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Trump orders regulations drawn up to ban bump stocks

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ANOTHER WIN FOR THE DEEP STATE

Trump orders regulations drawn up to ban bump stocks



Andy Sullivan and Eric Beech
Feb 20th 2018 4:17PM
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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Tuesday his administration would take steps to outlaw an accessory that enables a rifle to shoot hundreds of rounds a minute, as the White House added he may consider other firearms restrictions after last week's school shooting in Florida.

"Just a few moments ago I signed a memorandum directing the attorney general to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns," Trump told a White House event.

The move would bypass Congress, where legislation to ban "bump stocks" has failed to advance since an October massacre in Las Vegas that killed 58 people. It puts Trump at odds with powerful gun rights groups like the National Rifle Association that previously opposed efforts to ban them.
 

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"Just a few moments ago I signed a memorandum directing the attorney general to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns," Trump told a White House event.
That statement is idiotic and inaccurate!
 

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In agreement, FFS...for starters a gun is a machine! Let's try to use the same language we all agreed upon. My head!
 

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Smart move, ban something that is basically stupid and useless.
Then he can say he did something.

It is already illegal to turn a semi-automatic weapon into a fully automatic weapon, and such devices are already banned.
But I guess it sounds good to the HS students who are crying out for action.
Note I haven't heard a single HS student complain about the local and state cops as well as the FBI ignoring all the warnings they got about this nut.
Note I haven't heard a single HS student complain about crazy peers on SSRIs alowed to attend school with them after decades of school shootings by them.

Let's ban giving mind altering drugs to young people under 25, when the drug companies own studies show the same effectiveness as a sugar pill, and possible adverse side effects like suicide and violent behavior like school shootings.
 

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"Just a few moments ago I signed a memorandum directing the attorney general to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns," Trump told a White House event.
It doesn’t turn the weapon into a machine gun, and neither the president nor attorney general have the authority to ban them.

The president is overstepping his bounds and should be impeached.
 

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Not 6?
I am a victim of the "new math" of the 1960s.
Just another failed experiment by our "educators".
Shoot I think you are right, it's a plus not an x. My head was still tilted from viewing crackers pics.
 

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It doesn’t turn the weapon into a machine gun, and neither the president nor attorney general have the authority to ban them.

The president is overstepping his bounds and should be impeached.
Don't hold your breath. Obama overstepped his bounds for 8 years and I didn't see one post from you demanding The Kenyan be impeached. Stop shilling, it's unbecoming!
 

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Don't hold your breath. Obama overstepped his bounds for 8 years and I didn't see one post from you demanding The Kenyan be impeached. Stop shilling, it's unbecoming!
This has nothing to do with obama and shouldn’t be about me personally either.

This is the president overstepping his legal bounds and attacking our guns unilaterally from the white house.

Open up your eyes. This is a very bad precedent.
 

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This has nothing to do with obama and shouldn’t be about me personally either.

This is the president overstepping his legal bounds and attacking our guns unilaterally from the white house.

Open up your eyes. This is a very bad precedent.
My eyes are wide open my friend! I see you!
 

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I see it as classic Sun-Tzu Art of War (one of Trump's favorite books).

When challenged by the opposition go along with them and challenge them to come up with the solution knowing full well they will overstep their boundaries because they can't help themselves. Then at a later time, nullify the agreement because of the opposition's overreach focusing on the overreach and highlighting the fact that they had one job and they screwed that up, royally! Opposition is now on the defensive and the original battle is forgotten as a new battle is waged.

Trump used that tactic when he got the Wolman rink contract in NY's Central Park. He challenged the NYC politicians and local unions that opposed him getting the contract to come up with a plan to restore the rink and he said he'd go along with it. The politicians and unions fell into the trap and Trump had the Canadian construction firm all set to go when it backfired on them. Then he rebuilt the rink in record time with non-union help because he had them classified as "industry specialist" giving on the job training to disadvantaged youth in the trades.

I may not always agree with Trump but I admire his strategy.
 

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A "bump stock" doesn't turn any "weapon" into a "machine gun".....any more than a pencil and a rubber band does.

 

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I see it as classic Sun-Tzu Art of War (one of Trump's favorite books).

When challenged by the opposition go along with them and challenge them to come up with the solution knowing full well they will overstep their boundaries because they can't help themselves. Then at a later time, nullify the agreement because of the opposition's overreach focusing on the overreach and highlighting the fact that they had one job and they screwed that up, royally! Opposition is now on the defensive and the original battle is forgotten as a new battle is waged.

Trump used that tactic when he got the Wolman rink contract in NY's Central Park. He challenged the NYC politicians and local unions that opposed him getting the contract to come up with a plan to restore the rink and he said he'd go along with it. The politicians and unions fell into the trap and Trump had the Canadian construction firm all set to go when it backfired on them. Then he rebuilt the rink in record time with non-union help because he had them classified as "industry specialist" giving on the job training to disadvantaged youth in the trades.

I may not always agree with Trump but I admire his strategy.
Good post OGD, I agree 100%

Many moons ago I was staying over an acquaintances house with a group of people and we were camped out around the house. Not being much for sleeping after everybody went to bed I spied ART of THE DEAL on the coffee table able picked it up. Something about it was very intriguing. Most likely knowing of Trump, hearing him constantly badmouthed but finding something likable about him myself. I started to read it and finished the whole book before going to sleep. I was really drawn to it and it had made a similar connection to me as his Presidency has. Something honest, fresh and admirable. He's a lot more down to Earth than he appears and very smart and intuitive. That coupled with Billions of dollars and High Level connections makes him just the Bad Ass the White Hats have needed to execute(Hi shootist, double entendre there for ya) their masterful plan of "Draining the Swamp" for us all.
 

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I have to laugh. A Slidefire bumpstock was going for around $100 back a year or two ago. They're selling for anywhere between$300- $500 and up right now on Gunbroker and they all have between 1-46 bids, which means they'll sell for those prices! I'm astounded but now surprised. America is known the world over for their eagerness to price gouge their fellow patriots in times of crisis. It's the American way!! Now where did I put those bump stocks I have laying around???
 

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I have to laugh. A Slidefire bumpstock was going for around $100 back a year or two ago. They're selling for anywhere between$300- $500 and up right now on Gunbroker and they all have between 1-46 bids, which means they'll sell for those prices! I'm astounded but now surprised. America is known the world over for their eagerness to price gouge their fellow patriots in times of crisis. It's the American way!! Now where did I put those bump stocks I have laying around???
Amerikans tend to get worked up rather easily. I recall Iodine selling out and ebay bottles selling for $$$$$ right after the Fookachimichanga stuff.
 

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The president is overstepping his bounds and should be impeached.

Did not stop Obama with DACA. Why should a TRUMP Bump Stock E.O. not work.
 

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Did not stop Obama with DACA. Why should a TRUMP Bump Stock E.O. not work.
Funny how the people calling for Trump's head were silent when Obama was breaking the law. "It's got nothing to do with Obama!" they say! Bullshit! You can't have it both ways. These people are TURDs!

 
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When one circumvents Congress one gets strange bed-fellows. :holding hands: :gracious:
 

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I agree with Gringott:

Since bump stocks are tactically worthless, go ahead and ban them.
 

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I agree with Gringott:

Since bump stocks are tactically worthless, go ahead and ban them.
I wish I'd gotten one of the Gen III binary triggers though. Single shot, Two shot, Safety.

Bumpstocks are a waste of good ammo. IMO
 

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I am inclined to agree. Politics can be like poker. If you get a seven and a three, it's okay to fold. You do NOT have to defend that hand. Just walk away and wait for something you can really use.
The Slidefire site that makes and sells these things is getting hammered. You can't get to it:

www.Slidefire.com

We are currently experiencing extremely high traffic.
Please check back in the next 24-48 Hours.
Thank you for your patience - Slide Fire
 

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I agree with Gringott:

Since bump stocks are tactically worthless, go ahead and ban them.
The problem with that is twofold.

1. Presidents are not allowed to create new laws.

2. He is giving in to the gun-grabber crowd, meaning that he accepts their philosophical premise, which will embolden them.

This is a huge mistake on Trumps part.
 

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The problem with that is twofold.

1. Presidents are not allowed to create new laws.

2. He is giving in to the gun-grabber crowd, meaning that he accepts their philosophical premise, which will embolden them.

This is a huge mistake on Trumps part.
I read the document* and it wasn't an order to create a new law. He explicitly said he wanted the DOJ to investigate banning anything that coverts a gun into a machine gun. The bump fire stock does NOT meet that criteria. It doesn't turn a gun into a machine gun. One trigger pull/one round=semi auto/legal. One trigger pull/two or more rounds=machine gun. The NSA and the ATF are very detailed in describing what a machine gun is. Trump MUST know that. This could be more 4D chess on his part. Don't burn your MAGA hats just yet!

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Trump MUST know that. This could be more 4D chess on his part. Don't burn your MAGA hats just yet!
I sure hope you're right about that. But, I don't think giving an inch to the anti-gun crowd is a good idea. The whole reason Trump won the election is because he didn't give these people any leeway, and called out "fake news". But again, I hope you're right.

P.S. When is The Donald going to call out the Parkland Shooting as the orchestrated psyop that it really is?
 
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I sure hope your right about that. But, I don't think giving an inch to the anti-gun crowd is a good idea. The whole reason Trump won the election is because he didn't give these people any leeway, and called out "fake news". But again, I hope your right.

P.S. When is The Donald going to call out the Parkland Shooting as the orchestrated psyop that it really is?
Read it and judge for yourself!
 

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During Tuesday’s press briefing, the White House said the president opposes the “bump stock” rifle modifier, which make semi-automatic firearms fire faster.

“I can tell you the president supports not having the use of bump stocks and that we expect further action on that in the coming days,” White House Press Secretary Sarah Sanders said Tuesday.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.foxn...n-on-bump-stocks-other-gun-modifiers.amp.html

#MAGA
 

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U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions said on Tuesday the Justice Department will be ready soon to announce a decision on bump stocks, and hinted that the department's lawyers believe the device can be banned through new regulations.

In remarks to state attorneys general from around the country, Sessions said his department's lawyers see a legal path to ban bump stocks, despite prior legal opinions to the contrary by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF).

"We will have an announcement on that soon," he said, in remarks to the National Association of Attorneys General.

"We believe in that, and we have had to deal with previous ATF legal opinions, but our top people in the Department of Justice have believed for some time that we can through regulatory process not allow the bump stock to convert a weapon from a semiautomatic to a fully automatic."

Sessions' remarks came about a week after President Donald Trump pledged in the wake of the mass shooting at Parkland High School in Florida to ban bump stocks, a gun accessory that enables a rifle to shoot hundreds of rounds a minute.

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKCN1GB24W

#MAGA

Our republican president wants to take bump stocks away. Even Obama said they were legal.

What part of shall not be infringed isn’t being understood? This is bull shit legislating from the Oval Office.
 

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Don’t forget Trump is a New Yorker.

People from the cities in NY look at places like Texas and Virginia with their gun laws almost as if they are foreign lands.
 

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Muj and Bigfoot, did you read this?

"Just a few moments ago I signed a memorandum directing the attorney general to propose regulations to ban all devices that turn legal weapons into machine guns," Trump told a White House event.
TRUMP AIN'T BANNING ANYTHING! He can't. He knows this. He is kind of dropping dollars on an angry mob...the mob is suddenly distracted...prestidigitation, a magician's trick. The dems and dims will gobble it up, hook, line and sinker. They will go out of their way to make a BIG mess of it and fail in their all-too-typical lust to be stupid...kind of like in a budget bill. Trump will veto such nonsense. Congress will have mud on it's face and will NOT be able to override the veto. Bump stocks will survive a bit longer.

Who needs a bump stock anyway? They are not really tactically useful. I've had a semi-auto rifle double-tap on me before . It was DEFECTIVE. It was scary. Gun control IS being able to hit your target. Kind of difficult when a firearm sprouts a brain of it's own. Should have named it Christine. When I shoot a firearm I want it totally and fully under my control and operating in the manner it was designed to operate without modifications, devices, accessories and sundry doodads to make it operate otherwise. Machineguns and genuine assault rifles are legal and available IF you are willing to abide by the restrictions on ownership and pay the required taxes and costs of proper feeding and care of such firearms. Probably about as much fun as any grown man should have! The choice to go illegal is NOT one I would advocate even though the required parts and tools to accomplish such things are readily available and relatively easy to do on AK and AR type rifles.

Probably the best tactic is to take deep breath, settle down and ride out this current storm. IF any loss is incurred it will be minimal and your firearms will remain safely in your possession.
 

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our top people in the Department of Justice have believed for some time that we can through regulatory process not allow the bump stock to convert a weapon from a semiautomatic to a fully automatic."
It doesn't! The devil's in the details!
 

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TRUMP AIN'T BANNING ANYTHING! He can't.
The president proposed the regulations in response to the Florida school shooting on Feb. 14 that left 17 people dead.

"Bump stocks are going to be gone," Trump promised on Thursday.

https://www.thehill.com/regulation/administration/377729-justice-department-submits-proposal-to-ban-bump-stocks%3famp

Direct quote from the horses mouth. ^^

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Saturday, March 10, 2018
Department of Justice Submits Notice of Proposed Regulation Banning Bump Stocks
Today the Department of Justice submitted to the Office of Management and Budget a notice of a proposed regulation to clarify that the definition of “machinegun” in the National Firearms Act and Gun Control Act includes bump stock type devices, and that federal law accordingly prohibits the possession, sale, or manufacture of such devices.

"President Trump is absolutely committed to ensuring the safety and security of every American and he has directed us to propose a regulation addressing bump stocks,” said Attorney General Jeff Sessions. “To that end, the Department of Justice has submitted to the Office of Management and Budget a notice of a proposed regulation to clarify that the National Firearms and Gun Control Act defines ‘machinegun’ to include bump stock type devices.”

This submission is a formal requirement of the regulatory review process. Once approved by the Office of Management and Budget, the Department of Justice will seek to publish this notice as expeditiously as possible.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/depa...otice-proposed-regulation-banning-bump-stocks
 

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Political pragmatism. Yeah, he is proposing the banning of bump stocks. So? No guns are being banned. No magazines are being banned. What continues unabated is the loss of business and products from the market by gov decree. This serves as a pointless morsel to idiotic left, a political move to be sure, one the left will trumpet as a victory. This victory will prove to be both pointless and pyrrhic yet in the meantime the dogs of the left will be scurrying about willing to do ANYTHING to gain Trump's favor and maybe get another "treat" thrown their way. Pavlovian idiocy?