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Watch the Marines' F-35 fire an 80-round burst from its gun pod for the first time

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nice grouping, but I would rather have a shotgun style blasting,

when you are speaking to high speed maneuvering, trying to zero in and hit a target spot on like a sniper is just plain silly

looks cool, but not really worth a damn in a air battle

the point is to put lead on target, not misses
even minor hits can become catastrophic
 

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nice grouping, but I would rather have a shotgun style blasting,

when you are speaking to high speed maneuvering, trying to zero in and hit a target spot on like a sniper is just plain silly

looks cool, but not really worth a damn in a air battle

the point is to put lead on target, not misses
even minor hits can become catastrophic
I think that was intended for CAS...kinda stupid to put an F-35 that close to the ground for an AK-47 to take it out....
 

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when you are speaking to high speed maneuvering, trying to zero in and hit a target spot on like a sniper is just plain silly

looks cool, but not really worth a damn in a air battle
It's not for air to air combat. It's for use in close air support.
 

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Guys... jeez.

The gun in that flying brick is supposed to have the tightest pattern possible. Your [apparently desired] "shotgun effect" happens for damn' sure unless the plane is parked.

If the plane is moving in three fargin dimensions at great speed -- with a slight time-delay between each round -- rest assured, one and all: You WILL have a shotgun pattern in the sky. Unless you know how to reverse entropy.

BUT!! Sticking with shotguns as the simile, you want your pattern to get out there with enough tightness to bring down the duck. A sawed-off shotgun won't bring down a thing.

Ask any pilot if he wants his rounds to go where he aims them instead of just the general direction like a shotgun.
 

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Well, yeah. That was the idea: To test (at this level of development) to see if the fargin thing would stay on [YAY!], or rattle a pilot's nuts [BOO!], or whatever.

Test successful.
 

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that is the thing, they aren't aiming anything,
just throwing lead down range
You don't think that could be used during a ground attack? Ie: strafing?
 

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nice grouping, but I would rather have a shotgun style blasting,

when you are speaking to high speed maneuvering, trying to zero in and hit a target spot on like a sniper is just plain silly

looks cool, but not really worth a damn in a air battle

the point is to put lead on target, not misses
even minor hits can become catastrophic
f35 close ground support? so? the flying piano can play a tune for 4 seconds? I'll have to go back and see if that contraption had a tail hook.
 

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The Air Force has been trying to find a way to dump the A-10 for decades because it isn't sexy enough. They have yet to build anything to mimic the Warthog's close ground support performance. I'm pretty sure I've seen something fairly recently about retrofitting new avionics into the best ground support plane in the world. If you told the grunts on the ground that the A-10 was to be phased out they would cry a river of tears.

When I was in the desert, I saw one hobble back and was amazed the thing could fly. Hell of a plane and a hell of a pilot in that instance. The entire tail section was pretty much non existent. Unfortunately that roll of film went missing. It's a crying assed shame too cause that was the roll actually containing war action.
 

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The Air Force has been trying to find a way to dump the A-10 for decades because it isn't sexy enough. They have yet to build anything to mimic the Warthog's close ground support performance. I'm pretty sure I've seen something fairly recently about retrofitting new avionics into the best ground support plane in the world. If you told the grunts on the ground that the A-10 was to be phased out they would cry a river of tears.

When I was in the desert, I saw one hobble back and was amazed the thing could fly. Hell of a plane and a hell of a pilot in that instance. The entire tail section was pretty much non existent. Unfortunately that roll of film went missing. It's a crying assed shame to cause that was the roll that actually had the war action on it.
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The Air Force has been trying to find a way to dump the A-10 for decades because it isn't sexy enough. They have yet to build anything to mimic the Warthog's close ground support performance. I'm pretty sure I've seen something fairly recently about retrofitting new avionics into the best ground support plane in the world. If you told the grunts on the ground that the A-10 was to be phased out they would cry a river of tears.

When I was in the desert, I saw one hobble back and was amazed the thing could fly. Hell of a plane and a hell of a pilot in that instance. The entire tail section was pretty much non existent. Unfortunately that roll of film went missing. It's a crying assed shame too cause that was the roll actually containing war action.

The A-10 is a maintenance nightmare. When I was stationed in Alaska, we were typically 50%-60% FMC with them because they were always breaking down. They're old, maintenance nightmares, but they can take a pounding in a fight for sure.
 

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I doubt you use 35s for strafing,
those things aren't built to go that tight
You may doubt it, but that's one of the things they are in fact wanting to do with it. The marines want to eventually replace their F/A 18's with the F35 and close air support is one of the uses of their F/A 18's



F/A 18 – Hornet: The dual mission of the Fighter/Attack mode the F/A-18 offers is of paramount importance to the missions of the Marine Corps: fighter escort, enemy defenses suppression, air control, reconnaissance, and close air support of Marines on the ground.

F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (Lightning II): The future of Marine Corps fighter/attack missions and will replace the F/A 18 Hornet in the near future.
https://www.thebalancecareers.com/becoming-a-marine-corps-pilot-3354348

The army and the air force want to use it for close air support too.
 

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K, so it has a down draft for the marines, fine. Nothing like a bird that is looking the other way while a cheep rocket goes into the intake to ruin a day.

And, what is one going to accomplish with a burst like that? Now if that rattler could be set for 6 or eight or 10 round bursts with precision laser backscatter targeting then fine. but really "close air support?"
 

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JK, you really think they are going to put these 1/2 a trillion pieces of shit that close to the ground?

seriously?
"I" think the whole thing is a boondoggle. All I was posting is what the military says they want to eventually be able to do with it.
...but I agree that it's a dumb idea.
 

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The A-10's GRU-8 carries 1100 rounds and gets about nine 2 second burst. The cases are aluminum as are the shells. The shells have a depleted uranium penetrator rod in the center. In essence the aluminum shell merely carry's the penetrator to the target. The dense uranium punches through the armor and sprays molten metal through the interior.

know next to nothing about this new gun on the block. Not a fan of spraying depleted uranium all over the place but, if I'm a grunt I want those hogs on my side.
 

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I watched the video, very underwhelming!