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The Trump-Putin Peace, Trade, And Friendship Talks


by Tyler Durden
Tue, 07/03/2018 - 05:00


Authored by Brian Cloughley via The Strategic Culture Foundation,

News that a meeting has been arranged between Presidents Trump and Putin on 16 July was greeted with displeasure in many sectors of the western world, and especially by the military-industrial complex, the cabal of war-profiteering US and European oligarchs whose interests lie solely in maintaining their lucrative arms manufacturing empires. Trade is most important to them — but peace and friendship come way down their page of priorities, because it is enmity and distrust that lead to lucrative sales of weapons.



UK newspapers reacted predictably to the news, with the right wing Daily Mail statingFears are mounting that Donald Trump wants a ‘peace deal’ with Vladimir Putin that could fatally undermine NATO. Ministers are becoming increasingly alarmed that the US president could offer the Russian president deep concessions such as withdrawing forces from Europe.”

The Times of London recorded that “One [UK government] minister told the Times: ‘What we're nervous of is some kind of Putin-Trump 'peace deal' suddenly being announced. We could see Trump and Putin saying, Why do we have all this military hardware in Europe? and agreeing to jointly remove that. 'It's hard to be against peace, but would it be real peace?’”

Yes, it would be real peace, because what Russia wants is amicable relations and trade. Trade with the US and the EU and China and every country that wants to trade — including, most importantly, the Baltic States that have been encouraged by the Pentagon-Brussels NATO High Command to imagine that Russia is poised to invade them.

The US defence secretary, General James Mattis, told Estonia’s minister of defence that “Russia is trying to change international borders by force” and at meetings in May with Lithuania’s president and Baltic defence ministers “reassured US allies in the Baltic states of Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia of American solidarity with them and of US determination to defend Baltic and other NATO territory against any aggression.”

Of all the absurd concoctions swinging round the Western propaganda world at the moment, the notion that Russia wants to invade Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania is probably the least believable and most laughable. The Russian government fully realises that such action would inevitably result in wider conflict; and that there could be escalation to a shattering nuclear war. Even if it didn’t result in global catastrophe, the occupation of any one of these countries by Russian forces would be cripplingly costly in every way and simply doesn’t make sense.

In the context of the impending US-Russia presidential talks, not a single Western media outlet mentioned that, as detailed in the 2018 World Report of the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), “In 2017 the USA spent more on its military [$610 billion] than the next seven highest-spending countries combined... at $66.3 billion, Russia’s military spending in 2017 was 20 per cent lower than in 2016.”

It would be awkward and indeed embarrassing for the Western media to give prominence to SIPRI’s indisputable statement that in 2016 “NATO’s collective military expenditure rose to $881 billion” while “European NATO members spent $254 billion in 2016 — over 3 times more than Russia.”

Russia is reducing its expenditure on defence while the US-NATO military alliance, as noted by Radio Free Europe, agreed on 7 June to “reinforce NATO’s presence in a potential European crisis with the deployment of 30 troop battalions, 30 squadrons of aircraft, and 30 warships within 30 days — the so-called ‘Four 30s’ plan.” This, said the Secretary General of the US-NATO military alliance, Jens Stoltenberg, presumably with a straight face, is not “about setting up or deploying new forces — it is about boosting the readiness of existing forces across each and every ally.”

Then the BBC reported that Stoltenberg had put the best face he could on the unwelcome news of reduced tension and possible friendship. He said that “dialogue is a sign of strength... We don’t want a new Cold War, we don’t want to isolate Russia, we want to strive for a better relationship with Russia.” This is the man who declared in March 2018 that the US-NATO military grouping is increasing its numbers of confrontational deployments. He is proud of the fact that at the end of 2017 there were more than 23,000 troops involved in NATO operations, an increase of over 5,000 since 2014. This is a most peculiar way of striving for a “better relationship” with Russia, whose borders and shores are constantly menaced by NATO’s attack and electronic warfare aircraft, missile-equipped ships and tank-heavy troop manoeuvres.

In June, immediately before the start of the World Cup football tournament in Russia the US-NATO alliance (plus Israel) conducted a two-week military exercise in Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland. 18,000 troops took part in the manoeuvres which, according to the Pentagon’s HQ in Europe, were “not a provocation of Russia.” At the very time that citizens of countless countries were preparing to travel to Russia to enjoy a major sporting jamboree, the Pentagon-Brussels pressure group did its best to confront the country whose defence budget is one third of Europe’s and a tenth of America’s and whose President declared that his overwhelming priority is reduction of poverty and “the well-being of the people and the prosperity of Russian families.”

It is deeply ironical that while the US-NATO military fandangos were in full swing in the Baltic States, it was reported that “Russia on Wednesday [6 June] successfully launched its Soyuz MS-09 spacecraft carrying three crew members to the International Space Station (ISS)...”

The spacecraft carried three astronauts : Serena Aunon-Chancellor of the US, Germany’s Alexander Gerst and Russia’s Sergei Prokopyev,

The spacecraft zoomed away in international harmony two days before US Senator Ben Sasse grouched that “Putin is not our friend and he is not the president’s buddy. He is a thug using Soviet-style aggression to wage a shadow war against America, and our leaders should act like it.” With that sort of attitude, widespread in the Congress, it’s going to be difficult to realise Trump’s desire to “get along with Russia” which he observes would be “good for the world, it’s good for us, it’s good for everybody.”

Trump is the most erratic president the US has ever known. He ricochets from malevolent tweeting to spiteful speeches, and is now distrusted by almost every foreign leader of stature. It is difficult to disagree with the opinion of Iran’s foreign minister that he is “impulsive and illogical” but — and it is a very big ‘but’ — at the moment he presents the best chance for rapprochement and amity with Russia.

The fact that Washington’s warmongers so violently oppose his forthcoming talks with President Putin is evidence enough that he is on the right track. Let’s hope that President Putin can keep him on the rails that lead to peace, trade and friendship.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-03/trump-putin-peace-trade-and-friendship-talks
 

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I love the sound of neocon splodey heads in the mornings, it sounds like victory!
 

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yep, it's all about the MIC money. 700 billion a year for what? We don't defend our countries borders so whats the reason for such a large military budget? I'd love to see us pull out of Europe and close bases all around the world. Wouldn't mind if all the defense contractors stock went to 0 too.
 

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Yeah, we have ten times the military budget of Russia, yet we are recycling gravity nuclear weapons from the 60s while Russia developed hypersonics.

We have no leaders. Trump should make good with Putin and forget the rest of the world
What is the pentagon doing with the money?
 

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Can you imagine the shit storm Trump and Putin could start with only two words .... free trade.
 

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What is the pentagon doing with the money?
Not sure but didn't the SS agents in Columbia get caught with hookers or something? I think they didn't pay her or something.. So maybe they are spending it on hookers and blow?
I'm sure Congrescritters get hefty kickbacks (campaign donations) from contractors that inflate the prices of everything so they can afford the vig (campaign donations).
How much were each one of those f 35's? Like 150 million or something.. 150,000,000. Thats probably like 130 mil in profit. How else did Obama raise 1 billion for re election? Gotta be getting kickbacks from the MIC and bankers of course.
 

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Republicans on Russia trip face scorn and ridicule from critics at home

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Karoun Demirjian
8 hrs ago

Republican lawmakers who went to Russia seeking a thaw in relations received an icy reception from Democrats and Kremlin watchers for spending the Fourth of July in a country that interfered in the U.S. presidential election and continues to deny it.

“Cannot believe GOP, once the party that stood strong against Soviets & only a decade ago sought to democratize the Middle East, is now surrendering so foolishly to [Russian President Vladimir] Putin and the Kremlin’s kleptocracy — only two years after Russia interfered in U.S. election,” tweeted Clint Watts, an information warfare specialist at the Foreign Policy Research Institute and frequent featured expert before congressional panels examining Russian influence operations.

“Russians wooing with a shopworn song — repugnant as nails on a blackboard,” Sen. Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.) wrote in a Twitter post in response to the delegation’s trip. “They are enemies and adversaries, attacking us.”

Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.) led the eight-member delegation on a multiday tour of St. Petersburg and Moscow, a trip that included meetings with Russia’s foreign minister and parliamentarians. It did not include a session that senators had been hoping for: a meeting with Putin, whom President Trump is scheduled to meet at a summit this month.

Members of the delegation set off on their trip late last week promising to be tough with Russian officials ahead of the president’s visit, especially on matters of election interference. But they struck a conciliatory tone once there: The point of their visit, Shelby stressed to the Duma leader, was to “strive for a better relationship” with Moscow, not “accuse Russia of this or that or so forth.”

It played well in Moscow, but not on the home front.

“Politicians celebrate Independence Day in many ways. Some march in a parade. Some attend a barbecue or watch fireworks,” tweeted Richard Painter, an ethics lawyer in President George W. Bush’s administration who is running for the Senate in Minnesota as a Democrat. “But others must travel further to meet with their most important constituents.”

The senators who posted Fourth of July messages on social media while still in Moscow took some of the sharpest criticism, some of which highlighted that while they met with Kremlin-connected officials, Britain discovered that two of its citizens had been poisoned by a suspected Russian nerve agent, the same substance that injured a former Russian spy and his daughter in England in March.

Others pointed out that while the delegation was in Russia, the Senate Intelligence Committee released a report finding Russia had interfered in the 2016 presidential election with a clear preference for helping Trump defeat former secretary of state Hillary Clinton. Only one of the delegation participants, Sen. John Neely Kennedy (R-La.), sits on a congressional panel that has looked into the Russia probe.

Appearing Thursday on Fox News, Sen. Steve Daines (R-Mont.) said the Russia trip had been “productive.”

“We sent a very strong message and a direct message to the Russian government,” he said, ticking off four items he said they pressed while there: Don’t interfere in U.S. elections, respect the sovereignty of Ukraine, work with us toward peace in Syria, and uphold obligations under nuclear arms treaties.

That message did not appear to have much impact, though.

“We heard things we’d heard before, and I think our guests heard rather clearly and distinctly an answer that they already knew — we don’t interfere in American elections,” said Sergey Kislyak, the former Russian ambassador to the United States and now a member of Russia’s upper house of parliament.

On Russian state television, presenters and guests mocked the U.S. congressional delegation for appearing to put a weak foot forward, noting how the message of tough talk they promised in Washington “changed a bit” by the time they got to Moscow.

“We need to look down at them and say: You came because you needed to, not because we did,” Igor Korotchenko, a Russian military expert, said on a talk show on state-run television.

The congressional GOP’s prominent foreign policy voices have remained quiet about the trip, declining to comment about the visit’s significance. Last week, Senate Foreign Relations Committee Chairman Bob Corker (R-Tenn.) remarked only that Jon Huntsman, the U.S. ambassador to Russia, had been urging several colleagues to visit.

In comments to reporters, Huntsman defended the delegation’s efforts as important.

“Election meddling was stressed in ways that have never been discussed before,” Huntsman said Thursday, pointing out that the congressional delegation was the largest to visit Russia in recent memory. “The fact of the matter is that we have not had the kind of conversations, across-the-table conversations — about things like election meddling and malign activity — that really do need to take place.”

“You can’t solve problems if you’re not willing to talk about them,” he added.

karoun.demirjian@washpost.com

Anton Troianovsky and Amie Ferris-Rotman in Moscow and Karen DeYoung in Washington contributed to this report.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...le-from-critics-at-home/ar-AAzDMAv?ocid=ientp
 

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Putin Prepares To Make Major Concessions During Trump Summit



by Tyler Durden
Thu, 07/05/2018 - 22:05


A senior Kremlin official tells Bloomberg that Vladimir Putin is preparing to offer significant concessions to President Trump at their July 16 summit in Helsinki, Finland in the hopes of beginning to repair strained relations between Russia and the United States. Chief among them, according to the official, is a discussion on Iran's role in Syria - an issue that Moscow is simultaneously coordinating with Tehran.


Putin has agreed in principle to U.S. and Israeli demands that Iranian-backed forces in southern Syria be kept away from Israel’s border, replaced with troops loyal to the government in Damascus, two Kremlin advisers said.​

After studying Trump’s meeting with North Korean leader Kim Jong Un, during which he announced a surprise halt to U.S. military exercises with South Korea, Putin decided he needs to negotiate with the billionaire personally, the senior official said, without elaborating. The two leaders may meet without aides, as Trump and Kim did in Singapore, Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said. -Bloomberg

In advance of the summit, U.S. ambassador to Russia, Jon Huntsman, briefed President Trump during a one-on-one conference call Thursday - saying that Trump will go into the meeting with "eyes wide open."

Trump, meanwhile, has broken with Obama's policy of demanding that Syrian leader Bashar al-Assad be removed from power, a position reportedly formed before Russia and Iran turned the tide of the Syrian civil war in Assad's favor against U.S. backed rebels. This sentiment was backed by U.S. National Security Adviser John Bolton - who on Sunday told CBS News that Assad is no longer "the strategic issue" in Syria.
Instead, Iran is now the focus.

“We’ll see what happens when the two of them get together,” said Bolton, who never met a regime he didn't want to change. “There are possibilities for doing a larger negotiation on helping to get Iranian forces out of Syria and back into Iran, which would be a significant step forward.”



Russia views the upcoming Trump-Putin summit as an opportunity to mend fences with the United States. Relations have soured dramatically since the days Bill Clinton was hanging out at Putin's Moscow estate - within hours of collecting $500,000 for a speech to a Kremlin investment bank - in the same month Russia assumed control over 20% of U.S. uranium under Hillary Clinton's State Department. But that was 2010. Since then, Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 and allegedly hacked the 2016 U.S. election - which the Kremlin has been heavily sanctioned for.

Still, major questions remain over Putin's ability to actually enforce any agreement governing Iran's actions in Syria, even if he offers to stabilize the border with Israel by sending troops into the area. This has in turn caused some in Washington and among Western allies in Europe that Trump may prematurely tout the Helsinki meeting without actually achieving real concessions.

Russia may have supplanted America as the indispensable arbiter in various Mideast conflicts but there’s only so far Putin is willing to go to appease Trump when it comes to Iran, according to Andrei Kortunov, head of the Russian International Affairs Council, a research group set up by the Kremlin. -Bloomberg

“Trump can’t force Putin to turn away from Iran,” Kortunov said. “Putin is not willing to push Iran too hard and he cannot rely on Trump.”



Iran has already soured to Russia after it agreed to to roll back cuts to oil producers intended to boost flagging petroleum prices. Russia is also trying to salvage the Iranian nuclear deal after Trump abandoned it, while mitigating sanctions the U.S. has imposed on Tehran. Foreign ministers from Russia, France, China, Germany and the UK will discuss the issue with Iranian officials in Vienna on Friday.

Meanwhile, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said on Wednesday that he would speak with U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo following the Helsinki summit in order to implement whatever agreements are reached. That said - he cautioned that "it's absolutely not realistic" to expect Iran to pull out of Syria alltogether.

“As in any other part of the world, you have to start by sitting down at the negotiating table, lay out your concerns and talk about how to resolve them on a mutually acceptable basis,” Lavrov told reporters in Moscow.

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will meet with Putin in Moscow next week before the summit with Trump - the second time in as many months. Tehran is undoubtedly unhappy with this development.

“Russia has not only stabbed Iran in the back when it comes to Syria, but also voluntarily announced its readiness with Saudi Arabia to push Iran’s quota out of OPEC,” said Ali Khorram - a former Iranian ambassador to the UN, wrote in the Arman daily newspaper.

Putin’s strategy is to try and find a middle ground between the conflicting interests of major players. In particular, he may give Israel a green light to bomb any Iranian convoy that tries to deliver advanced weaponry to Hezbollah while also allowing Iran to maintain shipments of conventional arms to its Lebanese proxy forces, according to Kortunov, the Kremlin adviser.​

For Iran, the overriding goal is to maintain its influence inside Syria and keep supply lines open, said Ehud Yaari, an Israel-based fellow at the Washington Institute. -Bloomberg

“Russia has an interest to bleed Iran in Syria, to weaken Iran but not collapse Iran because it may lose the Assad regime, which is its major card,” said Sami Nader, head of the Levant Institute for Strategic Studies in Beirut. “They want Iran in check and under control.”

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...es-away-israeli-border-major-concession-trump
 

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Trump: Putin is fine, I've been prepared to meet Russian president my whole life
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Donald Trump is set to meet Vladimir Putin in Helsinki on July the 16th. And the US President says he's sure the meeting will go smoothly, and warned against scaremongering. READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/9980
 

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A trade deal should be a priority. That could also be the premise for dropping sanctions. Russia could help with North Korea negotiations by showing goodwill and also as leverage against China. The whole tariffs business could be settled in a couple of days if the other side were willing to negotiate. Just think we could start with a clean slate with Russia and show everybody else how it's done.
 

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A trade deal should be a priority. That could also be the premise for dropping sanctions. Russia could help with North Korea negotiations ....
More negotiations with the janitor of Asia?

More deals with foreign dictators?

Whatever happened to MAGA?

Are you telling me MAGA doesn't start at home? Are you telling me we first must fix all the problems in the rest of the world before we can fix our own problems?

How long has it been since the media or Trump mention "MAGA" - oh how the talk has changed.

Regardless, it's all talk and no action, unless you're getting a fat dividend check from a multi-national. I agree with GC, what we have here is a form of facism that exists under TPTB global bankster control.
 

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What is the pentagon doing with the money?
I know a lot of people that see that money and where it goes as well as get some of it.

The word is that about one-third of it is simply and actually stolen, one-third is wasted because of incompetence and poorly managed projects and one-third actually makes it into the counter-productive agenda it was targeting.
 

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Can you imagine the shit storm Trump and Putin could start with only two words .... free trade.
They can do it in two words Arrest Pedophiles
 

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This thread is infinitely more productive now that FM has been ignored (First time in over 10 years at GIM1 and GIM2 that I have ever used the ignore function. Broken record - shitty music).
 

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US Establishment In Hysterics That Trump-Putin Summit Might Succeed


by Tyler Durden
Sun, 07/08/2018 - 20:50


Authored by Jim Jatras, op-ed via RT.com,

There are many reasons the bipartisan US establishment hates Trump. His heresies from neoliberal orthodoxies on immigration and trade are prominent. But top among them is his oft-stated intention to improve relations with Russia.



That’s fighting words for the Deep State and its mainstream media arm, for which demonizing Russia and its president Vladimir Putin is an obsession.

The fact that Donald Trump made his intention to get along with Moscow a priority during his 2016 campaign, both against his Republican primary rivals and Hillary Clinton (who has compared Putin to Hitler) was cause for alarm. This is because far more than even the frightening prospect that the 70-year state of war on the Korean Peninsula might end, US reconciliation with Russia would yank the rug out from under the phony justifications for spending hundreds of billions of dollars annually to counter a “threat” that ceased to exist over a quarter century ago. Absent hostility to Russia that money has no reason to keep sustaining the power, privilege, and prosperity of a horde of moochers and profiteers, both at home and abroad.

That’s why when it was reported soon after his January 2017 inauguration that Trump was seeking to open dialogue with the Kremlin and set an early summit with Putin there was a hysterical counteraction. As described just over a year ago by conservative columnist and former presidential candidate Patrick Buchanan:

“Trump planned a swift lifting of sanctions on Russia after inauguration and a summit meeting with Vladimir Putin to prevent a second Cold War. The State Department was tasked with working out the details. Instead, says Daniel Fried, the coordinator for sanctions policy, he received ‘panicky’ calls of ‘Please, my God, can you stop this?’. Operatives at State, disloyal to the president and hostile to the Russia policy on which he had been elected, collaborated with elements in Congress to sabotage any detente. They succeeded. “It would have been a win-win for Moscow,” said Tom Malinowski of State, who boasted last week of his role in blocking a rapprochement with Russia. State employees sabotaged one of the principal policies for which Americans had voted, and they substituted their own.​

Back then, constitutional government and the rule of law took a back seat to bureaucratic obstructionism, atop months of a phony “Russian collusion” story that even anti-Russian Republican Congressmen are now calling to “finish the hell up.” But now, in the aftermath of the successful Singapore summit and with the collusion narrative looking ever more threadbare, Trump is back on track. The summit with Putin will finally take place on July 16 in Helsinki, Finland, the site of earlier meetings between American and Russian leaders.

Today the assaults on Trump are no less frenzied than a year ago, but they seem to pack less of a punch with the critics’ glum awareness that, aside from some extraordinary provocation, little can be done to stop the summit from taking place. The Beltway Swamp’s flagship bulletin board Washington Post accused Trump of “kowtowing” to Putin by merely agreeing to meet with him. Trump’s one-on-one with the “autocrat” Putin will be a “meeting of kindred spirits,” warned the conceited New York Times. Putin has “devoured” Trump grumbled über-Russophobe Ralph Peters on CNN. Trump wants to “Finlandize” the US moaned Max Boot. Officials in the United Kingdom, a key culprit in ginning up “Russiagate” in the first place, are particularly scared that – horror! – there could be a peace deal between Trump and Putin.

Major worries are voiced by useless freeloader countries we call“allies,” whose governments fret that the US will become less reliable – to their rulers’ interests of course, not to those of the American people. This specifically means the members of NATO, whose summit Trump will attend prior to Helsinki. As former US ambassador to Moscow and to NATO Alexander Vershbow suggests, “allies are wondering whether they will be in for nothing more than a tongue lashing by President Trump over insufficient defense spending, further inflaming transatlantic divisions over trade, the Iran deal, and other issues.”

Indeed, Trump’s hammering on the NATO deadbeats’ treating the US as a piggy bank that will no longer be at their disposal exposes the biggest fraud at the heart of the long-obsolete alliance: there is no threat of Russian military “aggression” and they all know it. If these countries really thought they were in danger of invasion from Russia (and not from Third World migrants, regarding which NATO is totally worthless) they wouldn’t need Trump to nag them about spending, they’d commit more money because they knew they had to.

The proof is in noting which NATO member, after the US, consistently spends the largest GDP share on its military: Greece. Is that because the penniless Greeks are terrified of Russia? No, they’re afraid of a genuine threat from their fellow NATO “ally,”Turkey.

In the absence of an actual military menace from the east, NATO advocates are scrambling to come up with ever more imaginative justifications. As described by one member of Latvia’s parliament on the website of the Atlantic Council, a leading Washington establishment think tank, the real Russian threat comes from “hybrid warfare, with an increased focus on asymmetric and nontraditional military capabilities, has made it considerably more difficult for NATO to counter destabilization efforts, information operations, cyber-attacks, disinformation, propaganda, and psychological operations.”Yeah sure, maybe Trump will fall for that! Anything to save the Atlantic Council’s $30 million budget provided by a Who’s Who of US government agencies, NATO and Gulf Arab governments, and military contractor firms.

However, it should not be thought that the US and NATO establishment’s hostility to Russia is entirely venal. There is also a strong ideological component. Whereas during the first Cold War much of the western establishment, especially on the Left, felt an affinity for the materialist goals of communism (if not its methods), Russia’s reemergence under Putin as a conservative country in which national traditions and the Orthodox Church are respected has led to a bitter sense of betrayal. That makes Putin, as articulated by Hillary Clinton, leader of the worldwide “authoritarian, white-supremacist, and xenophobic movement” who is “emboldening right-wing nationalists, separatists, racists, and even neo-Nazis.” No Soviet leader, not even Joseph Stalin, was ever portrayed in such diabolical fashion in US media and government circles the way Putin is.

It is no coincidence that Trump himself is vilified in the same dire Hitlerian terms once reserved for foreign targets of regime change like Slobodan Milosevic, Saddam Hussein, and Muammar Gaddafi. Together with the rising elements of anti-establishmentism in Europe, most recently in the installation of a patriotic Lega/Five-Star government in Rome, the post-modern, neo-liberal elite on both sides of the Atlantic feels its dominance slipping away.

For some Democratic partisans and Never-Trump neo-conservative Republicans, horror at improved US-Russia relations competes with the loathing of Trump personally. But for other Americans, both supporters of the President and people who find him objectionable, the summit should not be seen as a litmus test about their attitudes toward the current occupant of the White House. Rather, the issue is what the summit can mean for Americans’ safety and security – and perhaps our very survival.

Claims of Russian collusion and attitudes toward Trump have obscured the fact that Russia is the only country on the planet with a nuclear establishment on a par with ours. Even during the worst periods of the first Cold War with the USSR, US administrations of both parties kept in mind that a minimum of mutual respect and open communication was not just prudent, it was literally a matter of life and death – for the American people and for the world.

During the past few years as we have entered what has been called a second Cold War, this time with post-communist Russia, the seriousness with which the US used to regard the old Soviet Union has been lacking. The bipartisan foreign policy consensus became a closed, incestuous loop in which Republicans and Democrats vied for who could be most strident in their anti-Russian attitudes: let’s poke the bear and see if he growls!



NATO expansion right in Russia’s face became an end in itself, continuing with induction of Montenegro in 2017, plans to welcome Macedonia (or North Macedonia or whatever other silly name is concocted to appease Hellenic pride) – even Ukraine, Georgia, and Bosnia-Herzegovina remain formally on track for joining.

Color revolutions and disastrous wars of regime change toppled Moscow-friendly governments, justified as supposed “democracy promotion.” Risk of confrontation between US and Russian military personnel – studiously avoided during Cold War 1 – takes place with reckless glee in Russia’s Black and Baltic Seas littorals, in Ukraine, and especially in Syria, where earlier this year American forces reportedly slaughtered many Russian contractors – to the delight of some of those now warning darkly against the Trump-Putin meeting. Perhaps most dangerously, the painfully constructed complex of arms control agreements has atrophied as both sides build up stocks of new hypersonic, cyber, and space weapons.

It is perhaps beyond the power of either Trump or Putin to reverse this dangerous trend with one stroke, but maybe they can at least make a start in arresting it. The usual suspects warn of failure, but their real worry is that the summit might be a success. Let’s hope their worst nightmare comes true and peace breaks out.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...nt-hysterics-trump-putin-summit-might-succeed
 

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REVEALED: Trump 'told Putin to ignore his 'stupid' White House advisors who urged him not to congratulate the Russian president on his election victory'

  • President Trump was speaking with Putin on the phone just days after the Russian leader won his election in March
  • Trump was warned by his advisers not to congratulate Putin on his success
  • They even reported included a line in his briefing materials, stating in all-capital letters 'DO NOT CONGRATULATE'
  • Trump ignored the warnings, telling Putin: 'Those are stupid people; you shouldn't listen to them'
  • He went onto congratulate Putin and say that Russia and the US should have a closer relationship
  • Putin's latest election is widely believed to have been rigged, and critics fear it may be another step towards Putin being a ruler for life in Russia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...upid-advisers-urged-not-congratulate-him.html
 

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Trump Says Putin Not A Foe: "He's A Competitor"


by Tyler Durden
Tue, 07/10/2018 - 09:27


President Trump refused to answer if he views Russian President Vladimir Putin as a friend or foe, instead labeling him a “competitor” on the world stage ahead of the first official one-on-one summit between the two in Helsinki next week.

"I really can’t say right now. As far as I’m concerned, he’s a competitor," Trump told reporters on his way out of the White House for a multi-leg European tour that will also include confrontations meetings with NATO leaders and also his first visit to the U.K as president. In fact, Trump suggested that his July 16 meeting with the Russian leader could be the easiest of the three, saying "frankly, Putin may be the easiest of them all."



Trump then defended his efforts to improve ties with Russia despite repeated allegations that Moscow interfered in last year's elections: "I think that getting along with Russia, getting along with China, getting along with others, is a good thing, not a bad thing."

Shifting topics, Trump also said that the U.K., and its embattled Prime Minister Theresa May, was in “somewhat turmoil” and according to Bloomberg "was noticeably less effusive about May than he was about Boris Johnson, who resigned Monday over opposition to May’s plans to leave the European Union."

Trump's comments could heighten fears among U.S. allies and lawmakers that Trump could make too many concessions to Russia while antagonizing European partners. As noted earlier, before taking off Trump escalated his criticism of NATO one day before a summit with those nations, tweeting they “must pay MORE" for defense, while the United States "must pay LESS.”

Meanwhile, after viewing Trump’s comments, Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer said he feared that Trump would say "da" to whatever Putin wants.

"I’m really worried about the president sitting alone in a room with Putin," Schumer said in an interview on MSNBC.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-10/trump-says-putin-not-foe-hes-competitor
 

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Trump Says Putin Not A Foe: "He's A Competitor"


by Tyler Durden
Tue, 07/10/2018 - 09:27


President Trump refused to answer if he views Russian President Vladimir Putin as a friend or foe, instead labeling him a “competitor” on the world stage ahead of the first official one-on-one summit between the two in Helsinki next week.

"I really can’t say right now. As far as I’m concerned, he’s a competitor," Trump told reporters on his way out of the White House for a multi-leg European tour that will also include confrontations meetings with NATO leaders and also his first visit to the U.K as president. In fact, Trump suggested that his July 16 meeting with the Russian leader could be the easiest of the three, saying "frankly, Putin may be the easiest of them all."



Trump then defended his efforts to improve ties with Russia despite repeated allegations that Moscow interfered in last year's elections: "I think that getting along with Russia, getting along with China, getting along with others, is a good thing, not a bad thing."

Shifting topics, Trump also said that the U.K., and its embattled Prime Minister Theresa May, was in “somewhat turmoil” and according to Bloomberg "was noticeably less effusive about May than he was about Boris Johnson, who resigned Monday over opposition to May’s plans to leave the European Union."

Trump's comments could heighten fears among U.S. allies and lawmakers that Trump could make too many concessions to Russia while antagonizing European partners. As noted earlier, before taking off Trump escalated his criticism of NATO one day before a summit with those nations, tweeting they “must pay MORE" for defense, while the United States "must pay LESS.”

Meanwhile, after viewing Trump’s comments, Senate Democratic Leader Chuck Schumer said he feared that Trump would say "da" to whatever Putin wants.

"I’m really worried about the president sitting alone in a room with Putin," Schumer said in an interview on MSNBC.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-10/trump-says-putin-not-foe-hes-competitor
I'd rather have a decent relationship with Russia than an adversarial relationship.
 

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For Peace With Putin, End America's Pointless Wars


by Tyler Durden
Thu, 07/12/2018 - 02:00


Authored by George O'Neill Jr., via The American Conservative,

Ignore the establishment: Trump has a huge opportunity at his upcoming summit...



The upcoming summit between Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin is an overdue opportunity for the American president’s next bold peace initiative. It is time for the U.S. to stop its wasteful wars, and Russia can be a constructive partner to this end.

The mainstream press on both sides of the Atlantic will howl against any agreement between Trump and Putin—no matter what’s in it. So why not take steps that the American public will instinctively understand and that will provide the support for Trump to end America’s failed interventions? Besides what are his opponents going to do? Vilify him for seeking peace and starting the process of healing the many wounds of the wars? The American people are not fooled by false claims that Trump is soft on terrorism; they are aware that U.S. military interventions oftentimes can—and do—fuel terrorism.

President Trump should propose a drawdown of American troops in Afghanistan in exchange for a drawdown of Russian troops in Syria (along with a pledge that America has no interest in reengaging in the Syrian Civil War). This would be consistent with Trump’s oft-stated observation that America’s wars (declared and undeclared) in the Middle East have been a waste.

Trump need not “recognize” the Russian annexation of Crimea but he should assert that a resolution to the situation on the ground in Ukraine is a European matter - to be settled by bilateral negotiations between Russia and Europe.

Understanding of this magnitude would obviate the main pretext for the senseless escalation of pecuniary diplomatic sanctions - the defenestration of embassy and consulate staff - on the parts of both Russia and the United States. The return of the possibility of civilian travel between the two nations would do wonders to lower tensions. (Remember, even at the height of the Cold War, President Eisenhower argued that populations denied contact with each other would tend to be suspicious of each other—and prone to minor conflicts that could escalate into larger wars.)

The American public is not interested in diplomatic and media theater. They know two things to be true: the failing “Trump-Russia collusion” hysteria is proving baseless (and distracting from concerns over economic growth and jobs); and whatever America’s international security interests are in the Middle East, we are all better protected with allies that face similar threats.

Russia has more reason to be concerned over Islamic terrorism than America. Their southern border touches on several Islamic countries: Turkey, Iran, Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, and Afghanistan. The instability created by America’s misguided military adventures has, for years, been unsettling to Russia. According to a friend who has long studied Russia, America’s post-Cold War military aggression, starting in the Balkans, began the ascension to power of Russian military hardliners who were skeptical of America’s intentions for peace.

Russia has a significantly better understanding of and influence over most of those countries, including Iran. America’s relationship with Iran has long been hostile due to years of interference and mistreatment. The relationship was seriously complicated in 1953 when our CIA and British intelligence overthrew their democratically elected prime minister, Mohammad Mosaddegh, and placed the brutal Shah in power. The Washington keyboard warriors never mention this sad chapter in our history. Imagine how we would feel towards a country that interfered with us to that extent.

How much smarter would it be for Russia to work with its neighbor Iran to limit the civil war in Yemen, than for America to continue to provide military support to Saudi Arabia to perpetuate a colossal human tragedy?

The naysayers ridiculed Trump’s peace initiative with North Korea, and yet his denuclearization and pacification of the Korean Peninsula advances (in contrast to the efforts of four previous American presidential administrations). Given that Trump and Kim could sit together, what stands in the way of progress with Putin?

The past year and a half of Russophobia have been driven by the “bitter clingers” of Hillary’s failed national political ambitions, the military-industrial complex, corporate interests, corporate media, the Washington/New York/Hollywood commentariat, and foreign lobbyists. Too many of them profit from an endless state of war—throughout the world and, in particular, with Russia.

Washington and its clients are terrified that the war gravy train will be slowed or stopped. Our NATO clients are afraid of carrying their own national defense burdens. Washington neocons are perfectly willing to continue to waste the lives of our devoted military to protect both their funding and a world order that the West’s victory in the Cold War has rendered moot.

Again, the American people share no such delusions and are overwhelmingly tired of the wars they cannot explain or even locate on a globe. These wars have damaged and destroyed American families. War proponents’ repeated incantations about “supporting the troops” instead of keeping them home to protect their families and our country has worn thin.

We hear stories about parents being separated from their children at our borders, but not a peep about the American children being separated from their soldier parents and parents being separated from their soldier sons and daughters abroad.

The July 16 Trump-Putin summit is an opportunity for the president to act boldly in the face of near-total establishment opposition and work to bring peace to a war-weary world. If he works to reduce America’s involvement in its wars, the Russo-American disagreements will fade.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-11/peace-putin-end-americas-pointless-wars
 

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Here's a view of the left approaching apoplexy:

Hardcore Hitler on Hitler in Helsinki



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Wed, 11 Jul 2018 12:17 UTC






Here it comes, the moment we've been waiting for, when Trump and Putin meet in Helsinki to officially launch the Destruction of Democracy, and very possibly the Apocalypse itself. That's right, folks, once again, it appears we're looking at the end of everything, because according to the corporate media, on July 16, 2018, Trump is probably going to disband NATO so that Putin can invade the Baltic states, then Germany, then the rest of Europe, and then presumably order an all-out thermonuclear strike on the United States, which will pretty much end civilization as we know it. Or perhaps the plan is to do away with NATO, withdraw all American troops from Poland, let Putin rape and pillage Western Europe, and then have North Korea nuke both coasts of the US mainland (and Canada, of course) so that a Putin-Nazified Middle Amerika will have carte blanche to exterminate the Mexicans and make women wear those "Handmaid" costumes, or some other ridiculously paranoid scenario, possibly involving Susan Sarandon as some kind of Putin-Nazi triple agent.

Tragically, the global neoliberal establishment is completely powerless to stop Trump and Putin from carrying out this evil scheme (whatever it turns out to be in the end), because even the US Intelligence Community has to obey the law, after all, and not do anything sneaky, or unethical, not even with the fate of democracy at stake. No, unlike the Russians, who go around blatantly poisoning people with novichok oatmeal more or less whenever they like, the global capitalist ruling classes' hands are tied by their own integrity. All they can do is watch in horror as these two Hitlerian megalomaniacs destroy their entire global empire and establish a thousand-year Putin-Nazi Reich.

Thank God at least the corporate media are raising their collective voices in protest. In a recent piece in The Washington Post, Max Bergmann of the Center for American Progress warns that "this is a summit about appeasement, and we should be terrified that Trump is going to sell out America and its allies." According to Bergmann, Trump might "accidentally" share state secrets with Putin, or promise to reduce support for our freedom-loving Ukrainian Nazis, or stop trying to overthrow the Syrian government so that Syria, with the help of Russia and Iran, can launch a sneak attack on Israel and drive "the Jews" into the sea. Worse still, Bergmann speculates, he might make "secret agreements" with Putin without telling the editors of The Washington Post, which ... God help us all if that ever happened.

Not to be out-apocalypsed by The Post, Roger Cohen of The New York Times published a full-blown dystopian vision wherein Trump, Putin, Marine Le Pen, the AfD, and a variety of other globalist-hating Hitler-alikes form "the Alliance of Authoritarian and Reactionary States" (the "AARS"), disband the European Union and NATO, impose international martial law, and start ethnically cleansing the West of immigrants. Matteo Salvini and Horst Seehofer, decked out in full Putin-Nazi regalia, personally supervise the genocidal purges, which frightened Europeans come to support after Putin's irresistible "fake news" bots brainwash them into believing that a little Russian girl named "Tatiana" has been abducted by Moroccan migrants off a beach along the Costa del Sol.

And as if that wasn't horrifying enough to whip folks up into a mindless frenzy, The New York Times (which, let's remember, is an extremely distinguished and respected newspaper, and not at all a cheap propaganda rag) produced this charming little animated film depicting Putin and Trump as ... well, a couple of tongue-sucking, titty-pinching homos. I found this kind of weird at first, as I had thought such ugly anti-gay sentiment had disappeared from liberal society, but apparently it's fine in Resistance circles to stigmatize your enemies as butt-humping queers in order to render them more repulsive in the eyes of your sophisticated, liberal audience. I did a little research, and it appears this "Hitler on Hitler" porno The Times produced is just the latest in a ratherlong line of Trump on Putin "homo" jokes, which are perfectly harmless when told by liberals, but when told by conservatives are homophobic hate crimes.

Look, I'm not a fan of poofter humor, or the corporate media, or the so-called "Resistance," but neither am I a fan of Trump, nor am I, technically, an employee of Putin. What I am is a student of propaganda, media manipulation, and mass hysteria, and though I experienced the roll-out of the War on Terror, and assorted other propaganda campaigns (like Obama's "Hope and Change" routine, Reagan's "Morning in America" schtick, George H.W. Bush's "New World Order," and Bill Clinton's "Third Way" happy horseshit), I have never witnessed anything like this. Most of those other propaganda campaigns at least bore some vague resemblance to reality. What we're experiencing now is more akin to the kind of behavior that goes on in cults ... where people are conditioned to surrender their reason (and, ultimately, to conform their perception) to whatever paranoid official narrative the leader of the cult has invented, and eventually to direct their fear and hatred, not only at the cult's official enemy, but at anyone who questions the cult's "reality."

If you believe cults work because people are gullible, or stupid, you need to do some research. Cults work because their members are gradually conditioned to detach from "society" (i.e., the social body that conditioned them as children) and conform to the social body of the cult. This conditioning happens systematically, often over the course of years. Scientology cult members are not introduced to the "body thetans" story the day they walk in. Nor were the Manson girls ready to butcher a house full of people for Charlie at first ... it took months of orgies, acid trips, and other de- and re-programming techniques to get them to buy into his paranoid prophecy of Imminent Racist Hippie Apocalypse.

Which is what I find so disturbing, presently. The ease with which the neoliberal ruling classes have programmed millions of Western consumers to believe a narrative no less ridiculous than Scientology's "body thetans," Manson's "Helter Skelter" ... or take your pick of any number of other cult narratives. The speed at which they switched from the War on Terror narrative to the Putin-Nazi narrative attests to the power of the corporate media and the neoliberal propaganda machine, generally. It really is an amazing achievement. In less than two years, they managed to condition a significant portion of the Western masses to forget about "the Islamic terrorists" that they had been conditioned to live in fear of, and to transfer their fear and hatred to Trump, and Putin, and anyone who appears to support them, or doesn't sufficiently hate and fear them.

The ruling classes have achieved this feat by generating an ongoing series of episodes of mass hysteria. Most of them last a week or two, but their cumulative effect is powerful and enduring. Fake news, bots, travel bans, Confederate statues, neo-Nazi rallies, "novichok" attacks, kids in cages ... anything the corporate media can use to channel more hatred toward Trump and Putin. None of these episodes are generated out of whole cloth. Obviously, the Russians are pursuing their interests, there is a white supremacist subculture in the United States, as there always has been, those kids were put in those cages, and so on ... none of which began with Trump, or has anything exclusively to do with Putin, or triggered mass protests and widespread outrage until the neoliberal ruling classes and corporate media decided it should.

The upcoming summit is next on the list. It won't be as juicy as the baby concentration camps, but it will do as far as reminding people that Trump is a secret Russian operative, or traitor (or quisling, as Paul Krugman would have it), conspiring with Putin to destroy democracy ... that is, when they're not fellating each other. Once the summit has come and gone, and democracy has miraculously survived, they will generate another round of Hitler hysteria, and Resistance cultists will spring into action like salivating Pavlov's dogs, denouncing whatever unspeakable horror they had completely ignored for the previous eight years, jabbering about concentration camps, and ripping MAGA hats off teenagers. Purely for the sake of entertainment, I'm hoping it will be the secret Nazi code the Department of Homeland Security is embedding in its press materials, presumably to alert the Underground Network of Putin-Nazi Militias to stand by for imminent government takeover, the "securing of the future for white people and their children," and the weeks of homosexual Odinist orgies that are sure to follow.

Seriously, though, the absolute genius of the ruling classes' Putin-Nazi narrative (which rational people are underestimating) is that it is virtually impossible to criticize it without being labeled a Trump supporter, a Putin apologist, or a crypto-Nazi. Like Scientology's Suppressive Persons (i.e., those who criticize Scientology), Putin-Nazi narrative deniers "seek to upset, continuously undermine, spread bad news about and denigrate" the cult. These are typically ex-cult members who no longer subscribe to official cult teachings, and are thus an existential ideological threat. Such persons are to be stigmatized and shunned, "so that others will know not to associate with them." (Those quotes are from the Scientology website, but the same rules apply in every cult.)

Glenn Greenwald is probably the best example of a prominent Putin-Nazi narrative denier (and he is harassed for it on an daily basis), but an hour or two of research on Twitter will reveal the same dynamic at work against much less famous "pillow biting traitors." Nor is it just fanatical cultists on Twitter. If you happened to google your humble narrator at any point during the last nine months, and were concerned that the people "People Also Search For" in my "Knowledge Panel" are mostly anti-Semites and "alt-right" types ... well, I wrote about that in November of last year. (I have since repeatedly written to Google and advised them to occasionally alternate the anti-Semites they are associating me with, as using the exactly the same ones for months is lazy, and makes it rather difficult to blame their "search results" on some innocent algorithm.)

But what do I know? Maybe I'm just paranoid, and Google isn't out to get me. Or maybe they know me better than myself, and I really am a crypto-Nazi, or some other kind of Suppressive Person, and democracy really is on the brink of disaster. After all, Glenn Greenwald just flew over to Moscow, and was selfied in the company of Edward Snowden, and Putin is poisoning random people in Amesbury for no apparent reason, and Susan Sarandon hacked the election, or dropped a Sarin bomb on Douma, or else Putin did, or maybe it was Xenu, or the Russians are about to take down the entire American fiberoptic network, and I almost forgot those four hundred white supremacist idiots who are planning to gather and bellow Nazi slogans at each other in Lafayette Square on August 12, and who are already receiving international coverage, because we can't afford to ignore a few hundred racist morons in polo shirts ... if we did, well, who knows what that might lead to? People might actually have a moment to pause and think about what's going on, and why it's going on, and who it serves, and try to put it all into some kind of perspective, before they react to the next Pavlovian stimulus the media waves in their faces. Ready? Good. Because here it comes ...
 

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Should Trump stay away or should he go?


Trump Should Cancel Putin Summit Over Indictments, Democrats Say


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Democrats pounced on Special Counsel Robert S. Mueller’s indictment of a dozen Russian military officers for their efforts to interfere in the 2016 U.S. election, with some saying Monday’s Donald Trump-Vladimir Putin summit should be canceled.

“These indictments are further proof of what everyone but the president seems to understand: President Putin is an adversary who interfered in our elections to help President Trump win,” Senate Minority Leader Charles E. Schumer, D-N.Y., said in a statement.

“President Trump should cancel his meeting with Vladimir Putin until Russia takes demonstrable and transparent steps to prove that they won’t interfere in future elections,” Schumer said. “Glad-handing with Vladimir Putin on the heels of these indictments would be an insult to our democracy.”

Eighteen Democratic members of the House Foreign Affairs Committee quickly sent Trump a letter demanding the same following the indictment announcement.

“Russia has shown itself to be an adversary of the United States and our allies and a serious threat to global peace, security, and stability,” they wrote to Trump. “And, today, Special Counsel Mueller indicted twelve Russian military officers for hacking the Democratic National Committee — a direct attack on our democracy.”

Earlier Friday during a press conference overseas with his British counterpart, Trump vowed to press Putin about his government’s interference in the 2016 American election — though he appeared to leave open, as always, the possibility that he won’t.

“I will absolutely bring that up. I don’t think you’ll have any, ‘Gee, I didn’t, I didn’t, you got me,’” he told reporters. “I don’t think you’ll have any Perry Mason here. I don’t think. But you never know what happens. But I’ll very firmly ask the question.”

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., did not call for the Helsinki summit to be nixed, but she did say in her own statement that “the stakes for the upcoming Trump-Putin meeting could not be higher.”

She wants Trump to “demand and secure a real, concrete and comprehensive agreement that the Russians will cease their ongoing attacks on our democracy.”

Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, who was DNC chair at the time of the hacking, issued a statement Friday that said the organization “was the first major target of the Russian attack on our democracy.”

“I strongly believe that every individual who helped carry it out — foreign or domestic — should be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law,” she said. “I’m pleased that the Justice Department is following the facts wherever they may lead, despite Donald Trump’s dangerous distortions and his refusal to acknowledge the conclusions reached by the American intelligence community.”

The White House quickly tried to use the indictment to further its claims that the president’s 2016 campaign did not conspire with Russians.

“Today’s charges include no allegations of knowing involvement by anyone on the [Trump] campaign and no allegations that the alleged hacking affected the election result,” White House deputy press secretary Lindsay Walters said. “This is consistent with what we have been saying all along.”

Republican members were mostly mum about Friday’s new indictments.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...dictments-democrats-say/ar-AAA2a43?ocid=ientp


 

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I say he goes. You never know...the timing might have been a plan between Trump and Mueller...just saying. Or, it could just be the deep state trying to CYA and keep Trump from meeting with Putin.
 

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Johnny chimes in...……………...

John McCain calls on Trump to CANCEL summit in Helsinki 'unless he is prepared to hold Putin accountable for election tampering' after 12 Russian agents are charged in Mueller investigation

  • John McCain says Putin is US' 'enemy' after 12 agents charged with meddling
  • Agents accused of hacking emails, stealing voter information, damaging leaks
  • This is the first time Russia has been directly implicated in Mueller investigation
  • The Kremlin has denied the Russian state was involved in election tampering
  • McCain, many Democrats calling for upcoming Russia summit to be cancelled
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-Helsinki-Russian-agents-charged-hacking.html
 

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The Globalist Elite Fears Peace, Wants War


by Tyler Durden
Fri, 07/13/2018 - 23:25


Authored by Federico Pieraccini via The Strategic Culture Foundation,

The announced meeting between Trump and Putin has already produced a good result by revealing the hypocrisy of the media and politicians. The meeting has been branded as the greatest danger to humanity, according to the Western globalist elite, because of the danger that "peace could break out between Russia and the United States".



Sometimes reality is stranger than fiction. The following so stretches credulity that sources will have to be cited and an exact quotations given to be believed.

A case in point is the following title:
"Fears growing over the prospect of Trump 'peace deal' with Putin".



The Times does not here fear a military escalation in Ukraine, an armed clash in Syria, a false-flag poisoning in England, or a new Cold War. The Times does not fear a nuclear apocalypse, the end of humanity, the suffering of hundreds of millions of people.

No, one of the most authoritative and respected broadsheets in the world is fearful of the prospect of peace! The Times is afraid that the heads of two nuclear-armed superpowers are able to talk to each other. The Times fears that Putin and Trump will be able to come to some kind of agreement that can help avert the danger of a global catastrophe. These are the times in which we live. And this is the type of media we deal with. The problem with The Times is that it forms public opinion in the worst possible way, confusing, deceiving, and disorienting its readers. It is not by accident the world in which we live is increasingly divorced from logic and rationality.

Even if the outcome of this meeting does not see any substantial progress, the most important thing to be achieved will be the dialogue between the two leaders and the opening of negotiation channels for both sides.

In The Times article, it is assumed that Trump and Putin want to reach an agreement regarding Europe. The insinuation is that Putin is manipulating Trump in order to destabilize Europe. For years now we have been inundated with such fabrications by the media on behalf of their editors and shareholders, all part of the deep state conglomerate. Facts have in fact proven that Putin has always desired a strong and united Europe, looking to integrate Europe into the Eurasian dream. Putin and Xi Jinping would like to see a European Union more resistant to American pressure and able to gain greater independence. The combination of mass migration and sanctions against Russia and Iran, which end up hurting Europeans, opens the way for alternative parties that are not necessarily willing to Washington’s marching orders.

Trump's focus for the meeting will be to convince Putin to put even more pressure on Europe and Iran, perhaps in exchange for the recognition of Crimea and the ending of sanctions. For Putin and for Russia it is a strategic issue. While sanctions are bad, the top priority for Moscow remains the alliance with Iran, the need to further strengthen relations with European countries, and to defeat terrorism in Syria. Perhaps only a revision of the ABM treaty and the withdrawal of these weapons from Europe would be an interesting offer for Putin.

However, reality shows us that the ABM treaty is a pillar of Washington’s military-industrial complex, and that it is also Eastern European countries that want such offensive and defensive systems in their own countries, seeing them as a deterrents against Russia. Are they victims of their own propaganda, or are billions of dollars pouring into their pockets? Either way, it does not really matter. The most important point for Moscow will be the withdrawal of the Aegis Ashore ABM systems as well as military ships with the same Aegis system. But this is not something that Trump will be able to negotiate with his military leaders. For the military-industrial complex, the ABM system, thanks to maintenance, innovation and direct or indirect commissions, is a gravy train that too many interests intend to keep riding.

From the Kremlin's point of view, the removal of sanctions remains necessary for the restoration of normal relations with the West. But this would be difficult to achieve, given that Moscow would have little to offer Washington in exchange. The strategists at the Pentagon demand a withdrawal from Syria, an end to support for Donbass, and a cessation of relations with Iran. There is simply too much divergence to reach a common position. Moreover, Europe’s sanctions against Russia benefit Washington, as they hurt the Europeans and thereby undermine what is a major trading competitor to the US. The US withdrawal from the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action (JCPOA) can be looked at in the same light, blocking US allies from doing business with Iran.

Putin will keep faith with his commitments to Syria and with his allies, unwilling to betray his word even for the recognition of Crimea. On the other hand, as already mentioned, the priority remains the removal of the ABM; and while Crimea is already under the control of the Russian Federation, Syria remains an unstable territory that risks propelling Islamist terrorism to Russia’s soft underbelly in the Caucasus. For Moscow, involvement in Syria has always been a matter of national security, and this certainly remains the same now, even with Donald Trump's unrealistic offers.

It should be kept in mind that Putin is aiming for a medium- to long-term strategy in the Middle East, where Iran, Syria and the entire Shiite arc serves to counter Saudi and Israeli aggression and hegemony. This strange alliance has emerged as the only way to deter war and dial down the heat in the region, because the crazy actions from Netanyahu or Mohammad bin Salman are deterred by a strong Iranian military.

Preventing a confrontation between Iran and Saudis/Israelis also means not making Tehran appear weak or isolated. Such considerations seem beyond the strategists in Washington, let alone in Tel Aviv or Riyadh.

While it is difficult to achieve a positive outcome from the meeting between Trump and Putin, it is important that there is a meeting in the first place, contrary to what The Times thinks. The media and the conglomerate of power that revolves around the US deep state fear diplomacy in particular. The same narrative that was proclaimed weeks before and after the meeting between Trump and Kim Jong-un is being repeated with regard to Trump’s meeting with Putin.

Washington bases its power on force, both economic and military. But this power also rests on the posture assumed and image projected. The United States and its deep state considers negotiating with opponents to be wrong and counterproductive. They consider dialogue to be synonymous with weakness, and any concession is interpreted as surrender. This is the result of 70 years of American exceptionalism and 30 years of Unipolarity, has allowed the US the ability to decide unilaterally the fate of others.

Today, in a multipolar world, the dynamics are different and therefore more complex. You cannot always employ a zero-sum mentality, as The Times does. The rest of the world recognizes that a dialogue between Putin and Trump is something positive, but we must not forget that, as in Korea, if diplomacy does not bring significant progress, then the hawks surrounding Trump will again be in the ascendant. The tasks for Rouhani, Putin and Kim Jong-un are complex and quite different from each other, but they share in common the belief that dialogue is the only way to avoid a catastrophic war. But apparently, peace is not the best possible result for everyone.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-13/globalist-elite-fears-peace-wants-war


 

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Paul Craig Roberts: The View Of Russia From The West


by Tyler Durden
Fri, 07/13/2018 - 00:05


Authored by Paul Craig Roberts,

The upcoming Trump/Putin summit is hampered by the crazed portrait of Russia painted by presstitutes.



Jonathan Chait, Amy Knight, Max Bergmann, Yaroslav Trofimov, Roger Cohen, and the rest of the conscious or de facto CIA assets that comprise the Western presstitute media have turned Putin into a superhuman who controls election outcomes throughout the West, murders people without rhyme or reason, and has President Trump under his thumb doing Putin’s bidding. Who could imagine a more extreme conspiracy theory?

Jonathan Chait in New York magazine writes that “the dark crevices of the Russia scandal run deep,” so deep that “it would be dangerous not to consider the possibility that the summit is less a negotiation between two heads of state than a meeting between a Russian-intelligence asset and his handler.”



So here is Chait, who brands truth-tellers “conspiracy theorists” coming up with the greatest conspiracy theory of our time that President Trump has been a Kremlim asset since 1987. Chait provides a ”crazy quilt of connections” to illustrate his absurd conspiracy theory that

“it’s not necessary to believe that Putin always knew he might install Trump in the Oval Office to find the following situation highly plausible: Sometime in 2015, the Russian president recognized that he had, in one of his unknown number of intelligence files, an inroad into American presidential politics.”​

Chait believes that Russia is also behind the UK’s exit from the European Union.

“Driving Britain out of the European Union advanced the decades-long Russian goal of splitting Western nations apart, and Russia found willing allies on the British far right.”​

Chait gets even more conspiratorial. He admits that Paul Manafort’s indictments for alleged white collar crimes are not related to Trump’s election, having occurred years previously in Ukraine. Nevertheless, Chait is certain that Manafort is shielding Trump even though according to Chait Manafort is facing many years in prison. Why would Manafort shield Trump? Chait’s answer:

“One way to make sense of his behavior is the possibility that Manafort is keeping his mouth shut because he’s afraid of being killed. That speculation might sound hyperbolic, but there is plenty of evidence to support it. In February, a video appeared on YouTube showing Manafort’s patron Deripaska on his yacht with a Belarusian escort named Anastasia Vashukevich.”​

Chait’s article is long and heavily weighted with innuendo. Chait, or whoever wrote the article, possibly the person who wrote the Steele Dossier, collects every disparaging fact and fantasy about Trump and assembles them in a way to paint a portrait of a person who must also, without much doubt, be a Russian agent. If the public can be convinced of this, the military/security complex can assassinate Trump and blame Putin for getting rid of an asset who was exposed by the Russiagate investigation, no longer useful, and perhaps prepared to spill the beans.

Another conspiracy theorist, Amy Knight, writes that “The real question is where does the Russian criminal state end and the criminal underworld begin, and how do they work together in what amounts to a new murder incorporated?”

Yaroslav Trofimov tells us in the Wall Street Journal (July 7) that:

“Putin maps out his own empire” to replace the lost Soviet one.​

In the Washington Post Max Bergmann tells us that Trump is going to sell out NATO in Helsinki.

This line leads to the supposition that Putin is using Trump to unleash the Russian military on Europe.

Many conspiracy theorists have come together on the view that first the Baltic States will be invaded and then Putin will move on to Germany and the rest of Europe.

The New York Times’ Roger Cohen even pulls Marine Le Pen into the plot which widens to include ethnically cleansing the West of the refugees from Washington’s wars.



This is the level of absurdity that the American media delivers to the public’s understanding of foreign affairs.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-07-12/paul-craig-roberts-view-russia-west
 

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What is an ideal outcome of Putin-Trump meeting? Russian FM tells Larry King (EXCLUSIVE)
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Published on Jul 14, 2018
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov has shared his view on what would be an “ideal” outcome of a Trump-Putin meeting, in an interview with Larry King that covered a wide range of topics, from Crimea to NATO and Syria.

READ MORE: https://on.rt.com/9a3x
 

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Russia is a predominately Christian nation that turned it's back on communism over 20 years ago. The Russian people suffered through a pretty rough adjustment to a more capitalist, open society but they stuck to it.
Look around youtube. Russian people like blue jeans, American cars and surfing. They hunt and fish and enjoy sports.
They want to earn a living, raise a family and go on vacation once in a while.

What I am saying is the Russian people are more like us than the Ministry of Truth ever wanted us to know. President Trump could negotiate a trade deal with Russia and both countries would benefit enormously. Not only that but in very few years of open trade Russia would look a lot more like the US and the thought that we used to be bitter foes would all but forgotten.

THAT is what the demonrats, war mongering neocons and the deep state in general are the most afraid of.
And it could very well happen with Putin and Trump leading their respective countries.

fleporeblog says:
July 13, 2018 at 8:21 pm
Again if you think any of these bastards are going to get away with it, you don’t have fate in our President. The entire IC community as well as the previous administration are petrified of the meeting our President is having with President Putin on Monday. They are doing everything in their power to stop him from going. That is why you had that BS drop today.
They are petrified of what Putin may share with our President. Remember, the previous administration sold their souls to Russia through U1 and getting Russia

to back the moronic Iran deal which was not beneficial to Russia .

Iran is a member of OPEC. Having them eliminated from the equation would be much more beneficial to Russia.
Why do you think our President has been hammering home the deal between Germany and Russia for that pipeline. Do you think that was part of the agreement to get the Russians to play along knowing that Iran would kill some of their profits by having Iran free of all sanctions.
Wake up and look at everything rather than concentrating on this detail. The day of reckoning is approaching. Our President has his reasons and that is good enough with me. Sit back and enjoy the ride!


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the stew. quick. Stir!
 

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Russia is a predominately Christian nation that turned it's back on communism over 20 years ago. The Russian people suffered through a pretty rough adjustment to a more capitalist, open society but they stuck to it.
Look around youtube. Russian people like blue jeans, American cars and surfing. They hunt and fish and enjoy sports.
They want to earn a living, raise a family and go on vacation once in a while.

What I am saying is the Russian people are more like us than the Ministry of Truth ever wanted us to know. President Trump could negotiate a trade deal with Russia and both countries would benefit enormously. Not only that but in very few years of open trade Russia would look a lot more like the US and the thought that we used to be bitter foes would all but forgotten.

THAT is what the demonrats, war mongering neocons and the deep state in general are the most afraid of.
And it could very well happen with Putin and Trump leading their respective countries.

fleporeblog says:
July 13, 2018 at 8:21 pm
Again if you think any of these bastards are going to get away with it, you don’t have fate in our President. The entire IC community as well as the previous administration are petrified of the meeting our President is having with President Putin on Monday. They are doing everything in their power to stop him from going. That is why you had that BS drop today.
They are petrified of what Putin may share with our President. Remember, the previous administration sold their souls to Russia through U1 and getting Russia
to back the moronic Iran deal which was not beneficial to Russia .


Iran is a member of OPEC. Having them eliminated from the equation would be much more beneficial to Russia.
Why do you think our President has been hammering home the deal between Germany and Russia for that pipeline. Do you think that was part of the agreement to get the Russians to play along knowing that Iran would kill some of their profits by having Iran free of all sanctions.
Wake up and look at everything rather than concentrating on this detail. The day of reckoning is approaching. Our President has his reasons and that is good enough with me. Sit back and enjoy the ride!


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I'll defer to you on what the Russian people are like, but will add that I would love nothing more than all nations to simply leave each other alone and treat each other to fair trade. But, alas, this won't happen.