about making my own CS. So question is, Is the Ultra from AtlasNova the easiest to use. I am not a electrically inclined person. I literately shock myself when I look at an outlet wrong.

Any input would be great!
 

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Thinking about making my own CS. So question is, Is the Ultra from AtlasNova the easiest to use. I am not a electrically inclined person. I literately shock myself when I look at an outlet wrong.

Any input would be great!
My first experience with EIS was buying an Ultra, so I cannot compare to other devices, but the Ultra is as simple as I can imagine. With the Ultra, there are no decisions to make, no meters to read, no adjustments to do, and no worries in the process. Just fill the jug with high quality (near distilled) water, turn the Ultra power on, and wait for it to complete the process. After using mine, I bought another Ultra for my relatives precisely because it is simple enough for them to use it when I would not be there to help. Look at the instructions for an alternative you might consider, and see if they sound more complicated than fill with water and turn on the power.
 

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So the question is asked, "if silver ions are more effective at eliminating bacteria than silver nanoparticles, why is all this time and money being spent on developing so many different nanoparticles?"
You can't patent silver ions. Moreover, everybody can make their own.
Money money money
Silver nanoparticles versus silver ions?

Li W.-R., Sun T.-L., Zhou S.-L., Ma Y.-K., Shi Q.-S., Xie X.-B., Huang X.-M. A comparative analysis of antibacterial activity, dynamics and effects of silver ions and silver nanoparticles against four bacterial strains. Int. Biodeterior. Biodegrad. 2017;123:304–310. doi: 10.1016/j.ibiod.2017.07.015. [CrossRef] [Google Scholar]
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0964830517306406
Although both silver ions and silver nanoparticles (AgNPs) have perfect antibacterial activity, but it was assumed that AgNPs have stronger activity than that of silver ions. In this study, we make a comparative analysis of activity, dynamics, and effects of silver ions and two types of AgNPs against four bacterial strains. The minimum inhibitory concentrations (MICs) of silver ions, AgNPs (I) and AgNPs (II) were 0.5, 1 and 2 μg/mL against E. coli, 1, 2 and 8 μg/mL against P. aeruginosa, 1, 2 and 4 μg/mL against S. aureus, and 1, 2 and 2 μg/mL against S. epidermidis respectively. This experimental results showed that Ag+ have stronger antibacterial activity than that of AgNPs (I) and AgNPs(II). Antibacterial dynamic curves revealed all the silver ions, AgNPs (I), and AgNPs (II) prolonged the growth lag phase of all four bacteria in a concentration-dependent manner. Furthermore, transmission electronic microscopy (TEM) observation showed that a major part of bacterial cells treated with 2 μg/mL of silver ion and AgNPs were destroyed within 5 h. The transmission electron microscopy (TEM) observation indicated that all the silver ions, AgNPs (I), and AgNPs (II) can induce severe damage in bacterial cells. The flagella of bacteria were damaged or even eliminated, which would cause movement disorders. Many holes or gaps were observed on cell surfaces, which would cause the leakage of cytoplasm and macromolecules, and leading to cell death at last. Our results suggested that silver ions have similar action mode and slightly better antibacterial activity than that of AgNPs against bacterial cells.
 

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This new drug resistant fungal bug sounds serious . If I have to go to a hospital, I plan to take a large jug of EIS with me.

Mysterious Drug-Resistant Germ Deemed An "Urgent Threat" Is Quietly Sweeping The Globe
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Evidently I dodge a bullet twice last summer. 1st the kidney stone obliteration July 3rd and then the kidney cancer surgery on 9-11. 'WHEW"
I did take my CPAP w/ EIS into the hospital for the kidney surgey, and would take it off my nose
sometimes and just inhale on my face at night.
I use EIS on a daily basis at home too.
May have been DUMB BLIND LUCK too.