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Wanna Here Something Funny? Trump expects Russia to ‘return Crimea'

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Now that is funny folks.
https://www.rt.com/usa/377346-spicer-russia-return-crimea/

Published time: 14 Feb, 2017 18:29Edited time: 14 Feb, 2017 20:39
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U.S. President Donald Trump © Joshua Roberts / Reuters​

US President Donald Trump has been tough on Russia and expects Moscow to “return” the Crimea peninsula to Ukraine, the White House spokesman told reporters.
Addressing the resignation of National Security Adviser Michael Flynn – hounded by the media over his contacts with Russian diplomats prior to Trump’s inauguration – Spicer pointed out that Russia “seized” Crimea under the Obama administration and that the Trump-appointed ambassador to the UN Nikki Haley has “strongly denounced the Russian occupation.”

"President Trump has made it very clear that he expects the Russian government to de-escalate violence in the Ukraine and return Crimea," Spicer said at the daily news briefing on Tuesday. “At the same time, he fully expects to – and wants to – get along with Russia."

“Crimea is a part of Ukraine. Our Crimea-related sanctions will remain in place until Russia returns control of the peninsula to Ukraine,” Haley said at the UN Security Council meeting on February 2.

Russian envoy Vitaly Churkin responded by citing the US Constitution and pointing out that Crimeans overwhelmingly voted to join Russia, after the US-backed coup in February 2014 overthrew the elected government in Kiev.

It is in the national and economic interest of the US to have a good relationship with Russia, Spicer explained, but said that Haley “speaks for the president” on the matter of Crimea.

Flynn’s resignation on Monday followed several weeks of media furor over his telephone conversation with the Russian ambassador to the US in December, after the outgoing Obama administration expelled 35 Russian diplomats and seized two properties. Moscow chose not to respond in kind.

“There is nothing that General Flynn did that was a violation of any sort,” Spicer said, explaining that the adviser was asked to resign because of Trump’s “eroding trust” after Flynn’s accounts of the conversation to administration officials did not square with what was leaked to the media.

Crimea ‘cannot be given back’ to Ukraine – Czech president https://t.co/Be2l1jrAOFpic.twitter.com/tzivssT7JO
— RT (@RT_com) September 9, 2016

Crimea became part of Russia in 1783, but was reassigned to the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic in 1954 by the Soviet Union’s ruling Presidium. Following the 2014 coup, Crimeans overwhelmingly voted to rejoin Russia in a referendum.

Other regions of Ukraine also resisted the new government. Kiev was able to brutally suppress dissent in Odessa and Kharkov, but ran into armed resistance in Donetsk and Lugansk. Efforts to negotiate a peaceful resolution between Kiev and the two breakaway regions, known as the Minsk Accords, make no mention of Crimea.
 

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This is probably just the Administration making comforting noises ?

The Russki's have paid with plenty blood over the years for that ground, and the majority of the population are of Russian heritage. Add in the naval base, and it becomes clear that the Crimea aint going to be returned to the bogus entity that is the Ukraine any time soon.

A far more likely scenario is that the Ukrainians get pissed off enough with the mobsters who are running their country to force them to flee, and discover that their flag waving leaders have looted the place to the last shekel. That in turn will presage the realisation that the Ukraine's best interests are served by aligning with Mother Russia, rather than the EU.

At that point the Crimea ceases to be the poster child for the turnip ghost of 'Russian Aggression' and we all live happily ever after. In the meantime there's no point giving ammunition to world leaders who have not realised that the game is changing, and would be quick to raise the threat to Brotherly love, Unicorns, and Clowns vomiting rainbows if the obvious was stated ?

Then there's the added dimension of the Jewish community in the USA, 99% of whom will be able to trace their ancestry back to what was formerly the Pale of Settlement, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_of_Settlement

Again there's no point in pissing off that group over something that will fix itself given a little time :)
 

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A gentleman I met in the former Soviet Union back in 1981 when Reagan thought it would be a good idea to cross train with Soviet troops. He was born in Atlanta spent 8 years in the Army then joined the German Army. Anyway he was representing Germany and I was TDY from AFSOC to cross train NATO/SOVIET troops. I went on, and he met a woman in Moscow and they moved to Kiev right after the second Russian Chechen War. They moved to Crimea in 2012, and he is in the Russian Army reserves. He's pretty banged up from fighting in a Spetznaz company during the second Chechnya conflict.

He has written two books, one about the second Chechnya war, and the other about how NATO tried to infiltrate Crimea right before the color revolution in Ukraine in 2014. I formatted them for him in order to sell them on Amazon Kindle. They are Historical Fiction, meaning, based on truth but glorified to make a great story. We met up again when he flew into Miami to renew his visa for another 10 years. He keeps me updated about what is reality going on in Eurasia every week. There is so much that we don't know about because we don't care, or it is not reported here.

Yea, I said all that simply to say that there is no way in Hades Crimea is ever going back to the Ukraine. The bridge is almost complete now so life there will improve very much.
 

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I hate to say it, but Drumpf the buffoon comes to mind.
 

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Trump definitely appears to need some more "knowledgeable" advisors.

Crimea is 99% Russian stock - and overwhelmingly voted to RETURN to being a PART of Russia.

I'm surprised/amazed that he hasn't been "briefed" any better...
 

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Well the only thing that comes to mind as to why he would male such a huge change in direction is a direct threat to his family.

You wanted to be president? Well you are and this is how you are going to do it.
 

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Dont assume that this is a change in direction ?

President Trump is taking a deal of heat from the left over being soft on Russia, so it makes sense to spout the usual noises on the subject, whilst in private moving ahead and normalising relations with Russia.

It dont take a big imagination to think what the Democrat warmongers would make of it if the President said anything different from whats in the article. Heaven knows its going to be difficult enough to get to a position where the Russians are not seen as something akin to that which they were in the 50's at the height of the 'Red Scare' ?
 

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This is little more than an opening bid. It's common practice in real estate deals to begin with an absurd opening bid. Gives you plenty of room to maneuver.
 

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What business is this of ours?
Should we give the U.S. back to the Indians ? Someone enlighten me!
 

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When you hear Trump speak (or read his tweets) you must understand that he doesn't necessarily believe what he is saying. He uses communication (or miscommunication) as a tool to achieve his end goal. He is setting expectations and pushing buttons to get reactions. It is a chess game, but the libs think he is playing checkers. His mouthiness is pushing around his opponents so that he can achieve his real goal (not his stated goal).
 

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You may be correct, but Trump has been backing a lot of his words with actions.
He has gotten more done in less than a month than.......................................
 

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Basically, in order for Trump to build the alliances he wants to have, he has to say this. He knows it will never happen, but saying that he wants it to happen is a step toward accomplishing his goals.