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Mexico border wall: Trump orders aides to seize private land and disregard environmental rules

Josh Dawsey, Nick Miroff,The Independent 15 hours ago




President Donald Trump is so eager to complete hundreds of miles of border fence ahead of the 2020 presidential election that he has directed aides to fast-track billions of dollars' worth of construction contracts, aggressively seize private land and disregard environmental rules, according to current and former officials involved with the project.
He also has told worried subordinates that he will pardon them of any potential wrongdoing should they have to break laws to get the barriers built quickly, those officials said.

Trump has repeatedly promised to complete 500 miles of fencing by the time voters go to the polls in November 2020, stirring chants of "Finish the Wall!" at his political rallies as he pushes for tighter border controls.
But the US Army Corps of Engineers has completed just about 60 miles of "replacement" barrier during the first 2½ years of Trump's presidency, all of it in areas that previously had border infrastructure.
The president has told senior aides that a failure to deliver on the signature promise of his 2016 campaign would be a letdown to his supporters and an embarrassing defeat.
With the election 14 months away and hundreds of miles of fencing plans still in blueprint form, Trump has held regular White House meetings for progress updates and to hasten the pace, according to several people involved in the discussions.
When aides have suggested that some orders are illegal or unworkable, Trump has suggested he would pardon the officials if they would just go ahead, aides said.
He has waved off worries about contracting procedures and the use of eminent domain, saying "take the land," according to officials who attended the meetings.
"Don't worry, I'll pardon you," he has told officials in meetings about the wall.


"He said people expected him to build a wall, and it had to be done by the election," one former official said.
Asked for comment, a White House official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, said Trump is joking when he makes such statements about pardons.
Deputy White House press secretary Hogan Gidley said Tuesday that the president is protecting the country with the addition of new border barriers.
"Donald Trump promised to secure our border with sane, rational immigration policies to make American communities safer, and that's happening everywhere the wall is being built," Gidley said.
He said internal criticisms of Trump "are just more fabrications by people who hate the fact the status quo, that has crippled this country for decades, is finally changing as President Trump is moving quicker than anyone in history to build the wall, secure the border and enact the very immigration policies the American people voted for."

"President Trump is fighting aggressively for the American people where other leaders in the past have rolled over, sold out, and done absolutely nothing," he said.
Defence Secretary Mark Esper is expected to approve a White House request to divert $3.6 billion in Pentagon funds to the barrier project in coming weeks, money that Trump sought after lawmakers refused to allocate $5 billion.
The funds will be pulled from Defence Department projects in 26 states, according to administration officials who, like others, spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe the matter.
Trump's determination to build the barriers as quickly as possible has not diminished his interest in the aesthetic aspects of the project, particularly the requirement that the looming steel barriers be painted black and topped with sharpened tips.
In a meeting at the White House on May 23, Trump ordered the Army Corps and the Department of Homeland Security to paint the structure black, according to internal communications reviewed by The Washington Post.
Administration officials have stopped trying to talk him out of the demands, and the US Army Corps of Engineers is preparing to instruct contractors to apply black paint or coating to all new barrier fencing, the communications show.
Trump conceded last year in an immigration meeting with lawmakers that a wall or barrier is not the most effective mechanism to curb illegal immigration, recognising it would accomplish less than a major expansion of US enforcement powers and deportation authority.
But he told lawmakers that his supporters want a wall and that he has to deliver it.
Trump talked about the loud cheers the wall brought at rallies, according to one person with direct knowledge of the meeting.
Former White House chief of staff John Kelly would often tell administration officials to disregard the president's demands if Kelly did not think they were feasible or legally sound, according to current and former aides.
During a conference call last week, officials at US Customs and Border Protection told Army Corps engineers that the hundreds of miles of fencing must be completed before the next presidential election, according to administration officials with knowledge of the call who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe internal communications.
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"Border Patrol insists on compressed acquisition timelines, and we consent. Their goal is to get contracts awarded, not for us to get a quality contract with a thoroughly vetted contractor," said one senior official who is concerned the agency has been hurried to hand out contracts as quickly as possible.
Military officials expect more contract protests because the arrangements have been rushed, the official added. The Army Corps already has had to take corrective actions for two procurement contracts, after companies protested.
The companies building the fencing and access roads have been taking heavy earth-moving equipment into environmentally sensitive border areas adjacent to US national parks and wildlife preserves, but the administration has waived procedural safeguards and impact studies, citing national security concerns.
"They don't care how much money is spent, whether landowners' rights are violated, whether the environment is damaged, the law, the regs or even prudent business practices," the senior official said.
CBP has suggested no longer writing risk-assessment memos "related to the fact that we don't have real estate rights and how this will impact construction," the official said.
While Trump has insisted that the barriers be painted, the cost of painting them will reduce the length of the fence the government will be able to build.


According to the internal analysis, painting or coating 175 miles of barriers "will add between $70 million and $133 million in cost," trimming the amount of fencing the Army Corps will be able to install by four to seven miles.
In June, teams of US soldiers painted a one-mile section of fence in Calexico, California, at a cost of $1 million. The coating, known as "matte black" or "flat black," absorbs heat, making the fence hot to the touch, more slippery and therefore tougher to climb, according to border agents.
At Trump's behest, the Army Corps also is preparing to instruct contractors to remove from the upper part of the fence the smooth metal plates that are used to thwart climbers. The president considered that design feature unsightly, according to officials familiar with his directives.
Instead, contractors have been asked to cut the tips of the steel bollards to a sharpened point. Trump had told aides this spring he thought the barrier should be spiked to instil a fear of injury.
The change in the bollard design is likely to reduce the overall length of the barrier by two to three miles, according to the administration's cost assessments.
CBP has used a pointed design in the past, according to agency officials, either by installing a pyramid-shaped cap or making what the agency refers to as a "miter cut" in the metal.
Trump remains keen to tout incremental progress towards his wall-building commitments, and in recent weeks, top Homeland Security officials have taken to Twitter to promote the advances.
In recent days, DHS leaders including acting CBP chief Mark Morgan and the top official at US Citizenship and Immigration Services, Ken Cuccinelli, have tweeted photos of border fence construction, echoing promises that 450 miles of new barrier will be completed by next year.
Another senior administration official credited both men with injecting urgency, saying that "things are starting to crank away," even though Cuccinelli's agency is not involved in the project.
Dan Scavino Jr., the White House social media director, has asked for video footage and photos of equipment digging up the desert and planting the barriers so that administration officials can tweet about it, aides said.
Administration officials involved in the project also defended the president's use of eminent domain laws to speed the process.
"There is no more constitutionally permissible public purpose for eminent domain than national defence," said a current administration official who was not authorised to speak on the record about the contracting process.
"Our intention is to negotiate with every property owner, and every property owner will receive fair market value for the land," the official said. "But the land that is needed is not replaceable land. This is not like building a hospital or even a school. There is no alternative land to the border."
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CBP and Pentagon officials insist they remain on track to complete about 450 miles of fencing by the election. Of that, about 110 miles will be added to areas where there is currently no barrier.
The height of the structure will vary between 18 and 30 feet, high enough to inflict severe injury or death from a fall.
The Border Patrol's strategic planning and analysis office has not made a final decision on the black paint or other White House design requests .
"Ultimately, we'll do our assessment and determine what is the best for us operationally," said Brian Martin, the office's chief, adding that the agency is waiting to get border agents' feedback on whether the coating would be beneficial.
Martin also said CBP would continue to install anti-climb panels on portions of the barrier already under contract, calling the design "very vital to overall effectiveness."
But he and other CBP officials said that some new portions of barriers will have the panels and that others will not, a determination that he said will be guided by necessity, not aesthetics.
Trump has recently urged the Army Corps to award a contract to a company he favours, North Dakota-based Fisher Industries, though the firm has not been selected.
Fisher has been aggressively pushed by Trump ally Sen. Kevin Cramer, R-N.D., who briefly held up the confirmation of a Trump budget office nominee last month in an attempt to put pressure on the Army Corps.
Cramer demanded to see the contracts awarded to Fisher's competitors, lashing out at the "arrogance" of the Army Corps in emails to military officials after he was told the bidding process involved proprietary information that could not be shared.
The CEO of Fisher Industries is a major backer of Cramer and has donated to his campaigns.
Cramer visited the El Paso area Tuesday to tour border facilities and view a span of privately funded border fencing Fisher built as a showcase for what it claims are superior construction techniques.
Cramer posted videos of his tour to social media. He undertook the tour "to see the crisis at our border firsthand."
The senator had asked Lt. Gen. Todd Semonite, the commander of the Army Corps, to meet him at the site, but Semonite is traveling in Brazil, where the Trump administration has offered to help fight wildfires in the Amazon.
In an email to The Post, Cramer said he met with CEO Tommy Fisher on Tuesday at a span of fencing the company built on private land; he said Army Corps officials joined them at the site.
"The agents on the ground said the walls have been very helpful in slowing illegal crossings," Cramer wrote. "I'm not a wall-building expert, but at the pace of the last few years, it's hard to see how 450 miles gets built with the same process. . . . I wish DHS would engage a whole bunch of builders and innovators rather than rely on the same decades old bureaucracy."
Cramer said he shared the president's "frustration" with the pace of progress.
Several administration officials who confirmed the White House's urgency said they expect to be able to deliver on Trump's demands because the actual construction of the barriers is typically the last step in the process.
"There is a long lead time to acquiring land, getting permits and identifying funding," the official said. "I think you will see a dramatic increase in wall construction next year because all of the work over the past two years has primed the pump."
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/mexico-border-wall-trump-orders-072616021.html
 

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I read about this this morning and thinking it is a fake story, I just went about my day...idk

King Trump...I'd be o.k. if i knew where it was all actually going, i like to think I basically agree, he's playing politics and is going to 'strike' at some time...etc...i'm tired and have lost my edge...

if he goes eminent domain, i'm basically fine, it's garbage property that if paid quickly and fairly, that would be honest and good and all that...but I'd like to have Public Proof and some of that seems to be unavailable as it All seems to be of National Interest, or sealed, or unavailable like that video in a Federal Penitentiary...o.k.

idk but, it's my fucking dime and I have a god damned right to know where it's going...and yet, there is NEVER anything to show for most of it as it all seems to get lost, misplaced, mispent or spent on projects to entice illegals to 'come join us'

it's fake, for me, until it isn't

thanks for the share, reminded me of why I sweat today, to not hear the news for a while...
 

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President Donald Trump is so eager to complete hundreds of miles of border fence ahead of the 2020 presidential election that he has directed aides to fast-track billions of dollars' worth of construction contracts, aggressively seize private land and disregard environmental rules, according to current and former officials involved with the project.
He also has told worried subordinates that he will pardon them of any potential wrongdoing should they have to break laws to get the barriers built quickly, those officials said.
Ooooooh Bullshit. This was written by a bleeding hemorrhoid, leftists. How much land does Trump need to build a wall, 200 feet???
 

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See, this doesn't sound correct:

At Trump's behest, the Army Corps also is preparing to instruct contractors to remove from the upper part of the fence the smooth metal plates that are used to thwart climbers. The president considered that design feature unsightly, according to officials familiar with his directives.
Trump woudn't say anything like this...
 

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Nothing new here.

The US government has a long history of seizing land under eminent domain for national defense. In WWII whole swaths of areas were taken for Los Alamos and the rest of the Manhattan project. Go further back to WWI and you'll see Wilson seized land for military bases and testing grounds.

Actually the most land seizures have occurred under democratic presidents by the way.

Trump is justified in seizing the land for the border fence since it is in the national interests -- something the author failed to mention.
 

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Just build the damn thing.
Quickly.
Bigly.
Electrically (if possible).

We are being invaded.
It must stop.
A country without borders isnt a country.

We can still strive to have humane immigration policies - policies that are balanced with what the nation needs in terms of skills.

The government has a solemn obligation to protect the territory and well being of America and its CITIZENS and LEGAL guest aliens...
 

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Trump is justified in seizing the land for the border fence since it is in the national interests -- something the author failed to mention.
let's be real here,

it shouldn't be in private hands to start with,
it should, and always should have been a 'border' ie land set aside as a defensive perimeter,
not cows and illegals shuffling around on it

as for tramp and seizing property, he harbors no illusions there, as he is all too happy to make that happen
 

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Over the years the courts will figure things out, I'm sure ranches and farmers will be suing long after we all are dead.
 

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let's be real here,

it shouldn't be in private hands to start with,
it should, and always should have been a 'border' ie land set aside as a defensive perimeter,
not cows and illegals shuffling around on it

as for tramp and seizing property, he harbors no illusions there, as he is all too happy to make that happen
Agreed! I believe our neighbors to the North consider all border land, "Crown Land" that is long term leased and can be requisitioned back in certain times. Please correct me if I am wrong but that is what was explained to me by several Canadians.

Many other countries don't allow ownership of land tangent to an international border but can be leased or used under grant. Then again, most people in said countries don't want the land on the border since the neighbors are not too nice.
 

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Over the years the courts will figure things out, I'm sure ranches and farmers will be suing long after we all are dead.
Correct! Texas farmers are still trying to recoup proper payment from past seizures in the courts. I think the last of the Tennessee landowners finally settled their claims against the TVA in the early 2000s.
 

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Wait a minute. eminent domain is a I am going to take it BUT just taking it is theft. IDT meaning I don't think the Trump can just take land unless hostilities have been declared. And same goes for a STATE but a state only gets reparations for the full faith and credit expended in repelling an invasion.

This is going to get interesting.
 

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Pipeline companies condemn land in Texas faster than the landowner can react, and compensation depends on who you are. If you're a little guy, low ball, if you're big, fair market.
 

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Pipeline companies condemn land in Texas faster than the landowner can react, and compensation depends on who you are. If you're a little guy, low ball, if you're big, fair market.
yeah BUT, but when a pipe line goes underneath the surface then rent is payed and if it is a water/sludge line on top then rent is payed then if anything ruptures then clean up is had and reparations are in order and this goes for the cows that for some reason can detect nasty water or oil and just face dive in it.

This theft of land for a defensive wall means we are cooked. And, the Trump is stealing it? yeah right.
 

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Wait a minute. eminent domain is a I am going to take it BUT just taking it is theft.
which misses the point entirely,

the border area should never have been in private hands to begin with,

so the argument is moot, and not even worth discussing
 

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LOL

:secret:

i wouldn't be a damned bit surprised if a small bit of it was built on Mexican soil just for the fun of it...and that's probably Trumps fault, what a Guy!

:winks2:
 

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Pipeline companies condemn land in Texas faster than the landowner can react, and compensation depends on who you are. If you're a little guy, low ball, if you're big, fair market.
I wouldn't begin to state I know anything about this, however, this is not justifiable and fits into the category of the Elite get theirs and the rest get shit

This is a 'lands right issue' based upon what you, personally own

any links to show the elite get more than the sheep???
 

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yeah BUT, but when a pipe line goes underneath the surface then rent is payed and if it is a water/sludge line on top then rent is payed then if anything ruptures then clean up is had and reparations are in order and this goes for the cows that for some reason can detect nasty water or oil and just face dive in it.

This theft of land for a defensive wall means we are cooked. And, the Trump is stealing it? yeah right.
No, pipeliners pay a one time settlement, even if billions of dollar worth of energy moves through the pipeline. No rent, no royalty's, no nothing.
 

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As I was reading I thought... hmmm this sounds like screed from the left.

They'll parrot this for weeks as truth. I think it's BS...
 

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Ha!

Whod've thunk so many "freedom-loving, private-property-defending, rugged individualists" would be so willing, eager even, to accept and even applaud the outrageous and quasi-dictatorial impulses of some despot, even yearning for him to become "King".

Welcome to South America.
 

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Ha!

Whod've thunk so many "freedom-loving, private-property-defending, rugged individualists" would be so willing, eager even, to accept and even applaud the outrageous and quasi-dictatorial impulses of some despot, even yearning for him to become "King".

Welcome to South America.
I applaud your dogmatic stance, even though I totally disagree.

National borders require security and access control.

Your adamantly libertarian border beliefs preclude you from seeing the glaringly obvious national security necessity for a border fence.
 

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I applaud your dogmatic stance, even though I totally disagree.

National borders Welfare States require security and access control.

Your adamantly libertarian border beliefs preclude you from seeing the glaringly obvious national security necessity for a border fence.
There, fixed it for ya.

Only prison States need to be walled-off. When China became one, they walled themselves off. When East Germany became one, they did the same. Now it's the US's turn, I suppose. But for 150-200 years, it did just fine without one, in spite of your theory.

However, my point is not just about the silly fake wall, although it is amusing to remember those videos depicting the wild fantasies dreamed up by feverish nationalists, with renderings of fortress-like structures stretching hundreds of miles, all of which will never happen.

No, my point is not to mock that. I was simply expressing my astonishment and remarking upon the danger inherent when even supposedly staunch freedom lovers are willing to bend over and accept despotic, dictatorial rule, even joking (?) about embracing a King, so long as they're convinced they'll be on the side of those favored by "the Chosen One" (as he has called himself).

Just sayin'.
 

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Welcome to South America.
Very ironic isn't it? Some are so terrified of people from south of the border that they support policies once commonly attributed to nations
south of the border. And you know what else, there are probably parts of South America where property rights are now more secure than in parts of the United States.
 

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I applaud your dogmatic stance, even though I totally disagree.

National borders require security and access control.

Your adamantly libertarian border beliefs preclude you from seeing the glaringly obvious national security necessity for a border fence.
NO. a fence is for defense. A bound marks jurisdiction or territory. On can have a bound and no fence but to put a fence up means there is an attack that must be defended, from. One can also have a fence if it divides a property as in keeps the cows out of the corn. To have a fence on the bounds is usually predicated on needing to keep livestock inside the bound and has nothing to do with defense; being cows get out and graze-having a fence along the bounds alleviates the concerns of livestock bringing torts from a neighboring bound for consumption of pasture. Now if the bull gear jumps the heifer shaft then we all be in trouble.

I think a fence is stupid. And, this is because I think that drones should just ….well it involves a rotary cannon and an increase in the coyote population.
 

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which misses the point entirely,

the border area should never have been in private hands to begin with,

so the argument is moot, and not even worth discussing
WTF? "should never been in?Who's fucking hands?" Who pays the county Tax's? Why the guy who owns that parcel of land does. Ur f'n totalitarian fargin never producers would never pay a tax. NO! they would abscond with that, that used to produce for SAFTEY....yeah safety or even safe which bears a definition of "could be" as in could be safe or could not be safe. there is no security which is why there is an amendment that stipulates that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed. What is really revealing about that amendment is that there is no qualifier after infringed.

I say drone the shits with lead falling from the skys…..They will get the message.

And, as an addendum every one knows the STATE of California has determined that lead is poisonous to your health so lots of dead bodies littered in betwixed lead shot should show that the bound between mec-he-cho and this land is very dangerous and hazardous to their breathing capabilities.
 
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No, pipeliners pay a one time settlement, even if billions of dollar worth of energy moves through the pipeline. No rent, no royalty's, no nothing.
Kind of what I was saying...BUT I had to throw the leak of substance that the pipe is facilitating in there... Yeah, leaks mean fences and dead cows... Which means leak is fixed and surface is disturbed and yeah you can guess the rest.
 

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Using eminent domain to protect the border sounds like the sort of thing eminent domain was designed for...just make sure i's are dotted and T's are crossed so people aren't run roughshod over or bad precedents set.

However, not the first time the infant tyrant Trump has tried to use eminent domain for his advantage.

Vera Coking handed Trump his ass in court when he tried to use eminent domain to seize her property for his casino.
She was still living there when his casino went bankrupt.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vera_Coking
 

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What is really revealing about that amendment is that there is no qualifier after infringed.
It shouldn't need a qualifier. The fact that there is no qualifier means that any law restricting guns should be seen as an infringement.

Using eminent domain to protect the border sounds like the sort of thing eminent domain was designed for.
Agreed.


Vera Coking handed Trump his ass in court when he tried to use eminent domain to seize her property for his casino.
This incident is one of the things that I don't like about Trump's past.

Imho, eminent domain should never be used to gain land for private development. If someone wants a particular piece of land that is already owned by someone else, they should have to bid for it by making an offer. An offer that the owner has the Right to refuse if they don't want to sell.
 

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This incident is one of the things that I don't like about Trump's past..

But it was ok to bring in immigrant workers from the other side of the world, have them help build his buildings and then send them back without pay?

It was OK for him to use the same laws to help his own family which he called "chain immigration?"

It was OK for him to be the leader of a full on fraud and scam, called 'tee 'you?

It was OK for him to say that it would be easy to bring that "bi%$#h to justice" and then actually help her to cover up her crimes instead?

It was OK for him run cover for hardened criminals guilty of murder and rape of children and push the issue aside?

Eminent domain overreach is just a minor item in their bag of tricks.