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I agree with this.

I have to ask though, what is the path back to sanity?

There is little hope of dismantling the welfare state in one step (or maybe at all) but everyone in this thread agrees it should be done. The one’s ticked off at you think how can you not want to shut off the faucet of more welfare bound (or welfare state voting) immigrants.

It’s hard to sell the purist position when we’re being bled dry.

You’re coming off like the guy in the cross walk arguing that it’s your turn and you have a right to be there; while the truck heads right for you at 60 mph.
Ensoniq, first of all, thank you for respectfully posing a real question, instead of hurling some derogatory insult that has nothing to do with the matter at hand. I also think that you have highlighted the proper concern, namely, "welfare voting" immigrants. Now, let's dissect this a little further.

To the extent that non-US citizens are voting, it's voter fraud. I support measures to prevent non-citizens, dead people, and fictitious persons from voting. Additionally, I do not support automatic citizenship. Congress sets the standards for becoming a voter as per the US Constitution.

Contrary to what many people assume, a substantial number of illegal immigrants are in fact coming to work, a lot in construction and agriculture. As I have mentioned in other posts, the demand for the labor these people are offering is real. So, on the one hand you've got border patrol and INS agents trying to keep them out, and on the other hand you've got Americans offering them decent pay do to jobs that need to be done. This is a contradiction that few people have come to terms with.

You asked what the path back to sanity is. As usual, I think Rand Paul is on the right track...

 

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Ensoniq, first of all, thank you for respectfully posing a real question, instead of hurling some derogatory insult that has nothing to do with the matter at hand. I also think that you have highlighted the proper concern, namely, "welfare voting" immigrants. Now, let's dissect this a little further.

To the extent that non-US citizens are voting, it's voter fraud. I support measures to prevent non-citizens, dead people, and fictitious persons from voting. Additionally, I do not support automatic citizenship. Congress sets the standards for becoming a voter as per the US Constitution.

Contrary to what many people assume, a substantial number of illegal immigrants are in fact coming to work, a lot in construction and agriculture. As I have mentioned in other posts, the demand for the labor these people are offering is real. So, on the one hand you've got border patrol and INS agents trying to keep them out, and on the other hand you've got Americans offering them decent pay do to jobs that need to be done. This is a contradiction that few people have come to terms with.

You asked what the path back to sanity is. As usual, I think Rand Paul is on the right track...

Investigate Welfare fraud and you'll have all the workers you need.
 

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Just because I mis-spoke and wrote COTUS and not DOI as it should have read doesn't change the FACT that MEN at that time were ONLY Anglo-Saxon adult males. Go read your history books. You might want to start with the Three-Fifths Compromise.
Regardless of whether your error was the product of ignorance or confusion, my point stands. I'll take their words over your biased and wishful interpretations everyday of the week and twice on Sunday.
 

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Investigate Welfare fraud and you'll have all the workers you need.
Well, you’ll have warm bodies, but not necessarily workers.
 

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Well, you’ll have warm bodies, but not necessarily workers.
I remember when Blacks picked the oranges and tomatoes(Florida). Then came welfare and they all started collecting a check. Warm bodies work when they get hungry.
 

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Well, you’ll have warm bodies, but not necessarily workers.
I remember when Blacks picked the oranges and tomatoes(Florida). Then came welfare and they all started collecting a check. Warm bodies work when they get hungry.
I grew up in Orange County, Calif. (before the commies came). We kids, age 12 to 15 would pick corn, oranges, lima beans, etc. for min. wage.
Then the next set of "kids" were either too lazy or too good to work in the fields & then, enter the Mexicans workers via visa. They quickly learned that they could overstay their visa, without penalty, then came the illegals. Then came the explosion of the welfare system. THEN CAME "DIAL 1 FOR ENGLISH !!!!!!!!". Now look at the fucking mess we have !!!!

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I grew up in Orange County, Calif. (before the commies came). We kids, age 12 to 15 would pick corn, oranges, lima beans, etc. for min. wage.
Then the next set of "kids" were either too lazy or too good to work in the fields & then, enter the Mexicans workers via visa. They quickly learned that they could overstay their visa, without penalty, then came the illegals. Then came the explosion of the welfare system. Now look at the fucking mess we have !!!!
Yah if not for illegals they would have to pay a decent living wage,these fukin illegals are a blight on this country
 

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I grew up in Orange County, Calif. (before the commies came). We kids, age 12 to 15 would pick corn, oranges, lima beans, etc. for min. wage.
Then the next set of "kids" were either too lazy or too good to work in the fields & then, enter the Mexicans workers via visa. They quickly learned that they could overstay their visa, without penalty, then came the illegals. Then came the explosion of the welfare system. Now look at the fucking mess we have !!!!
Southern Mississippi here.
Same as this post.
 

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Southern Mississippi here.
Same as this post.
Too coincidental, not to be a plan.
Back then, news travelled very slowly or even not at all.
Today, the computer/internet brings with it a lot of crap, lies & fake media BUT it also has allowed us a much faster mode of communications.
Had we been able to know more & know it faster, back then, could we have prevented or prolonged it ?
 

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Too coincidental, not to be a plan.
Back then, news travelled very slowly or even not at all.
Today, the computer/internet brings with it a lot of crap, lies & fake media BUT it also has allowed us a much faster mode of communications.
Had we been able to know more & know it faster, back then, could we have prevented or prolonged it ?
It was well know the effects of welfare. It was planned. Same slaves, different plantation. "I'll have those niggers voting democrat for the next 100 years" Lyndon B Johnson.
 

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Taezzar , what part of Orange County?...
I lived in the San Fernando Valley circa 1958-1969....Reseda , Canoga Park , Van Nuys , Saugus, Ojai.....
 

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Taezzar , what part of Orange County?...
I lived in the San Fernando Valley circa 1958-1969....Reseda , Canoga Park , Van Nuys , Saugus, Ojai.....
Basically Costa Mesa, Huntington, Newport. Got out on 11 Sept 2001 REALLY.
 

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Damn , you were there a long time.

Ever surf the pier at Huntington Beach?...

Me either.

POP?..Pacific Ocean Park....
Did better than that. My son was about 12 YO & we went down to the Huntington Pier. It was during a big storm. We walked out to the end & the ocean suddenly got really bad. We road a stationary, rolling pier, all the way back to the gates. They locked the pier after we got through the gates. Man what a ride !!! IDK if I would have the balls to do it on purpose.
Didn't surf, I water skied. WELL.............................

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"I'll have those niggers voting democrat for the next 100 years" Lyndon B Johnson.
While your point is perfectly valid, please use this accurate quote from LBJ:

"This will give us the nigger vote for forty years."
 

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Did better than that. My son was about 12 YO & we went down to the Huntington Pier. It was during a big storm. We walked out to the end & the ocean suddenly got really bad. We road a stationary, rolling pier, all the way back to the gates. They locked the pier after we got through the gates. Man what a ride !!! IDK if I would have the balls to do it on purpose.
Didn't surf, I water skied. WELL.............................

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THAT IS NOT SKIING!!! THAT IS TROLLING FOR GREAT WHITES. :winks2:
 

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Hey, how can We get some of this honest reporting on our side of the border?

I have a suggestion:
Let all the mexican journalists in, only the ones who can speak english though, and quick enough, we're going to understand what's really going on in our own country
 

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I think there is some anti-trump video out there that this guy "MAGA"ized. I am still chuckling, this is the best one yet.

And now I have a MAGA Kid Rock earworm going in my head. lol....
 

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I wouldn't doubt that LBJ said both at some point.
 

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WATCH: Migrants Land Boat on California Beach 100 Miles from Border

Residents of a California beach community witnessed a surprising incident as a small boat packed with illegal aliens made landfall. The migrants made their way to the beach resort located about 100 miles from the Mexican border in a small panga boat.

Officials with the Laguna Beach Police Department tweeted a video showing the boat making landfall early Thursday morning and 13 illegal aliens running on shore. Police say that U.S. Border Patrol agents responded quickly and took custody of seven of the migrants and two suspected human smugglers who were allegedly waiting to pick up the migrants, the Orange County Register reported.

Laguna Beach Emergency Operations Coordinator Jordan Villwock told the local newspaper, “They (local residents) saw two men running for the cliffs. Officers were on scene in five minutes and immediately detained the two men who had ditched their life vests on the sand.”

A short time later, police found five more men hiding in the bushes and placed them in custody.

U.S. Border Patrol Agent Vincent Pirro told the local newspaper that of the two smugglers, one was a U.S. citizen and the other, an illegal alien on a “non-immigrant visa overstay.”

Officials said the panga boat is designed to carry up to 15 passengers. The video above shows 13 men running away from the boat and Border Patrol agents found 13 life vests, the Register reported. The agents seized the boat and nine gas cans.

Pirro said these types of long journeys are not that uncommon for human smuggling operations. “We see them leave from Ensenada a lot. They go around the Coronado Islands and north. They’ve gone as far as Half Moon Bay,” the agent explained.

The Register reported there have been 433 illegal aliens arrested 433 migrants illegally entering the U.S. via panga boats in the San Diego Sector since November 1, 2017. Pirro explained that the illegal aliens pay the smugglers between $13,000 and $17,000 for the boat ride to the U.S. Pirro said that makes it unlikely that the passengers were connected to the migrant caravan.

At least four of the men arrested were Mexican nationals and three others were Chinese, Pirro told the newspaper. The seven migrants face federal charges for immigration violations. The two men found waiting to pick up the migrants will be charged with human smuggling.

https://www.breitbart.com/border/2018/12/02/watch-migrants-land-boat-on-california-beach-100-miles-from-border/
 

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Stupid !!
I lived down near there, for 50 years. The smart ones travel & unload by night.
 

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They're in...…………...

Honduran migrant mother and three daughters seen in iconic photo fleeing tear gas at US border now legally ALLOWED into country

  • A mother photographed weeks ago running with her daughters from tear gas began seeking asylum at the US border with Mexico
  • Other migrants, including mostly teens but also Maria Meza and her kids, began seeking asylum Monday
  • The family appeared in a widely circulated photograph as they fled tear gas thrown by US authorities during a protest at the border
  • Sometimes US border authorities allow individuals considered vulnerable, such as unaccompanied minors, to be processed more rapidly
  • Activists said the group on Monday fit that category
  • Democratic US Representatives Jimmy Gomez and Nanette Barragan, along with lawyers, accompanied the group at the Otay Mesa port of entry in Tijuana
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...ly-fled-tear-gas-U-S-border-seeks-asylum.html
 

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Allan Wall: If Schumer And Pelosi Don’t Think Walls Work For Border Security, They Can Talk To Me. I Saw Them Work In Iraq.
BY ALLAN WALL ON 2018-12-18 21:26:00 -0500


At the now famous tête-à-tête with incoming House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, President Trump vowed a partial government shutdown unless Congress gave him $5 billion for a border wall. The leftist pair told him to forget it. He said he would use the military to build the wall, and all week we heard that a shutdown was coming December 21. Immigration patriots were ecstatic. But they were also concerned that Trump would fold. Today, The Washington Post reported that Trump has done just that. Congress will pass a continuing resolution, sans the border wall money. [Trump Backs Off Demand For $5 billion For Border Wall, But Budget Impasse Remains Ahead Of Shutdown Deadline, by Erica Werner, Damian Paletta and Seung Min Kim, December 18, 2018]

Whether Trump will sign we don’t know. But more about that political contretemps later.

I want to address the skeptics who say a wall won’t work. The Pelosi-Schumer Democrats and the experts they cite—as Schumer did in the meeting—are lying. Or just plain wrong. Walls work. I saw how effectively they work when I deployed with the Texas Army National Guard to Iraq in 2005. Walls and fences were everywhere. They were the prime means for protecting bases and even towns.

The U.S. occupation was at its height. What the Coalition had accomplished infrastructure-wise was truly amazing. The U.S. had 100 military bases throughout Iraq, all of which had to be secured and guarded. Barriers, checkpoints, guard towers and patrols protected every single one. Security was the No. 1 priority at every base.

The biggest share of our casualties were victims of bombs set on or near Iraqi highways, the dreaded improvised explosive devices known as IEDs, but the bases had to be supplied. American soldiers in Humvees escorted vast fleets of trucks, usually driven by Pakistanis or Indians. It was somewhat like the U.S. Cavalry forts in the Old West. Land “outside the wire” was known as “Indian Country.”

You had to be careful on base: infiltration was a danger. But for the most part, the bases were safe. Security systems kept them that way.

I worked at several jobs, including perimeter security for a small U.S. base. A fence with checkpoints to enter and exit surrounded the base. The important lesson is that a wall or fence is great but not sufficient. Armed personnel with the means to defend themselves must be posted to deal with infiltrators and other threats.

Patrolling was part of security, too. Ubiquitous Humvees showed the locals that we were there and in charge. We searched vehicles and erected checkpoints randomly.

Later, I was ordered to join a construction crew to build a new outer fence to guard the base all around. We were an infantry unit, not an engineering unit. But when you get in-country, your Military Occupation Specialty [MOS] doesn’t matter. You do what needs to be done. So other sergeants joined me on the construction project. An Army engineer showed us how and what to do with the material in one day.

After that, we supervised a crew of Iraqis building the fence. With my rudimentary Arabic, I became the de facto translator. I got along well with the Iraqis and had some good discussions. Once they even invited me to attend a Shiite festival in the city of Najaf. I couldn’t go, but I appreciated the sincere gesture. (That was 13 years ago, I wonder how those guys are doing now.) Regular Army soldiers also helped.

We did a pretty good job. The fence was composed of steel posts, three strands of concertina wire, and another strand of barbed wire. That fence looked good...and effective.

For the U.S. border, we need a taller fence with harder materials. But it would be better than nothing and could work temporarily. It would work if watched and patrolled.

Other materials we could use include products from HESCO, a British company and “the original developers of earth-filled barrier technology,” large collapsible containers that are filled with sand, soil, rock or gravel. We used them on my base in Iraq. Click here for photos. HESCO not only makes defensive barriers but also amazingly simple border security barriers.

And the HESCO RAID Rapid Barrier Deployment System can be set up in a jiffy: “Over 1000 feet in under 60 seconds.”

Watch it happen below:

It must be filled, but if earth-moving machinery is close and ready to go, that shouldn’t take that long. A HESCO barrier could be set up rapidly on the border, until something more permanent is erected.

If that doesn’t suit Nancy and Chuck, we can always use the same, old-fashioned technology the ancient Romansemployed: concrete.

Maj. John Spencer, Iraq veteran and scholar with the Modern War Institute at the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, has described how American forces in Iraq used concrete.

The demand for concrete was immense. New contracts had to be developed and concrete factories had to be found, built, and expanded in multiple places across Iraq. Getting concrete became as important a mission as emplacing it. ...
One brigade emplaced over 30 miles of twelve-foot-tall concrete T-wall barriers to create what they dubbed “safe communities.”
[The Most Effective Weapon On The Modern Battlefield Is Concrete, Modern War Institute, November 14, 2018.]​
During the Battle of Sadr City in 2008, Spencer reported, U.S. forces, working under fire at night, laid down 12-foot high concrete barriers, eventually walling in Sadr City, a 13-square mile sector Baghdad, and the home of the Jaish al-Mahdi militia.



Question for Nancy and Chuck and their “experts:” Why can’t the U.S. military erect similar concrete barriers on the border? If we secured every single one of our 100 bases in Iraq, why can’t we secure our own border?

Let’s move to Israel. In February 2017, during an interview with CNN, Wisconsin’s GOP Sen. Ron Johnson offered effusive praise for Israel’s border barriers.

Israel ... had a real problem with illegal immigrants coming in from the southern border, about 16,000 in one year. In two years, they constructed 143-mile fence, about $2.9 million per mile, and it cut that illegal immigration rate from about 16,000 to I think 18. Cut it by 99 percent.​
Trump has said likewise, and that sent the bloodhounds at Politifact sniffing for a fib. But Politifact admitted that Israel’s border fences with Egypt slashed illegal immigration on that border by 99 percent:

[E]xperts say the fence alone is not responsible for the dramatic decrease in illegal immigration, policies have also deterred illegal border crossings.​
Well, yes, of course that’s true. A fence or wall alone is not enough, but must be used in conjunction with other policies by a government determined to control its border. Here is a photo of Israel’s border fence with Egypt in contrast to the old border fence with Egypt. [Border Fence in Israel Cut Illegal Immigration By 99 percent, GOP Senator Says, by Miriam Valverde, February 13, 2017].

As for Trump’s promise to use the military, its plethora of engineering units could easily construct barriers. The Army has the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which has, again, helped Customs and Border Patrol with construction in the recent past. The Air Force has the Air Force Civil Engineer Center and the RED HORSE squadrons (acronym for Rapid Engineer Deployable Heavy Operational Repair Squadron Engineer). The Navy has the Civil Engineering Corps and the naval construction force known as the Seabees (from construction battalions), whose motto is “Can Do.” John Wayne made a movie about them! The Marines and the Coast Guard have engineers as well.

Which brings us back to The Donald’s contentious meeting with Pelosi and Schumer, where the two Leftists declared that wall funding was out of the question. Aside from claiming that recent improvements to existing U.S. border barriers had dramatically reduced illegal crossings, Trump said he’d use the military to build the wall.

Though the Army Corps of Engineers, for instance, has been heavily involved in border protection, including building double-layer fencing, handing it the “reins entirely on the funding, construction, and monitoring of the border wall,” The Atlantic reported, would elevate its mission to a point where congressional authorization would be necessary [Could Trump Actually Use Military Funding for His Border Wall? by Priscilla Alvarez, April 2, 2018]. As well, “military officials, Democrats, and Republican defense hawks would likely oppose taking resources away from existing DOD projects and shifting them to the wall.”

And if Trump went that route, you can bet the radical Left would be in court with lawsuits to stop it, just as they went to court and persuaded a Leftist judge to block Trump’s orderrefusing asylum to illegal aliens.

So, then, what about the shutdown and Trump’s promise? As expected, one of the border-wall surrender monkeys is Sen. Mitch McConnell, the weak-chinned GOP majority leader. “The American people don’t like it,” he said.(See the Washington Post story quored earlier.) “There’s no education in the second kick of a mule. We’ve been down this path before, and I don’t believe we’ll go down this path again.”

Unless Trump vetoes the spending bill, the Pelosi-Schumer Axis of Evil wins again. If Trump signs, and he were serious, he’d do what he promised in the three-way confab: use the military. But again, that’s a prime target for leftist legal attack.

The Pelosi-Schumer Democrats do not oppose a wall because it won’t work. They oppose it because it will work. It will cut off the stream of future Democratic voters who have already done so much to dispossess the Historic American Nation.

Trump must ignore McConnell and those advocating surrender. He must not sign any bill that does not include wall funding.

Immigration helped elect him in 2016. And it might just help defeat him in 2020 if he cries uncle now.
 

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Question for Nancy and Chuck and their “experts:” Why can’t the U.S. military erect similar concrete barriers on the border? If we secured every single one of our 100 bases in Iraq, why can’t we secure our own border?
The communists WANT open borders to gut the American economy, and turn our neighborhoods into war zones.. All you have to do is look at EU to see what their agenda truly is. It's a multi-pronged attack. The public school system is in league with them.
Our male children will be wearing dresses, and require 'safe places'. The goal is to normalize pedophilia. The goal is to push this till us old folks die out, and there's no one left who pees while standing and understands and believes in the Constitution.
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The goal is to normalize pedophilia. The goal is to push this till us old folks die out, and there's no one left who pees while standing and understands and believes in the Constitution.
That is how I see it and I don't like it ! :totally steamed:
 

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Another good article from "Mr. Constitution"

I asked a pastor to define “community.” He spoke of people sharing and having a common understanding of the world.

That would mean that those who join the community would have to, by and large, agree to those understandings. In other words, immigrants, to become part of the community, must assimilate.

The following is an email that started making the rounds in 2005. The ascribed author, former Colorado Governor Dick Lamm, says he said it.

He said:

If you believe that America is too smug, too self-satisfied, too rich, then let's destroy America . It is not that hard to do. No nation in history has survived the ravages of time. Arnold Toynbee observed that all great civilizations rise and fall and that 'An autopsy of history would show that all great nations commit suicide.'

"Here is how they do it," Lamm said:

"First, to destroy America , turn America into a bilingual or multi-lingual and bi-cultural country. History shows that no nation can survive the tension, conflict, and antagonism of two or more competing languages and cultures. It is a blessing for an individual to be bilingual; however, it is a curse for a society to be bilingual. The historical scholar, Seymour Lipset, put it this way: 'The histories of bilingual and bi-cultural societies that do not assimilate are histories of turmoil, tension, and tragedy.' Canada , Belgium , Malaysia , and Lebanon all face crises of national existence in which minorities press for autonomy, if not independence. Pakistan and Cyprus have divided. Nigeria suppressed an ethnic rebellion. France faces difficulties with Basques, Bretons, Corsicans and Muslims.'

Lamm went on:

"Second, to destroy America , invent 'multiculturalism' and encourage immigrants to maintain their culture. Make it an article of belief that all cultures are equal; that there are no cultural differences. Make it an article of faith that the Black and Hispanic dropout rates are due solely to prejudice and discrimination by the majority. Every other explanation is out of bounds.

"Third, we could make the United States an 'Hispanic Quebec' without much effort. The key is to celebrate diversity rather than unity. As Benjamin Schwarz said in the Atlantic Monthly recently: 'The apparent success of our own multi-ethnic and multicultural experiment might have been achieved not by tolerance but by hegemony. Without the dominance that once dictated ethnocentricacy and what it meant to be an American, we are left with only tolerance and pluralism to hold us together.'

Lamm said, "I would encourage all immigrants to keep their own language and culture. I would replace the melting pot metaphor with the salad bowl metaphor. It is important to ensure that we have various cultural subgroups living in America enforcing their differences rather than as Americans, emphasizing their similarities.

"Fourth, I would make our fastest growing demographic group the least educated. I would add a second underclass, un-assimilated, under-educated, and antagonistic to our population. I would have this second underclass have a 50% dropout rate from high school.

"My fifth point for destroying America would be to get big foundations and business to give these efforts lots of money. I would invest in ethnic identity, and I would establish the cult of 'Victimology.' I would get all minorities to think that their lack of success was the fault of the majority. I would start a grievance industry blaming all minority failure on the majority.

"My sixth plan for America's downfall would include dual citizenship, and promote divided loyalties. I would celebrate diversity over unity. I would stress differences rather than similarities. Diverse people worldwide are mostly engaged in hating each other - that is, when they are not killing each other. A diverse, peaceful, or stable society is against most historical precept. People undervalue the unity it takes to keep a nation together. Look at the ancient Greeks. The Greeks believed that they belonged to the same race; they possessed a common language and literature; and they worshipped the same gods. All Greece took part in the Olympic Games. A common enemy, Persia , threatened their liberty. Yet all these bonds were not strong enough to overcome two factors: local patriotism and geographical conditions that nurtured political divisions. Greece fell. 'E. Pluribus Unum' -- From many, one. In that historical reality, if we put the emphasis on the 'pluribus' instead of the 'Unum,' we will 'Balkanize' America as surely as Kosovo.

"Finally, I would place all subjects off limits. Make it taboo to talk about anything against the cult of 'diversity.' I would find a word similar to 'heretic' in the 16th century - that stopped discussion and paralyzed thinking. Words like 'racist' or 'xenophobe' halt discussion and debate. Having made America a bilingual/bi-cultural country, having established multi-culturalism, having the large foundations fund the doctrine of 'Victimology,' I would next make it impossible to enforce our immigration laws. I would develop a mantra: That because immigration has been good for America , it must always be good. I would make every individual immigrant symmetric and ignore the cumulative impact of millions of them."

The basic belief that makes us who we are is our rights. If we do not know what they are, or how to keep them, we cannot expect newcomers to take them on – to assimilate.

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because they had thier eyes on the prize...

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2nd generation fatties
or
maybe they're both pregnant

? :don't know:

It sure doesn't look like either of these women are going 'without'
unless of course we're talking about 'healthy vegan eating', in which case

va-va-voom