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You obviously don't know who Sessions is.


Look man there are people who are/have illnesses and injuries that are greatly helped by marijuana. Brother Cracker is one I have seen his X rays. The people like myself who don't use dope but voted for medical marijuana don't want to see that stopped.

But the vast majority of people pushing for legal dope just want to sit around and get all fucked up. Like we need more drugged out people sitting around doing nothing. I see it, my nephew and his worthless friends all have their dope cards and none of them work or do a fucking thing.

So how can that be cleaned up without screwing over the people it helps? This is the real problem. People vote for something thinking it will help ill people and what we get for the most part is the opposite.

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You completely deflected about calling people paranoid about Jeffrey sessions, that's ok. He is probably the most hard-core drug warrior in America, and somehow he gets the position of Attorney General.

If you want the government to have the power to keep people from using plants, then you have to except the big government police state that comes with it as well as the black market, associated crime, and high incarceration rate .

You also have to completely ignore the fact that it does not work at all. There has been a war on drugs for decades and America has the highest rate of drug use. When is the big government drug war supposed to start working?

If the states have decided they don't want anymore of that then the will of the people needs to be respected.

I find it interesting that people are selective about what freedoms they want to have, you either believe in freedom or you don't.
 
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Like I said before...Sessions is Law & Order guy. If it's on the books as illegal, he's going to prosecute it.

The real problem was Obama took the BS panzy way out and just hired crooked cops that would just prosecute the laws they liked when they liked them. The real solution is for CONgress to repeal the law.
 

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It's not legal until employers quit piss testing and firing employees for testing positive for cannabis.
What's interesting about this is that private corporate policy/regulations supercede state law regarding this. That means that despite state law stating cannabis is legal, if corporate policy states no cannabis, then they can use it as a discriminator and not hire/ fire you.


Kinda show one who is boss...
 

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But the vast majority of people pushing for legal dope just want to sit around and get all fucked up. Like we need more drugged out people sitting around doing nothing. I see it, my nephew and his worthless friends all have their dope cards and none of them work or do a fucking thing.
Sure those folks may waste their lives, but who the frick cares what anyone else does with their life as long as they don't hurt you or cost you money. Their lives are theirs to waste as they wish.
 

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Sure those folks may waste their lives, but who the frick cares what anyone else does with their life as long as they don't hurt you or cost you money. Their lives are theirs to waste as they wish.
The logic is the government should ruin their live because they might get lazy lol.
 

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But the vast majority of people pushing for legal dope just want to sit around and get all fucked up. Like we need more drugged out people sitting around doing nothing. I see it, my nephew and his worthless friends all have their dope cards and none of them work or do a fucking thing.
Do you think the majority of the GIM members commenting on this thread just want to sit around and get all fucked up?

Most stoners work for a living, just as most alcoholics work for a living. At least the stoners aren't killing people on the roads every saturday night.

I haven't touched the stuff in decades, but think the prohibition of recreational marijuana is absurd, and prohibition of medical marijuana criminal beyond conscience.
 

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Do you think the majority of the GIM members commenting on this thread just want to sit around and get all fucked up?

Most stoners work for a living, just as most alcoholics work for a living. At least the stoners aren't killing people on the roads every saturday night.

I haven't touched the stuff in decades, but think the prohibition of recreational marijuana is absurd, and prohibition of medical marijuana criminal beyond conscience.
No dude, I am pretty sure they are not inhaling.
I think you were probably high on weed when you posted that, man. :beer:

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You completely deflected about calling people paranoid about Jeffrey sessions, that's ok. He is probably the most hard-core drug warrior in America, and somehow he gets the position of Attorney General.

If you want the government to have the power to keep people from using plants, then you have to except the big government police state that comes with it as well as the black market, associated crime, and high incarceration rate .

You also have to completely ignore the fact that it does not work at all. There has been a war on drugs for decades and America has the highest rate of drug use. When is the big government drug war supposed to start working?

If the states have decided they don't want anymore of that then the will of the people needs to be respected.

I find it interesting that people are selective about what freedoms they want to have, you either believe in freedom or you don't.
I think Jeff Sessions is doing a great job so far. I would like to see more swamp creatures taken down faster but I also understand it is a tricky job and has to be done right the first time. Zero room for mistakes.

As for dope, if it's the law he is going to enforce it. Pretty much black and white.
I personally don't give one flying shit about dope.
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What's interesting about this is that private corporate policy/regulations supercede state law regarding this. That means that despite state law stating cannabis is legal, if corporate policy states no cannabis, then they can use it as a discriminator and not hire/ fire you.


Kinda show one who is boss...
Employer policy has nothing to do with legality. It's about an employee's ability to perform their duties w/o putting the company at an unacceptable risk. Also, it's about insurability. I'm skeptical that most companies would change their policy regarding drug usage if this were made legal. Employers won't accept employees showing up to work drunk on alcohol or high on oxycontin (both of which are legal), and this is no different.....so its legal status is irrelevant.
 

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I think Jeff Sessions is doing a great job so far. I would like to see more swamp creatures taken down faster but I also understand it is a tricky job and has to be done right the first time. Zero room for mistakes.

As for dope, if it's the law he is going to enforce it. Pretty much black and white.
I personally don't give one flying shit about dope.
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I would be concerned about the police state that comes from enforcing these failed policies and the social ramifications.

The government being able to enforce these policies means that we have to give up certain freedoms.

Police can take your cash or property, without charging you with a crime, and the government wants to know what you do with your cash all under the guise of stopping drug dealers and terrorism.

And we know money corrupts. Every low level drug dealer that gets arrested means more money big and bigger budgets for law enforcement. Certain elements will start to view the population as nothing more than fodder, why else would they get permission from a dog to violate your rights, search your car and test the dirt under your floormat for specks of marijuana?
 
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The same forces that have brainwashed people into thinking guns are horrible have also created the same stigma for pot. It goes back to the Hearst publishing days and the DuPont family wanting to sell the government synthetic fiber for rope. Half of the country has smoked it and says "what's the problem" and many others have found honest benefit. The other half have never even tried it... but they know it's bad... and probably don't even know why. They just bought into the hype. The fact that one person is in jail for dope is absurd. I don't drink or smoke anymore, but I can tell you that legal alcohol is a much, much worse substance.
 

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The government's own statistics for death by ingestion of substance state the top 3 causes of death are alcohol, tobacco and prescription drugs. (I don't remember the exact order.) All three are legal. Marijuana ... ZERO. An intelligent mind could draw some conclusions about this.
 

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Hundreds of people lined up outside of Nevada’s pot dispensaries to get their first dose of legal weed as the state became the fifth in the nation to allow marijuana for recreational use.
State and local governments allowed recreational marijuana sales to take place in over 40 dispensaries, mostly concentrated in Southern Nevada, starting shortly after midnight on July 1.








The Las Vegas Review-Journal reported that an estimated 400 to 500 people stood in line outside Euphoria Wellness in Las Vegas waiting to get their pot fix after midnight.

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At Reef Dispensaries, another dispensary in Las Vegas, lines to get into the store went around the block.

The demand for pot did not slow as lines still formed outside dispensaries located near the Las Vegas Strip late Saturday morning and into the afternoon.

At The Source, crowds of people flocked to buy products from the store’s shelves while another hundred people waited outside.

ABC News reported that many of these stores enticed customers with free pot giveaways.

Nevada’s residents voted to legalize recreational marijuana back in November, around the same time California and Massachusetts also voted to make pot legal for recreational use.

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State law allows anyone 21 years of age and older to buy up to an ounce of cannabis, which can only be used in private homes. Marijuana is still illegal to use in public places — such as casinos, restaurants, bars, concert halls, and parks — and those who violate the law face up to $600 in fines, the Associated Pressreported.

The states of Colorado, Oregon, Alaska, and Washington have also legalized marijuana for recreational use, although it is still an illegal substance under federal law.

White House Press Secretary Sean Spicersuggested in February that there would be greater enforcement of federal marijuana laws in states that legalized recreational use of the drug.
 

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Ohio voted to make it legal, however it was a very bad issue here, was monopoly the way it was written. I, as well as many I talked to, voted no for much the same reason. Although, some, (me), probably would have voted yes, had it been written different and just been for medical use. Some did mention moral or religious reasons.

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Legalize (or at least decriminalize) ALL "illegal" drugs (for adult personal use).
Let the chips fall where they may.

I repeat = ALL the "studies" on the topic have shown that it's the SAME percentage of the population who will "use" - whether it's "legal" or "illegal".

Enough wasted taxpayer money already! Between =
- prohibition
- enforcement
- justice system
- prison system

And on top of all that - how is it possible for ANYONE to LEGISLATE what you put in your OWN body? In a so-called "Free Country", on top of it all... (& I can't get over the "raw milk" issue... talk about interfering with your "own body"!)
 

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More bull shiat.........

Arkansas Dept. of Health: You Can Have Medical Marijuana Card or a Gun, Not Both

The Arkansas Department of Health is warning would-be applicants for medical marijuana cards that they can have the card or the ability to buy a gun, but not both.
This warning came as Texarkana’s board of directors set forth rules and costs for establishing medical marijuana dispensaries.

According to NWA, the Ark. Dept. of Health is stressing that an individual cannot have “a medical marijuana card and legally own a gun because pot is still illegal on the federal level.” In other words, a resident licensed to legally purchase marijuana for medical purposes in Arkansas would still have to answer in the affirmative when asked about unlawful use of marijuana during a background check for firearms purchases.

Form 4473 of the background check process asks if the would-be firearm purchaser is “an unlawful user of … marijuana.” No one who answers “yes” to that question can purchase a gun. The basis for that question is federal law, rather than laws in the state.

The dichotomy between state-level legality and federal-level legality has been problematic for medical marijuana users in other states as well. On August 31, 2016, Breitbart News reported that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit ruled that a ban on firearm purchases for medical marijuana card holders is constitutional. That ruling was issued in a case originating in Nevada, where S. Rowan Wilson was denied a firearm purchase “after obtaining a medical marijuana card.”

The Associated Press reports that while some states have legalized marijuana for medicinal purposes, this conflicts with federal law. Therefore, “the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives has told gun sellers they can assume a person with a medical marijuana card uses the drug,” and this means the cardholder cannot pass a federal background check for a gun purchase.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...pt-health-can-medical-marijuana-card-gun-not/
 

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Most of what I have read about MJ and have observed its users infers that many stoners would not remember where their guns were in the house,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, let alone having the capacity to hold a train of thought as to what these people intended to do with it in the first place.

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but I can go buy all the liquor I want and have as many guns as i want? This whole thing is stupid. Its a plant. Nothing more. The gov has no right to regulate it anymore than it does tomatoes.
What about hemp with no ability to get one high. How could that be made illegal as well?
 

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Most of what I have read about MJ and have observed its users infers that many stoners would not remember where their guns were in the house,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, let alone having the capacity to hold a train of thought as to what these people intended to do with it in the first place.

SH

Try not to believe everything you read and about half of what you see.
Talk to some Nam' vets about cannabis and combat.
Believe that.
 

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Ya know, all my life I’ve sit back and watched people bloviate on subjects that they have no experience with. Whether it be network administration, combat, or drug use, people seem to think that since they have read all about it or tried it once or twice that they can advise or restrict others in its application.

If you’ve done something for a couple years I’ll listen to your input. If you’ve smoked dope twice and gave it up forever don’t lecture me on its side effects, morality, legality, social acceptability, or frequency of use.

Pass the popcorn, please.

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Ironically DARE is what got me interested in drugs lol.

I was a child, I didn't really even know what drugs were until I saw the dare videos.

And the videos that I saw were not educational at all. It was just the fried egg in the pan brain on drugs type of video.

Once I was old enough to understand what a crack head or heroin addict was I've vowed to stay away.


Most normal people I associate with smoke weed. I can't believe most of my family are criminals and should be locked up. My mother my father my brother all my friends and myself have been around enough weed to be thrown in jail for decades.
 

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Locally a DARE officer was busted for selling cocaine.
If we can't even keep the cops off the stuff, what realistic chance do we have of keeping the general public from doing it?

Heck, they can't even keep drugs out of their jails, so what chance is there of keeping them out of a presumably free and open society?

Open question to those supporting illegality of anything: What is the point of all this? Just to create a revolving door type of prison system that doesn't actually do anything to fix the perceived problem? Seems like a lot of wheel spinning to me. We spend billions, and what have we gotten for the money? The problem seems to have only gotten worse IMHO.

Typically when I identify a problem, I look for an effective solution. Not one that costs lots of money while only serving to prolong the originally identified problem.
 

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This war on drugs(The people) has been going on for over 40 years now. A failure by any standard. How is it possible thaT EVERY MAJOR CITY OR EVEN MiNOR CITY HAS A HEROINE EPIDEMIC? Oops sorry bout the caps. Its not being grown in the US so it has to be coming in from over seas. Has to be coming in in truckloads for the supply to be reaching every corner of the country and a continual supply at that to create all the addicts.
 

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Cigarlover , if I'm not mistaken , Mexico has moved up to the #3 grower of opium producing poppies.
Me thinks the current epidemic of heroin addiction can be traced to cheap Mexican smack.
I've been visiting a friend in prison for over 12 years and I'm here to tell you that a lot of the inmates are smoking the good stuff.
Biggest smugglers?
The dirty corrections officer who is paid $12.50 an hour. That CO can make a months wages smuggling in an ounce of weed.
A pouch of smuggled Bugler tobacco was about $300 bux last I heard.
The amount of money that circulates in the informal economy must be staggering.
 

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^ exzactly why they want to control it, err reap it, tax it...

But there is digression. The point being cannabis is not other so called drugs. It's not cocaine, heroin, ETOH, any kind of depressant, unless you want it to be, and program it as such, but the great majority of the time, it elevates you. Point being is that cannabis is one of the most innocent transgressions in so called law as to render any such law as laughable in it's application. Any cop, if they know anything true about cannabis, know that it is one of the most harmless medications that people take. Perhaps harmless to them, but not harmless in what it does to any maladies people have, as it helps relieve many medical conditions.
 

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Interesting side note... my youngest is in retail, doing awesome so gets moved around a lot. Current stint is just north of Miami in the big buck burbs. She has shared some very interesting things pertaining to habits of purchasers. First off, it is obviously a multi lingual area, but I had no idea that retail employees are required to know at least three, she told me she has heard of people knowing 7 to 10 languages. Large Russian, Portuguese, Hebrew, French, in addition to the Spanish and English speakers.

Second, they all use cash. She said wether the purchase is two hundred or two thousand, 80+% of gross receipts are greenbacks. So much so the local mall had not one but four currency exchange kiosks. Funny thing is just like millennials you see throwing pennies on the ground outside the seven eleven, they don't want change in their pockets. So if the bill is 199.03, they hand over two hundreds and the cashier offers but almost always throws the .97 into a tip jar on the counter. Adding up to hundreds on an average day.

Anyways this info has been rattling around my noodle for weeks, but the burning question is where does all this cash come from? How does it reenter the market. Lastly just how big is the drug trade? a trillion or many trillions a year?

Clearly its the who is getting paid as to why more things arn't legal. Is it possible that the market is so large that legalizing would crash the world economy? Or at least tilt the gauntlet of power....
 

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This war on drugs(The people) has been going on for over 40 years now. A failure by any standard. How is it possible thaT EVERY MAJOR CITY OR EVEN MiNOR CITY HAS A HEROINE EPIDEMIC? Oops sorry bout the caps. Its not being grown in the US so it has to be coming in from over seas. Has to be coming in in truckloads for the supply to be reaching every corner of the country and a continual supply at that to create all the addicts.
A brilliant question! And one that the medical community, the psychiatric community, the sociologist community and the government simply cannot (will not?) answer. Americans have been a generally "sober" people. Yes we drink alcohol as most all populations do. Yes, we have those who have slid downhill into alcoholism, again, as all populations have had. But the widespread addiction to intoxicating substances beyond alcohol seems to happen only when a population is under an all encompassing duress. The only example I can think of at the moment is China and it's widespread opium addiction. This happened as the English pillaged China for it's silver which was the currency of China at the time.

I have often thought that there is a unique connection between the currency in a country and the values/ valuations of the people of that country. There is, of course and of necessity, the impact of the stability of that currency that is correlated with the values and valuations made by the populace of that country. The disruptions in people's lives and thinking caused by currency instabilities simply cannot be overestimated. It deeply affects our sense of value, our separating of good from bad, right from wrong. In a way currencies beyond the hard values of silver and gold are what I would call dynamically parasitic on the values and therefore the moral and ethical norms of the populace. In other words as the stability of the currency of a country degrades so does it's social values. Alcohol being insufficient to provide escape or relief from this decline is soon replaced with other substances beyond mere marijuana. The "Green Witch", absinth, coca, opium and, thanks to Bayer, highly refined and concentrated opium products which are morphine and heroin and the relatively new group of synthetic opium products called opioids which have the US population in a stranglehold at the moment.

If we step back and look at the US currency we can see 18th and 19th century China all over again. A widespread and growing addiction to opioids and refined opium products as the dollar is continually degraded by the Fed Reserve (see: inflation) to the point the US dollar teeters on complete worthlessness. And this controlled decline in value I am convinced could linked in a lockstep fashion to the moral and ethical decay of American personal and social values over the last century. Now, as we near the end of this decline which will result in collapse we find ourselves wrestling with widespread and growing substance addictions.

Of course, I'm no sociologist or doctor or historian and this is all some wild-ass theory cooked up by some crank on the interwebz. I have NOTHING to substantiate this theory. Just a guess on my part from an over active imagination. However, I've heard absolutely nothing from any professional community that makes any more sense.

Now, let's add in all the SSRIs (Prozac, Paxil, etc.) and the other stuff (diazapem?) based on an older drug called Valium, prescribed as a tranquilizer and it's easy to see that the people of the US are in a world of hurt beyond the "new opioid crisis". The US populace has been in an expanding crisis since the 1950's. Remember how it used to be so popular to visit a psychiatrist? Why? What is happening to drive Americans to seek such levels of escape and relief? In a way I feel like I've donned my Captain Obvious costume or I'm just trying to make a connection between easy seen problems to provide a simple, if wrong, cause and effect explanation for this mess that is literally killing off the US population. Whatever lies at the root of this problem the medical, psychiatric and sociological "experts" need to start thinking "out of the box" and beyond the failed doctrines and dogmas of their respective professions.