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Democrats are extremely flexible on the rule of law and separation of powers, depending on who is president

By Jack Hellner

In Bill Clinton's 1995 State of the Union address, he said:
llegal aliens are creating big problems for us, and we're going to put a lot more border patrol people to support us, and we're not going to have people able to work by coming in illegally, and we're going to cut off their welfare benefits, and we're going to deport people in record numbers.

Clinton was cheered, not called a xenophobe and racist.


My guess is that Democrats agreed when President Obama said 22 times he couldn't rewrite immigration law on his own. Yet in June 2012, Obama issued the executive order on DACA, doing exactly what he said he wouldn't be allowed to do. Democrats and the media were very supportive of his violation of his oath, the Constitution, and separation of powers.
No one should believe anyone who says he believes in the rule of law and constitutional separation of powers if he supports sanctuary cities and what Obama did with DACA.


Every Democrat who supports DACA should be asked if he favors "family reunification," bringing the parents and other siblings into the USA. If he does, he obviously favors blanket amnesty and chain immigration and should admit it. If he actually favors keeping families together, he should support sending all family members back to where they legally reside. No one should ever be rewarded for willingly violating our laws, or the lawlessness will never end.

President Obama left a nice long welcoming letter to President Trump talking about the importance of democracy, American leadership in the world, the rule of law, and separation of powers. I thought it was a parody from The Onion because Obama showed throughout eight years that he believed none of that. He believed in leading from behind. He continually ignored the rule of law on immigration. On Obamacare, if Congress didn't appropriate money, he just stole it from some other source, and he gave special benefits to Congress and staff as if taxpayer money were his to do with as he wanted.

President Obama unilaterally changed the rules on Cuban refugees on his way out in January 2017. The U.S. no longer accepts them if they make it to our shores. Was it compassionate for Obama to send the women and children back to the tyrants when they were only trying to make a better life for their families? There were outrage and protests when Trump wanted to vet Syrian and other refugees more thoroughly, but there was hardly a squeak when Obama sent these Cuban refugees back. Why were Democrats, reporters, immigrant advocates, and CEOs who were so loud about Trump so silent on Obama and Cuba?
Selective compassion and outrage are not compassion at all, any more than selective enforcement of laws means equal justice for all. Selective separation of powers does not make you a believer in the Constitution.


President Trump decides to follow the rule of law and enforce the immigration laws Congress passed, and he is called a xenophobe and a racist and is accused of not caring about families. It is very compassionate to follow the rule of law and to adhere to separation of powers. Our country became the greatest, most powerful country in the world because of the rule of law and the three coequal branches of government. We have been very welcoming to legal immigrants.

For the last eight years we have had a president who has usurped power for himself whenever he wanted, and we have had the Justice Department, Congress, and reporters look the other way since they agreed with his agenda. There is absolutely nothing progressive or passionate about giving people who entered the country illegally preference as to enforcing laws over those who came here legally, those who were born here, and those who have waited patiently in line to come here legally. The founding fathers did not want a king.

I doubt that if President Trump felt that Congress wasn't cooperating with him on Obamacare repeal and tax reform and he changed them on his own, the media would be as supportive of him as they were of Obama when he abused his powers.
On a side note, my senator, Durbin, is very subjective about when he cares about the rule of law and abuse of presidential power depending on who is president. That means he doesn't really care. When Durbin first ran, he was staunchly pro-life, but in order to move up the Democrat ranks, he became staunchly pro-abortion, including partial-birth abortion. He is obviously very flexible, depending on whatever it takes to move up the ladder in the Democratic Party. He should not be accused of having a core set of beliefs.


https://www.americanthinker.com/blo..._of_powers_depending_on_who_is_president.html
 
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You are more willing than I to draw conclusions about ALL these thousands of people you don't know at all. You mistakenly believe yourself able or in some position to judge their motives, methods, how lazy they are, etc. I'll leave that to you.
OK, Mister EXPERT. Have you ever travelled south of the border ? If so, have you stopped for gasoline & coffee relief ? If so, did you enjoy the great hygiene of the facilities, the wonderful odor of shit that turns your stomach while you try to pee ???? The great odor of urine around the door from those that couldn't enter ??? If so, did you notice how litter filled the streets are ?
Also, I know many respectable, well to do Latin people, that share my viewpoint. There are many that are industrious AND they are the ONES that STAY in their country, trying to make it better ! We are getting, for the most part, the criminals, rejects & losers.
You will only get the message when they move into your neighborhood.
I guess you condon this enormous, unsustainable burden on our country from LAZY, DRUG INFESTED, ILLEGAL INVADERS.

UNDERSTAND, I am, in no way, against legal immigration.

The Cost of Illegal Immigration to the United States
At the federal, state, and local levels, taxpayers shell out approximately $134.9 billion to cover the costs incurred by the presence of more than 12.5 million illegal aliens, and about 4.2 million citizen children of illegal aliens. That amounts to a tax burden of approximately $8,075 per illegal alien family member and a total of $115,894,597,664. The total cost of illegal immigration to U.S. taxpayers is both staggering and crippling. In 2013, FAIR estimated the total cost to be approximately $113 billion. So, in under four years, the cost has risen nearly $3 billion. This is a disturbing and unsustainable trend. The sections below will break down and further explain these numbers at the federal, state, and local levels.

Source:
https://www.fairus.org/issue/public...n-illegal-immigration-united-states-taxpayers

I could go on, but you wouldn't understand.
 

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Respect the current rule of law of the land.
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Just like the ones who are INSIDE the system already are doing.

What I cannot do to someone else and to their fellow people and to their country,
I do not want anyone doing to me, my fellow people and to my country.
 
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Some of the caravan have been deported (from Mexico) and some may be splitting the scene.

Migrants in Tijuana Regret the Caravan: ‘I’m Done With the United States’
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/migrants-in-tijuana-regret-the-caravan-‘i’m-done-with-the-united-states’/ar-BBQc0EP?ocid=ientp
Thanks search, that is good news.
From the link:
But the U.S. border has proved impossible so far for the more than 7,000 migrants anxiously arriving in Tijuana, where they’re waiting in the squalor of a small baseball stadium-turned-tent city.

and

Asylum claims are increasingly hard to make as fewer than 100 migrants a day are allowed to approach the border crossing and receive a “credible fear” interview, the first step in the process.
 

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Has this been shared yet? If not, here it is. If so, then call it spam

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"Speak softly and carry a big stick."

With any luck, the Hondurans will fade away, Mexico will have a huge shit cleanup detail, and the US will quietly go on about their business .
 

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"Speak softly and carry a big stick."

The Hondurans will fade away, Mexico will have a huge shit cleanup detail, and the US will quietly go on about their business .
YUP !
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Sorry Liberalaurum - sometimes I forget just how intellectually superior you are to the rest of us here, not to mention the level of arrogance you possess. Perhaps you don't understand it, but there's a YUUUUUGE difference between LEGAL and ILLEGAL .... YUUUUUGE difference
Jose-nazi, you obviously haven't been paying attention.
I already explained that I do not disagree that there is a difference between legal and illegal. I also understand not all laws have always been rational, moral or legitimate. Do you?

...
Maybe if you listened to what was deemed common sense when spoken by Democrats (you're not a Libertarian by any stretch of the imagination)
And I suppose you imagine yourself to be a libertarian, huh?
Hardly. You support nationalist socialism. I am supporting individual rights over collective privilege. That is a libertarian position. Take note.

... maybe you'd be more accepting of what the majority of Americans already know. Maybe you could set aside your ignorant #neverTrump narrative, and your virtue signaling nonsense at least for a few minutes.
So do you agree with Feinstein now? Pragmatism makes for strange bedfellows, I suppose.

EDIT: Liberalaurem.
Yes, Jose-nazi?

We have somewhere between 16M-22M (?) illegals in this country today. Somewhere between 20M -40M lawfiul citizens living at or below poverty level. More importantly, there are over 40,000 homeless veterans on our streets today. FORTY FUCKING THOUSAND. And if our govt is admitting to 40,000 you can bet your ass the number is much bigger .

When our spineless bitch politicians make our veterans their first priority - when they fix the VA and get these young men and women who have sacrificed so much for the Empire the help they need and deserve - When they do that, we can talk about ILLEGAL immigrants. Until then, fuck them. every last one of them.
See? You just don't get it. I don't support the idea that anyone, including immigrants, should get any freebies at all. I don't support coercively funded warfare, either. So go get all emotional about it if that's what you like to do. The fact that the State has created a group of dependants does not give it the right to violate other people's rights.


Hmmm, not so sure that's correct.

What I've learned about marriage is that it's a whole lot different than dating.

One's 'true nature' comes out in a marriage and that would include culture as well.

You marry a gal from a foreign country and the next thing you know all the relatives come along with that package.

Your 'life' is 'there life'. You 'marry' the two cultures - just like a good spaghetti sauce tastes better the next day because the flavors 'marry'?
Granted, marrying someone from a different country includes getting to know new people, customs, food, traditions, etc. You will learn a lot about that person's culture.

But you won't learn much about people you never meet. And you won't gain enough credibility to pretend to judge millions of people as "lazy" without sounding ignorant, either. I object just as vehemently when I hear people refer to "Americans" (US citizens) as lazy, degenerates, immoral, Godless or selfish, particularly when it comes to people who have never lived in the US. Even if they did marry an American who might or might not have been any of those things.


OK, Mister EXPERT. Have you ever travelled south of the border ?
I've forgotten more about Latin culture than you will ever know.

If so, have you stopped for gasoline & coffee relief ? If so, did you enjoy the great hygiene of the facilities, the wonderful odor of shit that turns your stomach while you try to pee ???? The great odor of urine around the door from those that couldn't enter ??? If so, did you notice how litter filled the streets are ?
That makes it sound as if you'd never been south of Baja. Yes, I've been to many places like you describe, and many more that were nothing like that. You need to travel more.

Also, I know many respectable, well to do Latin people, that share my viewpoint. There are many that are industrious AND they are the ONES that STAY in their country, trying to make it better ! We are getting, for the most part, the criminals, rejects & losers.
Of course they share your viewpoint. Nobody likes dirty bathrooms. But bathrooms don't stink more when criminals use them. They stink when they're not regularly cleaned and maintained. You'll most often see what you describe in "public" bathrooms. And I've seen some nasty things in US public bathrooms, too, but USD hegemony gives the US a definite advantage, and it shows.

You will only get the message when they move into your neighborhood.
I guess you condon this enormous, unsustainable burden on our country from LAZY, DRUG INFESTED, ILLEGAL INVADERS.

UNDERSTAND, I am, in no way, against legal immigration.

I could go on, but you wouldn't understand.
Oh, I understand, you're all for "legal" immigration. Just like some people are all for "legal" guns, "legal" substances, "legal" rainwater collecting and even "legal" speech. Whoop-tee-freakin-doo.

And you refuse to understand that I don't condone any financial burden imposed by socialist welfare states. I just refuse to pretend I don't recognize the actual problem (the welfare State) to embrace some popular scapegoat.

I could go on, but maybe you've already understood.
 
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Oh, I understand, you're all for "legal" immigration. Just like some people are all for "legal" guns, "legal" substances, "legal" rainwater collecting and even "legal" speech. Whoop-tee-freakin-doo.
Legal guns, Ref: Art. II
Legal speech, Ref: Art. I
Protection from invasion (illegal immigration), Ref: Art. III, Sect. 4

Legal rainwater, legal substances, Ref: Not the job of gov.
Shame on you for not knowing that !
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Legal guns, Ref: Art. II
Legal speech, Ref: Art. I
Protection from invasion (illegal immigration), Ref: Art. III, Sect. 4

Legal rainwater, legal substances, Ref: Not the job of gov.
Shame on you for not knowing that !
So you didn't know there are federal laws banning certain substances?
Again, you just refuse to get it.
The government's only legitimate "job" is to protect people's individual rights. That's it.
None of the above should be determined by government.

"A wise and frugal government which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government."
 

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So you didn't know there are federal laws banning certain substances?
Again, you just refuse to get it.
The government's only legitimate "job" is to protect people's individual rights. That's it.
None of the above should be determined by government.

"A wise and frugal government which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government."
And one of the most important rights a government protects is not allowing some illegal freeloading criminal to come into our home uninvited. That why there are ARMY'S, NAVY'S, AIR FORCES AND MARINES
 

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And one of the most important rights a government protects is not allowing some illegal freeloading criminal to come into our home uninvited. That why there are ARMY'S, NAVY'S, AIR FORCES AND MARINES
The State creates the ability of immigrant and non-immigrant alike to "freeload".
If anyone comes into your home uninvited, citizen or not, you have a right to use force to repel them. There is no collective home. Some actually do want those people as employees and customers in their own businesses and homes.
 

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There is no collective home. Some actually do want those people as employees and customers in their own businesses and homes.
So how many do you want sent to live around your "no collective" home ?
Post your address. I'm sure some PROG group will see it and want to take you up on your position.
 

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We have for all intents and purposes lost private property due to illegal immigration of 3rd worlders - at what point do you acknowledge paying 12k a head for them to go to school is your loss of private property? Property taxes to pay for more invaders - jails, schools, infrastructure (roads, water, sewer), etc. They don't pay their way, the valuable real property owners' taxes pay for it. An old beat up single wide with 5 children in school doesn't pay the cost of anything.

Where is the cutoff that we agree we don't own anything - property taxes equal to a mortgage payment? Yearly property taxes more than the property is worth? What's the signal that we got squeezed by the nonpaying invaders?
 

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Provide for the common defense

That means being able to kick ass, anywhere, at a minutes notice

Promote the general welfare

That means telling the lazy to get off their ass

I don't care "who" wants them here. Lots of communists want them here. The Chinese want them here.

Them again, there isn't much point in further flooding a communists country with eaters

Surplus of those these days
 

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The State creates the ability of immigrant and non-immigrant alike to "freeload".
This is the key point that many people are missing. Immigrants cannot obtain taxpayer funded foodstamps, housing, and medical care unless it is given to them. How is it easier to spend billions of dollars on a wall instead of simply cutting the welfare available to the immigrants?

People are complaining that immigrants are being arrested and put into expensive tents. Guess what? The immigrants aren't putting themselves in those tents. The government is forcing them into the tents, and the government is forcing you to pay for the tents and the food and the water, and the guards.

As Libertaurum keeps trying to point out, this is not just a question about immigration, this whole issue is about what the legitimate role of government is.

If you are really so terrified of these people coming to live and work in the US, then you should spend your energy convincing your fellow citizens not to hire these people. A wall is doomed to fail because it doesn't address the root cause. If the government cannot keep drugs from crossing the border because of demand, then what makes anyone think that it'll stop immigrants who have jobs waiting for them?

People would be much better served to demand cuts to wealth redistribution than buying into this immigrant demonization meme, because among other things, the welfare state is going to be a problem regardless of whether or not you have many immigrants. You could start tackling the welfare state by first denying immigrants access, and then progress to younger citizens. Perhaps within a few generations it could be mostly eliminated.

If immigrants can survive in the US, without being on welfare and without otherwise harming anyone, then those people aren't much of a threat, are they?
 
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People cutting their own lawns raking their own leaves and cleaning their own house would work better than a wall. Plus going after George Soros’s IT guy would help also. JMHO
 

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So you didn't know there are federal laws banning certain substances? Again, you just refuse to get it. The government's only legitimate "job" is to protect people's American’s individual rights. That's it. None of the above should be determined by government.

"A wise and frugal government which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government."
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If immigrants can survive in the US, without being on welfare and without otherwise harming anyone, then those people aren't much of a threat, are they?
So why not enter legally, like my father's parents and my wife's parents, and my son in law's parents?

Are you here legally?

Where do we draw the line on illegal activities?

Is not the winking approval of illegal entry, the nod for more illegal activities?
 

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This is the key point that many people are missing. Immigrants cannot obtain taxpayer funded foodstamps, housing, and medical care unless it is given to them. How is it easier to spend billions of dollars on a wall instead of simply cutting the welfare available to the immigrants?
The major cost of illegals is free public school (and jails, police, courts, infrastructure) paid for in most jurisdictions by Property Taxes. The Federal Court forced this on us in the 80's, and that is when the invasion started. This was the beginning of transforming the US from a 1st world European origin population with private property ownership to a 3rd world population with no private property ownership. That was the whole purpose - a replacement population and de facto private property elimination.

Anyone arguing for free immigration is a communist.
 

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So why not enter legally, like my father's parents and my wife's parents, and my son in law's parents?

Are you here legally?

Where do we draw the line on illegal activities?

Is not the winking approval of illegal entry, the nod for more illegal activities?
If the gov. wouldn't give them free food, medical, education, housing & money, they wouldn't come !!!
 

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The major cost of illegals is free public school (and jails, police, courts, infrastructure) paid for in most jurisdictions by Property Taxes. The Federal Court forced this on us in the 80's, and that is when the invasion started. This was the beginning of transforming the US from a 1st world European origin population with private property ownership to a 3rd world population with no private property ownership. That was the whole purpose - a replacement population and de facto private property elimination.

Anyone arguing for free immigration is a communist.
So why not enter legally, like my father's parents and my wife's parents, and my son in law's parents?
Are you here legally?
Where do we draw the line on illegal activities?
Is not the winking approval of illegal entry, the nod for more illegal activities?

Literally every European country where citizens were forced to accept mass immigration is now a shithole and getting worse.
France, Sweden, Germany, Italy, et al

The idea is simple. Dump hundreds of thousands of people who share absolutely nothing in common with you, into your country. Drain the banks and tax the shit out of working class folks to provide food, shelter, health care, legal assistance for them when they rape and pillage, and allow them to shit on and destroy any culture you used to have. You have to stop doing anything and everything that always defined your culture, so as not to offend your new neighbors, who, by the way, get to keep all their culture, because no one gives a fuck about you any more. TPTB are determined to destroy our history, our culture, our Christian belief system, our nation as a whole.

Immigration used to be what made this country great - this is no longer the case. We still have immigration laws in this country, and we finally have a man in the WH - ready, willing, and able to uphold them.

Tucker Carlson Hits Back on Diversity Monologue Backlash: "Not About Race," "They're Trying To Silence Us"

"People should never be punished nor rewarded on the basis of their skin color. Unlike the left, we don't believe that your DNA is the most important thing about you. Each of us is an individual, not a faceless member of a herd. We abhor defining people by race. That's one of the main reasons we're not liberals," -- Tucker Carlson

 
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The major cost of illegals is free public school (and jails, police, courts, infrastructure) paid for in most jurisdictions by Property Taxes. The Federal Court forced this on us in the 80's, and that is when the invasion started. This was the beginning of transforming the US from a 1st world European origin population with private property ownership to a 3rd world population with no private property ownership. That was the whole purpose - a replacement population and de facto private property elimination.
Anyone arguing for free immigration is a communist.
Just adding to the posted very good list:
Uninsured incident costs. Automotive, personal liability, etc.
Those costs, pro rated coverages for risk based on past damages done by illegals, are now buried in mine and your insurances.
 

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Just adding to the posted very good list:
Uninsured incident costs. Automotive, personal liability, etc.
Those costs, pro rated coverages for risk based on past damages done by illegals, are now buried in mine and your insurances.
ADD:
Health Care. ( We ALL pay in one way or another )
 

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This is the key point that many people are missing. Immigrants cannot obtain taxpayer funded foodstamps, housing, and medical care unless it is given to them. How is it easier to spend billions of dollars on a wall instead of simply cutting the welfare available to the immigrants?
You also missed the key point. That is, the politicians are VOTE WHORES and will buy their votes ANY WAY THEY CAN !!!
The solution is to build a wall & remove the vote buying.
The financial part of London is walled.
China has their wall.
The Vatican has a wall all around it.
"Heaven's Gate" certainly implies a wall.
There are many more examples, but I will stop here.
 

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So you didn't know there are federal laws banning certain substances?
Again, you just refuse to get it.
The government's only legitimate "job" is to protect people's individual rights. That's it.
None of the above should be determined by government.

"A wise and frugal government which shall restrain men from injuring one another, which shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government."
Very much, the opposite. Again you are not listening or twisting my words.

Legal guns, Ref: Art. II
Legal speech, Ref: Art. I
Protection from invasion (illegal immigration), Ref: Art. III, Sect. 4

Legal rainwater, legal substances, Ref: Not the job of gov.
Shame on you for not knowing that !
Now your own words:
"...shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned."
This is EXACTLY what is happening, the illegals "mouths" are being given the "bread" that has been earned from our labor !
IT IS UNDENIABLE !
Let's see ya twist that one !
 

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The major cost of illegals is free public school (and jails, police, courts, infrastructure) paid for in most jurisdictions by Property Taxes. The Federal Court forced this on us in the 80's, and that is when the invasion started. This was the beginning of transforming the US from a 1st world European origin population with private property ownership to a 3rd world population with no private property ownership. That was the whole purpose - a replacement population and de facto private property elimination.

Anyone arguing for free immigration is a communist.
AND that happen with repukes in charge, the Reagan Admin. I have often said: "as good as Reagan was, he did some really bad things"
He also emptied out the mental institutions ! The homeless base.
Time will tell how the Trump Admin. will go down in history.
I guess I will post this again.

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WAY FAR DOWN THE LINE OUT OF SIGHT !
 

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Very much, the opposite. Again you are not listening or twisting my words.



Now your own words:
"...shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned."
This is EXACTLY what is happening, the illegals "mouths" are being given the "bread" that has been earned from our labor !
IT IS UNDENIABLE !
Let's see ya twist that one !
He will ...
 

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Where is the cutoff that we agree we don't own anything - property taxes equal to a mortgage payment? Yearly property taxes more than the property is worth? What's the signal that we got squeezed by the nonpaying invaders?
Property tax is the most immoral tax that there is !
We elderly, on a fixed income, cannot sustain much higher property taxes.
When we can no-longer pay, our home is TAKEN & sold for back taxes !!!!
From 2005, to today, my property tax has increased 3.16 X in 17 years (316%).
The average social security income has increased from 2005 at $938 to 2018 at $1165 (25%)
Gas in 2005 was $2.30 & 2018 it increased to $3.20 (40%)
Raw ground beef increased 415% in this time frame.

In 10 more years, with the increase of cost-of-living, increase in property tax, a retired person will not be able to pay their property tax.
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