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The Art of making Colloidal Silver / Silver Ions / Electrically Isolated Silver

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This is a bigger deal than Ebola ever was. It is already here, and it's growing — mushrooms for mushrooms.
A deadly, drug-resistant fungus is infecting patients in hospitals and nursing homes around the world. The germ, a fungus called _Candida auris_, preys on people with weakened immune systems, and it is quietly spreading across the globe. Over the last 5 years, it has hit a neonatal unit in Venezuela, swept through a hospital in Spain, forced a prestigious British medical center to shut down its intensive care unit, and taken root in India, Pakistan and South Africa. Recently _C. auris_ reached New York, New Jersey and Illinois, leading the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention to add it to a list of germs deemed "urgent threats." _C. auris_ is so tenacious, in part, because it is impervious to major antifungal medications, making it a new example of one of the world's most intractable health threats: the rise of drug-resistant infections.
For decades, public health experts have warned that the overuse of antibiotics was reducing the effectiveness of drugs that have lengthened life spans by curing bacterial infections once commonly fatal. But lately, there has been an explosion of resistant fungi as well, adding a new and frightening dimension to a phenomenon that is undermining a pillar of modern medicine. "It's an enormous problem," said Matthew Fisher, a professor of fungal epidemiology at Imperial College London, who was a co-author of a recent scientific review on the rise of resistant fungi. "We depend on being able to treat those patients with antifungals." Simply put, fungi, just like bacteria, are evolving defenses to survive modern medicines. Yet even as world health leaders have pleaded for more restraint in prescribing antimicrobial drugs to combat bacteria and fungi -- convening the United Nations General Assembly in 2016 to manage an emerging crisis -- gluttonous overuse of them in hospitals, clinics and farming has continued.
Resistant germs are often called "superbugs," but this is simplistic because they don't typically kill everyone. Instead, they are most lethal to people with immature or compromised immune systems, including newborns and the elderly, smokers, diabetics and people with autoimmune disorders who take steroids that suppress the body's defenses. Scientists say that unless more effective new medicines are developed and unnecessary use of antimicrobial drugs is sharply curbed, risk will spread to healthier populations. A study that the British government funded projects that if policies are not put in place to slow the rise of drug resistance, 10 million people could die worldwide of all such infections in 2050, eclipsing the 8 million expected to die that year from cancer. But In the United States, 2 million people contract resistant infections annually, and 23 000 die from them, according to the official CDC estimate. That number was based on 2010 figures; more recent estimates from researchers at Washington University School of Medicine put the death toll at 162 000. Worldwide fatalities from resistant infections are estimated at 700 000.
Antibiotics and antifungals are both essential to combat infections in people, but antibiotics are also used widely to prevent disease in farm animals, and antifungals are also applied to prevent agricultural plants from rotting. Some scientists cite evidence that rampant use of fungicides on crops is contributing to the surge in drug-resistant fungi infecting humans.
Yet as the problem grows, it is little understood by the public, in part because the very existence of resistant infections is often cloaked in secrecy. With bacteria and fungi alike, hospitals and local governments are reluctant to disclose outbreaks for fear of being seen as infection hubs. Even the CDC, under its agreement with states, is allowed tomake public the location or name of hospitals involved in outbreaks. State governments have in many cases declined to publicly share information beyond acknowledging that they have had cases. All the while, the germs are easily spread, carried on hands and equipment inside hospitals; ferried on meat and manure-fertilized vegetables from farms; transported across borders by travelers and onexports and imports; and transferred by patients from nursing home to hospital and back. Other prominent strains of the fungus _Candida_ -- one of the most common causes of bloodstream infections in hospitals -- have not developed significant resistance to drugs, but more than 90 percent of _C. auris_ infections are resistant to at least one drug, and 30 percent are resistant to 2 or more drugs, the CDC said. Dr. Lynn Sosa, Connecticut's deputy state epidemiologist, said she now saw _C. auris_ as "the top" threat among resistant infections. "It's pretty much unbeatable and difficult to identity," she said. Nearly half of patients who contract _C. auris_ die within 90 days,according to the CDC. Yet the world's experts have not nailed down where it came from in the 1st place. "It is a creature from the black lagoon," said Dr. Tom Chiller, who heads the fungal branch at the CDC, which is spearheading a global detective effort to find treatments and stop the spread. "It bubbled up, and now it is everywhere."
On 24 Jun 2016, the CDC blasted a nationwide warning to hospitals and medical groups and set up an email address, <candidaauris@cdc.gov>, to field queries. Dr. Snigdha Vallabhaneni, a key member of the fungal team, expected to get a trickle, "maybe a message every month." Instead, within weeks, her inbox exploded. In the United States, 587cases of people having contracted _C. auris_ have been reported, concentrated with 309 in New York, 104 in New Jersey and 144 in Illinois, according to the CDC. Most cases in the United States have been in nursing homes in New York City, Chicago and New Jersey.
As the CDC works to limit the spread of drug-resistant _C. auris_, its investigators have been trying to answer the vexing question: Where in good the world did it come from? The 1st time doctors encountered _C. auris_ was in the ear of a woman in Japan in 2009 (auris is Latin for ear). It seemed innocuous at the time, a cousin of common, easily treated fungal infections. Three years later, it appeared in an unusual test result in the lab of Dr. Jacques Meis, a microbiologist in Nijmegen, the Netherlands, who was analyzing a bloodstream infection in 18 patients from 2 hospitals in India. Soon, new clusters of _C. auris_ seemed to emerge with each passing month in different parts of the world. The CDC investigators theorized that _C. auris_ started in Asia and spread across the globe.
But when the agency compared the entire genome of _auris_ samples from India and Pakistan, Venezuela, South Africa and Japan, it found that its origin was not a single place, and there was not a single _auris_ strain. The genome sequencing showed that there were 4 distinctive versions of the fungus, with differences so profound that they space suggested that these strains had diverged thousands of years ago and emerged as resistant pathogens from harmless environmental strains in 4 different places at the same time. "Somehow, it made a jump almost seemingly simultaneously, and seemed to spread, and it is drug resistant, which is really mind-boggling," Dr. Vallabhaneni said.
There are different theories as to what happened with _C. auris_. Dr. Meis, the Dutch researcher, said he believed that drug-resistant fungi were developing thanks to heavy use of fungicides on crops. Dr. Meis became intrigued by resistant fungi when he heard about the case of a 63-year-old patient in the Netherlands who died in 2005 from a fungus called _Aspergillus_. It proved resistant to a front-line antifungal treatment called itraconazole. That drug is a virtual copy of the azole pesticides that are used to dust crops the world over and account for more than 1/3rd of all fungicide sales.A 2013 paper in Plos Pathogens said that it appeared to be no coincidence that drug-resistant _Aspergillus_ was showing up in the environment where the azole fungicides were used [1]. The fungus appeared in 12 percent of Dutch soil samples, for example, but also in "flower beds, compost, leaves, plant seeds, soil samples of tea gardens, paddy fields, hospital surroundings, and aerial samples of hospitals." Dr. Meis visited the CDC last summer [2018] to share research and theorize that the same thing is happening with _C. auris_, which is also found in the soil: Azoles have created an environment so hostile that the fungi are evolving, with resistant strains surviving. This is similar to concerns that resistant bacteria are growing because of excessive use of antibiotics in livestock for health andgrowth promotion. As with antibiotics in farm animals, azoles are used widely on crops. "On everything, potatoes, beans, wheat, anything you can think of, tomatoes, onions," said Dr. Rhodes, the infectious disease specialist who worked on the London outbreak. "We are driving this with the use of antifungicides on crops." Dr. Chiller theorizes that _C. auris_ may have benefited from the heavy use of fungicides. His idea is that _C. auris_ actually has existed for thousands of years, hidden in the world's crevices, a not particularly aggressive bug. But as azoles began destroying more prevalent fungi, an opportunity arrived for _C. auris_ to enter the breach, a germ that had the ability to readily resist fungicides now suitable for a world in which fungi less able to resist are under attack. The mystery of _C. auris_'s emergence remains unsolved, and its origin seems, for the moment, to be less important than stopping its spread.
For now, the uncertainty around _C. auris_ has led to a climate of fear, and sometimes denial.
[Byline: Matt Richtel, Andrew Jacobs]
<https://journals.plos.org/plospathogens/article?id=10.1371/journal.ppat.1003633>.]
 

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Hey guys, I've been reviewing this thread and am now suffering from information overload and need some guidance. I am convinced that you guys are onto something very important here and would like to build my own system for making colloidal silver. I purchased a 32oz bottle of sovereign silver just to have some on hand (and it's pricey). I want to make my own but want to do it right based on all the information I WAS able to absorb, like being sure what I'm making is not just silver soup and will have the properties which maximize effectiveness (small particle size, proper PPM, etc).

Can one of you experts (I use that term with the utmost respect) guide me through the maze of Youtube videos and endless homemade webpages to the information I should know for what equipment I should get to make colloidal silver and properly test it?

Please feel free to message me also!

Thanks in advance guys!!!
 

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Just buy the Atlasnova Ultra. I did - TWICE! Best quality EIS available, and so simple to use that videos would be boring to watch.
 

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How is this one any different other than the smaller bottle? I'm trying to justify the cost

https://www.atlasnova.com/product/one-and-half-pint-colloidal-silver-generator-ultra-csg-ultra-1hp/
t_s, You do not even have to go w/ the smaller Ultra version.
I bought the AtlasNova CSG-1 and used that before I even knew Arnold was a board member here. I used it for years and could still be using it but I decided to move move up to the Half Gallon Ultra unit.
The CSG-1 is ideal for those new to Colloidal Silver (most of us now call it Electrically Isolated Silver - EIS).
With the CSG-1 all you need to supply is a drinking glass,or a Ball/canning jar - Jelly size, and distilled water.
A TDS or EIC meter is helpful but not necessary. For my first year and a half I went by judging color to get a Wild-Ass- Guess of how much ppms the unit had generated over the time period. The color YELLOW was good identification of 10-15 ppms and the process would be done in 8-10 hours from the start.
For $50.00 or $60.00 you get a rig that will make GALLONS (at a jar at a time) for pennies.
IDK what size Sov. Sil. you bought but you are still paying DOLLARS per OUNCE instead of Pennies per Gallon.

As a novice just starting I'd do what I did START with one of the CSG-1 versions.
OBTW AtlasNova did not even have a plug in version when I started. I learned to jerry-rig an old cellphone charger I had laying around. A year or two later Arnold came up with the plug-in version.

NOTE: I am in no way connected, compensated, or receive money for my opinion of AtlasNova products.
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IDK what size Sov. Sil. you bought but you are still paying DOLLARS per OUNCE instead of Pennies per Gallon.
Trust me, I got that message. I got the 32oz size bottle and yeah, it was almost $70 so I'm going to make my own. I just wanted to reach out to you gentlemen for guidance. The last thing I want to do is happily make gallons of electrified water that doesn't do anything :)
 

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This is very helpful, thank you. Is this your company and are these your products sir?
I only design and hang out here. My significant other, Alvine, tests the products, writes the instructions, is the webmaster and packs and ships.
 

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So Arnold is the tinkerer and Alvine turns tinkering into business. ;)
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I only design and hang out here. My significant other, Alvine, tests the products, writes the instructions, is the webmaster and packs and ships.
Well, thank you for being here! Well done BTW, great looking product! Still assessing but I believe we'll be doing business in the near future!
 

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I've placed my order. Looks like I'll be making my our brew now! :2 thumbs up:
Received my CSG kit yesterday and i'm thrilled! Everything I need to make Colloidal Silver. Well packaged, well constructed with plenty of great documentation. Good honest value for your money!

I highly recommend Atlasnova's product offerings if you're thinking about making your own Colloidal Silver!! :2 thumbs up:
 

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Received my CSG kit yesterday and i'm thrilled! Everything I need to make Colloidal Silver. Well packaged, well constructed with plenty of great documentation. Good honest value for your money!

I highly recommend Atlasnova's product offerings if you're thinking about making your own Colloidal Silver!! :2 thumbs up:
Have you used the unit yet??
 

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I have to find a way to get some studies done and at the university level. I'm very willing to supply technology. And I'm quite willing to share in any profitability resulting from the efforts. I've been working on how to get this done for the past couple of months, that's why I haven't done any posting of late. I've never felt so incompetent in my life. Let's face it. The minute you mention colloidal silver, people think you're some kind of nut. They've heard of the "blue man," Paul Karason, perhaps even seen him live on Oprah. There is also the case of Rosemary Jacobs, the unfortunate woman with the blue-tinted face. If they attempted to gain any information about "colloidal silver," they would have immediately run into "here are the facts!!!" Information on these unfortunate people. Paul Karason, for whatever reason, manufactured a solution using tap water, not distilled, and without current limitation. The jar of his colloidal silver, held up for the camera by Dr. Oz on Oprah, was black. What this person made and consumed had nothing to do with what we endeavor to make on this thread. Rosemary Jacobs used a solution of silver nitrate, a solution of silver dissolved by nitric acid and continued to use it for nasal congestion repeatedly. Once again, nothing whatsoever to do with what we are attempting here.
Let me propose a mantra for those of us who have taken the time and effort to understand the usefulness of silver. "EIS is colloidal silver, but not all colloidal silver is EIS." If it has a color, or needs to be shaken or stirred, or's stored in the dark bottle, it could still be colloidal silver. There are ways, chemically, to make small particles of anything be suspended in water. That makes it legitimately called "colloidal."
Ever since I broke the 25 PPM barrier with the development of the ultra generator, I have had the feeling of obligation to see that the technology is put to good use. It is not about profit, although without profit, in our society, nothing will actually get done. I can see an application can be implemented very quickly, based on what is used in the ultra generators. Picture an ultra generator floating on the top of the water in a water tank. The water tank is sitting on the roof, perhaps on top of a VA hospital, (that seems to be a favorite place for the Legionella bacteria). The ultra would be programmed to sense and maintain a level of silver ions deemed effective in preventing Legionella infection. This would also take the place of all other methods of sterilization. I have done experiments with tap water and confirmed that the technology I use in the ultra could do this.
https://www.mnn.com/health/fitness-...ail&utm_term=0_fcbff2e256-47e88390e3-42513109
Another area that ultra technology might be able to help is the following:
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/magazi...019-07-18+ARP&utm_medium=email&utm_source=Pew
It seems that a prime source of the mutations responsible for the development of antibiotic-resistant microbes is resulting from the use of the same antibiotics for feed animals and humans. The same device could be placed in the water tank used for the animals drinking water and serve as a replacement for the antibiotics. Even without the complete replacement, it is well known that silver ions multiply the effectiveness of antibiotics many times, therefore reducing the quantity used. People who raise livestock are businessmen and to get them to change their practices, you will have to prove to them that it would work.
So there you have it, my friends. Any suggestions will be greatly appreciated. I would like so much like to get back to simply pushing electrons around. I have so far kept my inquiries local here in Spokane, thinking that would make for an easier relationship. Spokane is basically a small town. I have to go at least national and perhaps internationally with my efforts. 509-496-6733
 
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Because of Big Pharma's lockout of EIS/CS in the United States I believe your best bet will be international. Silver has been used in fibers in Europe for decades now. Here in the U.S. I just heard the first radio commercial of a company promoting Silver-ized under garments and socks. ( I feel I do this putting EIS/CS in the wash of socks and under wears ).
About 15 years ago one of the major brands of bar soap ( I forget which one, maybe DIAL IDK) Put on the market a bar with silver mixed in hard soap. The FDA made them cancel the product. When I heard about the FDA action I ranout and bought all the remaining bars off the shelves where I could find it.
When those bars ran out I started putting a shot glass full of EIS / CS in liquid body and hair shampoo I converted too. (and still do).

Maybe coming up with away to dispense EIS / CS in livestock watering troughs would be an angle. I say you'd have the best chance with the farmers raising livestock under NO Antibiotic / Drug Free conditions.

No University is gonna bite the hands of Big Pharma and its money.

Best of Luck Abe.
 

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Let's revisit the subject of "particles or ions, which is best?"
Harvard has just released a study of the development of what they call an "AAD (active adhesive dressing). They have patented it, and I'm sure it will be a real moneymaker for them.
https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/advances/5/7/eaaw3963.full.pdf
They use silver nanoparticles from the following company:
https://www.us-nano.com/inc/sdetail...PTuboFjBJa6fe4HCqczg6CQjWajZ-KZxoCJqYQAvD_BwE
That company is the most likely source for those making and selling non-EIS high PPM colloidal silver.
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This study is very well conducted, as you would expect from Harvard. The addition of silver nanoparticles is well documented to have increased the antibiotic effect of the hydrogel. I refer you to the following quote from the article discussing the nanoparticles in the hydrogel:
"To test the antimicrobial function of HN, we analyzed bacterial growth on agar plates in the presence of the adhesive hydrogels with and without AgNPs (fig. S1). AgNP-containing HN-Ag effectively inhibited bacterial growth (Fig. 2E). To examine whether AgNPs were lost from HN-Ag over time, we performed A release study. We found no AgNPs that leaked from the hydrogels, Indicating That the Antimicrobial Function of HN Ag Relied on the Release of Silver Ions, Not of Nanoparticles, from the Gels."
Well, how about that the following picture was posted long ago on this very thread:.
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How about making a bandage emulating a blister, covering the whole wound, filling it with 50 PPM EIS? Contraction could be engineered easily. I would bet that the arrangement would outperform the hydrogel. View attachment 139143 View attachment 139143 2019-08-19_15-48-24.png
 
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Yes, We ( GIMMERS DYIers) known this for years. I've use EIS/CS soaked gauzes for years on cuts, scrapes, and burns. I've soaked a big toe that got cleated while wearing sandals volunteering as a Chain Gang member for a Jr. High Football game. I soaked the busted, bloody, dirty toe in my CSG-1 made 10-15 ppm CS at the time that night when I got home and the next few days Xs 2 a day.
Never the first sign of infection ever occurred.
It is nice we FINALLY have some Ivory Tower Academe supporting EIS/CS usage in medicine. And they figured out a way to capitalize on it. Me, I'll keep doing my DIMyself treatments.

DYODD
 

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I have been reading on this forum for the past few days. (New here) I am hoping someone can help me out. I purchased a silver generator that has good reviews from various sources and is even mentioned on this thread. It has a self shut off and is supposed to make 10 ppm solution and shut itself down. I purchased a ketotek TDS/EC reader. I tested my distilled water and it was zero. I tested my tap water (just to make sure it worked) and it read 160 ppm. I proceeded to make the CS which took about 8 hours in a quart sized jar. The solution was crystal clear, had almost no taste change, there was a very slight taste but not a metallic taste. The ppm registered as 1. I repeated the process with a new jar that was pint sized. It took 6 hours and again the ppm read 1. I have used it on a rash and it healed it, and I have been using it to gargle and have noticed zero plaque build up in the morning when I wake up, which was normal for me. So I feel like its working somewhat but I am concerned that I am not making a 10 ppm. What can I do short of sending it out to a lab to get the answer? I understand the TDS reader is not an accurate measure but even doubling that number is still well under what it should be.
 

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Are you making TDS readings or EC readings ? They are not the same and are different.
Outside of an AtlasNova ULTRA making 50ppm EIS I do not like auto shut offs.
In my early days I made CS and went by color not using a TDS Meter. I'd run a production until it was light yellow - beer yellow. That would indicate the production was 10-15 ppm CS. Some I'd let run to almost a light gray indicating 20-25 ppm CS
They are photos on the internet and on Youtube videos to use as comparisons.
I believe sample photos are shown in one of our CS/EIS threads. We have a few that have been melded down to two threads - I THINK.
FYI - Do Not get hung up on set ppm numbers.
Effectiveness is what you want as a standard.
AND you are seeing results.
It could be something as simple as a bad TDS/EC meter. It seems your meter is reading ds water. You need a control sample to check your other range. That would take obtaining a sodium chloride sample you know its quality. IMO

Best Wishes, DYODD, Read the previous threads to get some ideas and guidance.
 

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I have been reading on this forum for the past few days. (New here) I am hoping someone can help me out. I purchased a silver generator that has good reviews from various sources and is even mentioned on this thread. It has a self shut off and is supposed to make 10 ppm solution and shut itself down. I purchased a ketotek TDS/EC reader. I tested my distilled water and it was zero. I tested my tap water (just to make sure it worked) and it read 160 ppm. I proceeded to make the CS which took about 8 hours in a quart sized jar. The solution was crystal clear, had almost no taste change, there was a very slight taste but not a metallic taste. The ppm registered as 1. I repeated the process with a new jar that was pint sized. It took 6 hours and again the ppm read 1. I have used it on a rash and it healed it, and I have been using it to gargle and have noticed zero plaque build up in the morning when I wake up, which was normal for me. So I feel like its working somewhat but I am concerned that I am not making a 10 ppm. What can I do short of sending it out to a lab to get the answer? I understand the TDS reader is not an accurate measure but even doubling that number is still well under what it should be.
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"I have been reading on this forum for the past few days. (New here) I am hoping someone can help me out. I purchased a silver generator that has good reviews from various sources and is even mentioned on this thread."
It has now been ten days since your post. As fellow seekers, we are curious as to your experience, and all the members here will do their best to help you to make the best possible colloidal silver, (what we prefer to call ISE, electrically isolated silver). You said that you bought a generator that has been mentioned in the thread (of which there are many), which has had "good reviews" from "various sources".. Be aware that "good reviews" can be purchased. I have had telephone calls from "various scumbags" offering to sell me any number of reviews I would like.
"It has a self shut off and is supposed to make 10 ppm solution and shut itself down. "
That would account for any number of units that consist of nothing more than a cheap wall wart power supply, a one-cent resistor, some small gauge silver wire, and a kitchen timer. If this is what you ended up with, you have our sympathy.
"I purchased a ketotek TDS/EC reader. "
Good move.
" I tested my distilled water and it was zero. I tested my tap water (just to make sure it worked) and it read 160 ppm."
To me, this would indicate that your TDS/EC meter is working. I have tested about 10 of these little Chinese meters, and I have found them to be accurate to within 10 to 20%.
"So I feel like its working somewhat, but I am concerned that I am not making a 10 ppm. What can I do short of sending it out to a lab to get the answer?"
Why not let whomever you bought it from know that you're having a problem? Don't they have a phone number? Technical support?
 
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Flavapor posts:
"I have been reading on this forum for the past few days. (New here) I am hoping someone can help me out. I purchased a silver generator that has good reviews from various sources and is even mentioned on this thread."
It has now been ten days since your post. As fellow seekers, we are curious as to your experience, and all the members here will do their best to help you to make the best possible colloidal silver, (what we prefer to call ISE, electrically isolated silver). You said that you bought a generator that has been mentioned in the thread (of which there are many), which has had "good reviews" from "various sources".. Be aware that "good reviews" can be purchased. I have had telephone calls from "various scumbags" offering to sell me any number of reviews I would like.
"It has a self shut off and is supposed to make 10 ppm solution and shut itself down. "
That would account for any number of units that consist of nothing more than a cheap wall wart power supply, a one-cent resistor, some small gauge silver wire, and a kitchen timer. If this is what you ended up with, you have our sympathy.
"I purchased a ketotek TDS/EC reader. "
Good move.
" I tested my distilled water and it was zero. I tested my tap water (just to make sure it worked) and it read 160 ppm."
To me, this would indicate that your TDS/EC meter is working. I have tested about 10 of these little Chinese meters, and I have found them to be accurate to within 10 to 20%.
"So I feel like its working somewhat, but I am concerned that I am not making a 10 ppm. What can I do short of sending it out to a lab to get the answer?"
Why not let whomever you bought it from know that you're having a problem? Don't they have a phone number? Technical support?
It doesn't look as though our new member is going to ask for our help. Who knows why?. Perhaps he bought something on the net without checking out from whom he was buying it. That is probably not an uncommon occurrence. People live and learn.
I wonder how many people find themselves in a similar situation.? I know that Atlasnova gets many phone calls complaining that their colloidal silver generator isn't working correctly and what can they do about it? Atlasnova has a policy of only giving technical assistance to those who have purchased Atlasnova products. Alvine answers the phone, and she rigidly enforces this. Fair enough, Atlasnova is a business, after all.
I'll make the following offer to any viewer of the thread. If you need some help in making EIS, a.k.a. "improved colloidal silver," call my cell phone, 509-496-6733, and leave a short message about your problem. I will call you back and try to help you out when I can. Keep in mind that I make my living as a design engineer, charging by the hour, so I can't be talking to you at the same time. However, I will call you and try to help you the next time I take a break.
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Don't worry; I won't sell you anything.
 
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t doesn't look as though our new member is going to ask for our help. Who knows why?. Perhaps he bought something on the net without checking out from whom he was buying it. That is probably not an uncommon occurrence. People live and learn.
I wonder how many people find themselves in a similar situation.? I know that Atlasnova gets many phone calls complaining that their colloidal silver generator isn't working correctly and what we can do? Atlasnova has a policy of only giving technical assistance to those who have purchased Atlasnova products. Alvine answers the phone, and she rigidly enforces this. Fair enough, Atlasnova is a business, after all.
I'll make the following offer to any viewer of the thread. If you need some help in making EIS, a.k.a. "improved colloidal silver," call my cell phone, 509-496-6733, and leave a short message about your problem. I will call you back and try to help you out when I can. Keep in mind that I make my living as a design engineer, charging by the hour, so I can't be talking to you at the same time. However, I will call you and try to help you the next time I take a break.
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Don't worry; I won't sell you anything.
OK newbies, Go find another manufacturer or seller willing to do this for you as a member of GIM2.

When you find him/her/them/ let your fellow GIMMERS know too. Information has value yet member abeleand1 is going out of his way for you.
To help you improve your life and health.

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I actually did call the manufacturer and had a long conversation with him. I have now been able to correct my issues. I was having results all along just not getting the readings. It was user error with the machine. Thank you for your input and help
 

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I actually did call the manufacturer and had a long conversation with him. I have now been able to correct my issues. I was having results all along just not getting the readings. It was user error with the machine. Thank you for your input and help
I'm sure we are all happy that you managed to resolve your "issues." Unfortunately, you have left us with a puzzle. Your EC meter was working. Your generator was working. It started and stopped after so many hours. What sort of error could you have made? What does your meter read now? The only way we learn here is by our shared experiences.
 

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There is a button to push if you want to up the ppm. You have to wait at least 5 seconds after starting the generator to push it and I miss read it and was pushing it within 5 seconds. My readings are now between 8.4 and 16ppm depending on how many times I pressed the button.
 

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Sounds unnecessarily complicated, but it is your machine, put it to good use.
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There is a button to push if you want to up the ppm. You have to wait at least 5 seconds after starting the generator to push it and I miss read it and was pushing it within 5 seconds. My readings are now between 8.4 and 16ppm depending on how many times I pressed the button.
That's very interesting. So is 16 ppm the maximum? Is it clear? Does it stay clear?
I would assume that it takes longer to make 16 ppm then eight ppm? Does it?
Referring to her first post where you measured only one ppm, does this mean that if you don't press the button, you make only one ppm?
Thanks for your reply.
 

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Sounds unnecessarily complicated, but it is your machine, put it to good use.
Best of Luck,
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DYODD,
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I can understand why the designer did this. In the time since we started discussing making colloidal silver, back in the days of the old GIM 1, we showed everyone how to make 5 to 10 ppm colloidal silver very easily. That created a horde of "kitchen table" entrepreneurs. Some of these, being unable to produce higher PPM's reliably, promote the idea that anything above five or 10 ppm is somehow not only ineffective but dangerous.
 
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I moisten my toothbrush, paste, and spritz my mouth, teeth and gums to start brushing my teeth. I spritz two -three times my rinse water with 50 ppm EIS as I'm finishing, and spritz my face and let it air dry every morning.
I couldn't afford to do these things buying retail productions.
Plus a shot in each gallon of filtered drinking water. Keepin 3 gal. of drinking water ready at all times. Plus my gallon drinking thermos (total #4) gets a drop of nascent Iodine on each fill-up.
Any EIS left over from decanting storage bottles goes in a spray bottle used for cleaning food prep surfaces.
Just some ideers fer yall.

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I got the ultra unit from abe two + years ago in August 2017. Swish some in my mouth every single day since then. Usually cut it down to 12.5 ppm, occasionally 25, from 50. Also spray some on a mouth guard i wear nightly for grinding. Seems to do the trick or it's a great placebo effect? I get better comments from the dental hygienist about, "really clean" the last couple of times. Get better counts on my gums where they rate 1 thru 5 or whatever? Use to be 2&3's, couple of 4's even. Now the most recent time in may was 1&2's primarily with some 3's maybe. Also started to realize last winter i haven't had as much as a sniffle the last two full winters when i'd normally get one common cold at least per season it seems like.
 
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I've posted this in other threads, but this one is most active so:
I use EIS in my CPAP Machine nightly. I've used CS /EIS so much that the heating disc on the bottom of the water reservoir has a silver oxide coating now (Gray/Black).
Anyway using CS/EIS in my CPAP water I do not have to clean my machine near as often. No "flora" smells of bacteria was/is my cue to clean it extra.
It is like a Do-It-Yourself version of SO CLEAN machine except every time I use my CPAP it is also killing bugs from building up. DYODD.
 

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I got the ultra unit from abe two + years ago in August 2017. Swish some in my mouth every single day since then. Usually cut it down to 12.5 ppm, occasionally 25, from 50. Also spray some on a mouth guard i wear nightly for grinding. Seems to do the trick or it's a great placebo effect? I get better comments from the dental hygienist about, "really clean" the last couple of times. Get better counts on my gums where they rate 1 thru 5 or whatever? Use to be 2&3's, couple of 4's even. Now the most recent time in may was 1&2's primarily with some 3's maybe. Also started to realize last winter i haven't had as much as a sniffle the last two full winters when i'd normally get one common cold at least per season it seems like.
Thank you very much for the report on your use of the Ultra generator. By swishing it around in your mouth every day, you are not only ensuring that your gums stay healthy and limit tartar buildup. The ions are entering your bloodstream sublingually and can eliminate harmful bacteria before they have a chance to make you ill. It amounts to preventive medicine. I like to think of it as preventive maintenance. The silver ions go right to the front lines of the battle our immune system fights with innovators.
I have a question. Why do you "cut it down to 25 or 12.5 PPM"??. Don't fall for the claims you hear that higher PPM ionic solutions are somehow "dangerous." These are strictly sour grapes from people who don't know how to make 50 ppm ionic.
 

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