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I'm back as a proponent for Sputnik V, based on 20+ years of previous coronavirus vaccines. It uses a "live virus" (actually 2 I think, one in each shot) which is a bit of a concern. The CCP vaccine is non mRNA too, but uses a "dead virus", and has no "track history".... but I'm quite wary of the CCP...
 

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If I have too get jabbed I'd write or phone the Russian Embassy to see if I can get the Sputnik V "VACCINE".
Something Moderna & Pfizer don't have.
J&J maybe, Not enough info out yet.
 

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If I have too get jabbed I'd write or phone the Russian Embassy to see if I can get the Sputnik V "VACCINE".
Something Moderna & Pfizer don't have.
J&J maybe, Not enough info out yet.
Or a trip to Mexico, where it's available (if you can find some - not enough for everybody... but "at a price" in Mexico, probably...) Normally $10/shot.
 

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The CCP vaccine is non mRNA too, but uses a "dead virus", and has no "track history".... but I'm quite wary of the CCP...
You should be. Knowin' them, it's prolly got melamine in it.
 

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Or a trip to Mexico, where it's available (if you can find some - not enough for everybody... but "at a price" in Mexico, probably...) Normally $10/shot.
I just read some place where BIDET is send Mexico jabs from Moderna/Pfizer for their president closing down their Southern Border.
Don't trust OUR .gov. Won't trust what they got in Mexico.
 

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I'm back as a proponent for Sputnik V, based on 20+ years of previous coronavirus vaccines. It uses a "live virus" (actually 2 I think, one in each shot) which is a bit of a concern. The CCP vaccine is non mRNA too, but uses a "dead virus", and has no "track history".... but I'm quite wary of the CCP...

Victor Orban in Hungary authorized BOTH of those vaccines in his country, without waiting for EU "approval".
Actually, under the Treaty of Lisbon, individual EU countries REMAIN INDEPENDENT as to their HEALTH CHOICES, so the point should be MOOT.
Also, I think Slovenia just allowed Sputnik V, and Italy is requesting EU permission (why?), the mayor of the City of Nice in France is requesting permission too, and says he has contacts that would deliver it... That mayor, Christian Estrosi, caught Covid19 last year with his family, and got it successfully treated with HCQ and an antibiotic, which are STILL AGAINST THE LAW FOR THE REST OF THE POPULATION...

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I just read some place where BIDET is send Mexico jabs from Moderna/Pfizer for their president closing down their Southern Border.
Don't trust OUR .gov. Won't trust what they got in Mexico.
I'd read the label... ;)
 

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I'd read the label... ;)
I'd probably feel better if I could NOT read the label because it would be in Cyrillic. I'm thinkin'.
Spanish I can decode enough to figure the rest out. :secret:
 

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I'd probably feel better if I could NOT read the label because it would be in Cyrillic. I'm thinkin'.
Spanish I can decode enough to figure the rest out. :secret:
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Victor Orban in Hungary authorized BOTH of those vaccines in his country, without waiting for EU "approval".
Actually, under the Treaty of Lisbon, individual EU countries REMAIN INDEPENDENT as to their HEALTH CHOICES, so the point should be MOOT.
Also, I think Slovenia just allowed Sputnik V, and Italy is requesting EU permission (why?), the mayor of the City of Nice in France is requesting permission too, and says he has contacts that would deliver it... That mayor, Christian Estrosi, caught Covid19 last year with his family, and got it successfully treated with HCQ and an antibiotic, which are STILL AGAINST THE LAW FOR THE REST OF THE POPULATION...

Rules for thee, not for me...
That's what I love about this place. Local information from all around the world. THANKS!
 

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mother in law got jabbed the second time and it put her in the hospital. pneumonia along with some of her other medical issues being amped up way beyond standard numbers for her. I know there are some out there that have to take this shit, but I for one won't take it, don't matter what the consequences, I'm not a guinea pig.
 

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Israeli Rabbi Chananya Weissman’s 31 Reasons Why I Won’t Take the Vaccine

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/i...criminal-court-over-nuremberg-code-violation/


1.It’s not a vaccine. A vaccine by definition provides immunity to a disease. This does not provide immunity to anything. In a best-case scenario, it merely reduces the chance of getting a severe case of a virus if one catches it. Hence, it is a medical treatment, not a vaccine. I do not want to take a medical treatment for an illness I do not have.
2.The drug companies, politicians, medical establishment, and media have joined forces to universally refer to this as a vaccine when it is not one, with the intention of manipulating people into feeling safer about undergoing a medical treatment. Because they are being deceitful, I do not trust them, and want nothing to do with their medical treatment.
3.The presumed benefits of this medical treatment are minimal and would not last long in any case. The establishment acknowledges this, and is already talking about additional shots and ever-increasing numbers of new “vaccines” that would be required on a regular basis. I refuse to turn myself into a chronic patient who receives injections of new pharmaceutical products on a regular basis simply to reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a virus that these injections do not even prevent.
4.I can reduce my chances of getting a severe case of a virus by strengthening my immune system naturally. In the event I catch a virus, there are vitamins and well-established drugs that have had wonderful results in warding off the illness, without the risks and unknowns of this medical treatment.
5.The establishment insists that this medical treatment is safe. They cannot possibly know this because the long-term effects are entirely unknown, and will not be known for many years. They may speculate that it is safe, but it is disingenuous for them to make such a claim that cannot possibly be known. Because they are being disingenuous, I do not trust them, and I want no part of their treatment.
6.The drug companies have zero liability if anything goes wrong, and cannot be sued. Same for the politicians who are pushing this treatment. I will not inject myself with a new, experimental medical device when the people behind it accept no liability or responsibility if something goes wrong. I will not risk my health and my life when they refuse to risk anything.
7.Israel’s Prime Minister has openly admitted that the Israeli people are the world’s laboratory for this experimental treatment. I am not interested in being a guinea pig or donating my body to science.
8.Israel agreed to share medical data of its citizens with a foreign drug company as a fundamental part of their agreement to receive this treatment. I never consented for my personal medical data to be shared with any such entity, nor was I even asked. I will not contribute to this sleazy enterprise.
9.The executives and board members at Pfizer are on record that they have not taken their own treatment, despite all the fanfare and assurances. They are claiming that they would consider it unfair to “cut the line”. This is a preposterous excuse, and it takes an unbelievable amount of chutzpah to even say such a thing. Such a “line” is a figment of their own imagination; if they hogged a couple of injections for themselves no one would cry foul. In addition, billionaires with private jets and private islands are not known for waiting in line until hundreds of millions of peasants all over the world go first to receive anything these billionaires want for themselves.
10.The establishment media have accepted this preposterous excuse without question or concern. Moreover, they laud Pfizer’s executives for their supposed self-sacrifice in not taking their own experimental treatment until we go first. Since they consider us such fools, I do not trust them, and do not want their new treatment. They can have my place in line. I’ll go to the very back of the line.
11.Three facts that must be put together:

  • Bill Gates is touting these vaccines as essential to the survival of the human race.
  • Bill Gates believes the world has too many people and needs to be “depopulated”.
  • Bill Gates, perhaps the richest man in the world, has also not been injected. No rush.
Uh, no. I’ll pass on any medical treatments he wants me to take.
12.The establishment has been entirely one-sided in celebrating this treatment. The politicians and media are urging people to take it as both a moral and civic duty. The benefits of the treatment are being greatly exaggerated, the risks are being ignored, and the unknowns are being brushed aside. Because they are being deceitful and manipulative, I will not gamble my personal wellbeing on their integrity.
13.There is an intense propaganda campaign for people to take this treatment. Politicians and celebrities are taking selfies of themselves getting injected (perhaps in some cases pretending to get injected), the media is hyping this as the coolest, smartest, most happy and fun thing to do. It is the most widespread marketing campaign in history. This is not at all appropriate for any medical treatment, let alone a brand new one, and it makes me recoil.
14.The masses are following in tow, posting pictures of themselves getting injected with a drug, feeding the mass peer pressure to do the same. There is something very alarming and sick about this, and I want no part of it. I never took drugs just because “everyone’s doing it” and it’s cool. I’m certainly not going to start now.
15.Those who raise concerns about this medical treatment are being bullied, slandered, mocked, censored, ostracized, threatened, and fired from their jobs. This includes medical professionals who have science-based concerns about the drug and caregivers who have witnessed people under their charge suffering horrible reactions and death shortly after being injected. When the establishment is purging good people who risk everything simply to raise concerns about a new medical treatment — even if they don’t outright oppose it — I will trust these brave people over the establishment every time. I cannot think of a single similar case in history when truth and morality turned out to be on the side of the establishment.
16.This is the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race.
17.It is purposely not being portrayed as the greatest medical experiment in the history of the human race, and the fact that it is a medical experiment at all is being severely downplayed.
18.Were they up front with the masses, very few would agree to participate in such an experiment. Manipulating the masses to participate in a medical experiment under false pretenses violates the foundations of medical ethics and democratic law. I will not allow unethical people who engage in such conduct to inject me with anything.
19.The medical establishment is not informing people about any of this. They have become marketing agents for an experimental drug, serving huge companies and politicians who have made deals with them. This is a direct conflict with their mandate to concern themselves exclusively with the wellbeing of the people under their care. Since the medical establishment has become corrupted, and has become nothing more than a corporate and political tool, I do not trust the experimental drug they want so badly to inject me with.
20.We are being pressured in various ways to get injected, which violates medical ethics and the foundations of democratic society. The best way to get me not to do something is to pressure me to do it.
21.The government has sealed their protocol related to the virus and treatments for THIRTY YEARS. This is information that the public has a right to know, and the government has a responsibility to share. What are they covering up? Do they really expect me to believe that everything is kosher about all this, and that they are concerned first and foremost with my health? The last time they did this was with the Yemenite Children Affair. If you’re not familiar with it, look it up. Now they’re pulling the same shtick. They didn’t fool me the first time, and they’re definitely not fooling me now.
22.The government can share our personal medical data with foreign corporations, but they won’t share their own protocol on the matter with us? I’m out.
23.The establishment has recruited doctors, rabbis, the media, and the masses to harangue people who don’t want to get injected with a new drug. We are being called the worst sort of names. We are being told that we believe in crazy conspiracies, that we are against science, that we are selfish, that we are murderers, that we don’t care about the elderly, that it’s our fault that the government continues to impose draconian restrictions on the public. It’s all because we don’t want to get injected with an experimental treatment, no questions asked. We are even being told that we have a religious obligation to do this, and that we are grave sinners if we do not. They say that if we do not agree to get injected, we should be forced to stay inside our homes forever and be ostracized from public life.
This is horrific, disgusting, a perversion of common sense, morality, and the Torah. It makes me recoil, and only further cements my distrust of these people and my opposition to taking their experimental drug. How dare they?
24.I know of many people who got injected, but none of them studied the science in depth, carefully weighed the potential benefits against the risks, compared this option to other alternatives, was truly informed, and decided this medical treatment was the best option for them. On the contrary, they got injected because of the hype, the propaganda, the pressure, the fear, blind trust in what “the majority of experts” supposedly believed (assuming THEY all studied everything in depth and were completely objective, which is highly dubious), blind trust in what certain influential rabbis urged them to do (ditto the above), or hysterical fear that the only option was getting injected or getting seriously ill from the virus. When I see mass hysteria and cult-like behavior surrounding a medical treatment, I will be extremely suspicious and avoid it.
25.The drug companies have a long and glorious history of causing mass carnage with wonder drugs they thrust on unsuspecting populations, even after serious problems had already become known. Instead of pressing the pause button and halting the marketing of these drugs until these issues could be properly investigated, the drug companies did everything in their power to suppress the information and keep pushing their products. When companies and people have demonstrated such gross lack of concern for human life, I will not trust them when they hype a new wonder drug. This isn’t our first rodeo.
26.Indeed, the horror stories are already coming in at warp speed, but the politicians are not the least bit concerned, the medical establishment is brushing them aside as unrelated or negligible, the media is ignoring it, the drug companies are steaming ahead at full speed, and those who raise a red flag continue to be bullied, censored, and punished. Clearly my life and my wellbeing are not their primary concern. I will not be their next guinea pig in their laboratory. I will not risk being the next “coincidence”.
27.Although many people have died shortly after getting injected — including perfectly healthy young people — we are not allowed to imply that the injection had anything to do with it. Somehow this is anti-science and will cause more people to die. I believe that denying any possible link, abusing people who speculate that there might be a link, and demonstrating not the slightest curiosity to even explore if there might be a link is what is anti-science and could very well cause more people to die. These same people believe I am obligated to get injected as well. No freaking thanks.
28.I am repulsed by the religious, cult-like worship of a pharmaceutical product, and will not participate in this ritual.
29.My “healthcare” provider keeps badgering me to get injected, yet they have provided me no information on this treatment or any possible alternatives. Everything I know I learned from others outside the establishment. Informed consent has become conformed consent. I decline.
30.I see all the lies, corruption, propaganda, manipulation, censorship, bullying, violation of medical ethics, lack of integrity in the scientific process, suppression of inconvenient adverse reactions, dismissal of legitimate concerns, hysteria, cult-like behavior, ignorance, closed-mindedness, fear, medical and political tyranny, concealment of protocols, lack of true concern for human life, lack of respect for basic human rights and freedoms, perversion of the Torah and common sense, demonization of good people, the greatest medical experiment of all time being conducted by greedy, untrustworthy, godless people, the lack of liability for those who demand I risk everything… I see all this and I have decided they can all have my place in line. I will put my trust in God. I will use the mind He blessed me with and trust my natural instincts. Which leads to the final reason which sums up why I will not get “vaccinated.”
31.The whole thing stinks.
 

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they will tell her its not the vaccine
The same thing happened to a friend of mine, who is an RN. She got whacked hard after the second shot, but she just thinks that proves that the shot is working. Following that track of thought, if the shot killed her, it would prove that it is 100% effective against Scary Virus.

I didn't directly challenge her decision to take the shot, that would have just triggered her defenses and ended the conversation on the spot. Instead, I just cited the stat's from the CDC's VAERS database, which indicate that 15% of people in their mid-60's can expect adverse effects from the shots; on the low end, this would be symptoms requiring a follow-up doctor's visit, on the high end, death and permanent disability. She expressed disbelief, but couldn't really argue the point, since I cited the CDC as support. You could sense the wheels of doubt beginning to slowly turn - mission accomplished.

Most people are now under complete mind control - control so deep, that it is self-perpetuating. No after-effects from the shot? That's great, not only is the shot 95% efficacious, it is completely safe! Wait, you had a high fever and chills for a week straight following the second dose? Why, that just proves that the shot is activating your immune system and doing what it should do. No outcome is bad, and every result supports the assertions of Big Pharma-Big Government-Big Media.

Months on end of relentless propaganda and gaslighting have reduced the masses to a bunch of senseless automatons, they are more than happy to acquiesce to the memes fed to them by their globalist masters.

I am planning a move soon, wherever I go, it won't be anywhere where there are masks and lockdowns.
 

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The same thing happened to a friend of mine, who is an RN. She got whacked hard after the second shot, but she just thinks that proves that the shot is working. Following that track of thought, if the shot killed her, it would prove that it is 100% effective against Scary Virus.

I didn't directly challenge her decision to take the shot, that would have just triggered her defenses and ended the conversation on the spot. Instead, I just cited the stat's from the CDC's VAERS database, which indicate that 15% of people in their mid-60's can expect adverse effects from the shots; on the low end, this would be symptoms requiring a follow-up doctor's visit, on the high end, death and permanent disability. She expressed disbelief, but couldn't really argue the point, since I cited the CDC as support. You could sense the wheels of doubt beginning to slowly turn - mission accomplished.

Most people are now under complete mind control - control so deep, that it is self-perpetuating. No after-effects from the shot? That's great, not only is the shot 95% efficacious, it is completely safe! Wait, you had a high fever and chills for a week straight following the second dose? Why, that just proves that the shot is activating your immune system and doing what it should do. No outcome is bad, and every result supports the assertions of Big Pharma-Big Government-Big Media.

Months on end of relentless propaganda and gaslighting have reduced the masses to a bunch of senseless automatons, they are more than happy to acquiesce to the memes fed to them by their globalist masters.

I am planning a move soon, wherever I go, it won't be anywhere where there are masks and lockdowns.
I don't even bring it up anymore. What's the use. Yes they are convinced the sicker you get the better the vaccine worked. What do you do with that?
 

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I don't even bring it up anymore. What's the use. Yes they are convinced the sicker you get the better the vaccine worked. What do you do with that?
Offer them a vaccine against all their ills.
A choice between strychnine and arsenic, for instance.
 

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The one shot one kill experimental "viral vector" Johnson and Johnson is not wasting anytime in claiming victims.


Reports are now surfacing of people dying following the recently authorized Johnson and Johnson experimental COVID shots here in the United States.

The Johnson and Johnson experimental COVID “vaccine” is not an mRNA “vaccine,” it is an “adenovirus” vaccine, but like mRNA vaccines, there are currently no approved adenovirus vaccines in the market, although the military has used experimental adenovirus vaccines that are not FDA approved.

So by getting the FDA to issue an EUA, which they did on February 27th, Johnson and Johnson can now test their experimental vaccine on the public as part of their Phase 3 trials.

The vaccine is being produced in Belgium, by the same company that in the past produced the anthrax vaccine that destroyed the lives of so many military personnel.
 

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I'm back as a proponent for Sputnik V, based on 20+ years of previous coronavirus vaccines. It uses a "live virus" (actually 2 I think, one in each shot) which is a bit of a concern. The CCP vaccine is non mRNA too, but uses a "dead virus", and has no "track history".... but I'm quite wary of the CCP...

It is unclear which shot Mrs. Dumón received. But as of February 21, Argentina had 1.2 million doses of the Russian Sputnik V viral vector shots. It also had 580,000 doses of the Oxford-AstraZeneca shots.

Mrs. Dumón most likely received the Sputnik V shot, as it has been the most readily-available in Argentina since January.

Not sure if it was the Sputnik or Astra Zeneca, yet odds are it was the Sputnik. On the other hand, Astra zeneca has already proved its a kill shot in Europe. Both vaccines are viral vectors.
 

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Instead of trying to rationalize which vax is the least risky in an attempt to eventually "go along to get along", follow Nancy's advice instead and just say no.

The only way this VaxPass BS they keep talking about imposing will be able to work is if a large majority voluntarily get it, or cave on their principles later on and get it. Right now what you are seeing so far is about 20% of the population rushing to get it, and there's at least that many who would do anything asked of them.
So before compromising on the issue, at least wait awhile and see if the demand keeps up, slows down, or even stops at some point.

Also, as long as it's only being used under an emergency authorization, I doubt that it can be legally mandated that everyone must take it.
...and the more people who hold off, the less likely it will be that a mandate will used.
 

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Instead of trying to rationalize which vax is the least risky in an attempt to eventually "go along to get along", follow Nancy's advice instead and just say no.

The only way this VaxPass BS they keep talking about imposing will be able to work is if a large majority voluntarily get it, or cave on their principles later on and get it.

Amen, Mr. King. Amen!
 

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Don’t worry about that. Here, have a donut.

 

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More on that subject ^^^

 

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There's an irony in this.

https://lifehacker.com/your-vaccination-card-will-score-you-free-krispy-kreme-1846515136

If you eat 1 donut per day, you'll qualify for the obese category next time.
There's a interesting vaccine undergoing testing for Covid effectiveness in Canada and may be approved in July here. It's not a mRNA vaccine and has been used for many years for other illnesses. In the interim I'll continue my ivermectin iMask+ Protocol ( https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-...s-–-A-Guide-to-the-Management-of-COVID-19.pdf ). https://www.lewrockwell.com/2021/03...ion-hold-out-for-this-already-proven-vaccine/
 
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Lord have mercy ! You get a free donut if you get as vaccine. We are doomed.
 

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Let’s pass out tequila shots at the AA meeting next
 

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What's most revealing about "The Plan" is looking at "News".
100% of "articles" and "headlines" are about vaccines or contamination or masks etc.
ZERO PERCENT are about PREVENTION or TREATMENT with readily available cheap supplements and medications.

BIAS = PROOF OF INTENT
 

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Pfizer (PFE) Begins Clinical Study on COVID-19 Antiviral Pill​


Pfizer PFE announced initiation of a phase I study on its investigational, novel oral antiviral therapeutic, PF-07321332, to treat COVID-19. The study is being conducted in the United States.

The phase I study is a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, single- and multiple-dose escalation study to evaluate the safety, tolerability and pharmacokinetics of PF-07321332. The phase I study progressed to multiple ascending doses after completing the dosing of single ascending doses in healthy adults.

PF-07321332 is a protease inhibitor designed to prevent viruses from replicating in cells. The candidate has shown anti-viral activity against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, as well as activity against other coronaviruses in in-vitro studies conducted to date. This means it has the potential to be used for treating COVID-19.

Pfizer has designed the oral candidate in such a way that it can be given at the first sign of infection without the patient requiring hospitalization or critical. Most medicines that have received emergency approval for treating COVID-19 can usually be prescribed to treat hospitalized patients or those with severe infection or patients at high risk for progressing to severe COVID-19.

Meanwhile. Pfizer’s intravenous antiviral protease inhibitor, PF-07304814, is being evaluated in a phase Ib multi-dose study as a treatment option for hospitalized COVID-19 patients.
 

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Pfizer (PFE) Begins Clinical Study on COVID-19 Antiviral Pill​


Pfizer PFE announced initiation of a phase I study on its investigational, novel oral antiviral therapeutic, PF-07321332, to treat COVID-19. The study is being conducted in the United States.

The phase I study is a randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled, single- and multiple-dose escalation study to evaluate the safety, tolerability and pharmacokinetics of PF-07321332. The phase I study progressed to multiple ascending doses after completing the dosing of single ascending doses in healthy adults.

PF-07321332 is a protease inhibitor designed to prevent viruses from replicating in cells. The candidate has shown anti-viral activity against SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, as well as activity against other coronaviruses in in-vitro studies conducted to date. This means it has the potential to be used for treating COVID-19.

Pfizer has designed the oral candidate in such a way that it can be given at the first sign of infection without the patient requiring hospitalization or critical. Most medicines that have received emergency approval for treating COVID-19 can usually be prescribed to treat hospitalized patients or those with severe infection or patients at high risk for progressing to severe COVID-19.

Meanwhile. Pfizer’s intravenous antiviral protease inhibitor, PF-07304814, is being evaluated in a phase Ib multi-dose study as a treatment option for hospitalized COVID-19 patients.
One wonders if the new antiviral pill will also be effective against worms & malaria.