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Florida Maquis is former army intelligence trained in nearby Fort Huachuca, AZ

U.S. proxy war in Venezuela...we be goin' after rich oil deposits and gold mines. Sound familiar?

How about a shooting war close to the Panama Canal? And we think the US economy is bad now...


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Vene has been a very bad boy say some,

Stealing foreign corporate assets
billions upon billions for .corps lost in the mismanagement of the economy,
Cozying up to the chins
allowing the russians to operate on their turf

sooner or alter we all knew something would go on down there,
the question only is, what?

the shift in brazil to a less communist regime, and more open to zero and the us, is a game changer for south amerika
 

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If they won't pull a military coup in Venezuela I would back an invasion. If any country needed fixing it's them. Would take the USA less than a week to secure Caracas.
 

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If they won't pull a military coup in Venezuela I would back an invasion.
Why? My take is that any invasion would be for the benefit of the deep state (CIA).
If any country needed fixing it's them.
I agree. Well, there are a lot of countries that are in a bad state. But they have so many potential resources. They could produce so much if only they could stop the thieves from killing the production. They could grow their food. They could own their petroleum industry. But if their government steals the products of the suppliers, nothing can improve. I guess this is evidence that democracy is shit.
 

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Teach Them!

Send a team down to negotiate and we send them some 'experts', real hardworking individuals who will git 'er done
Sell Venezuela their 'sweat equity'
we'd lose a little, they'd gain a lot, etc
Contract expires in ten years, pick a time frame, and the expectations would be that Venezuelans would learn how to control these industries and we all live happily ever after

If Negotiated Properly,
it could provide a Win for everyone
there could even be tax breaks for those who choose to move & work there during their time 'teaching'

But, there has to be honest men to hammer out an honest resolution and expect any of it to actually achieve what it was set out to do



Teaching Bums and Criminals is a waste of time
 

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When they asked for their gold back and London said no that was a huge clue something was going to happen.

No outrage from the rest of the world either. Russia hasn't even stepped in to help as far as I know.
 

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why would we have to attack or invade? Cant we just show up with food instead of guns and killing everyone?
Why show up or attack? Leave them to their own devices. Either they have what it takes to revolt and throw out the commies or they aren't worth feeding anyway.
 

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When they asked for their gold back and London said no that was a huge clue something was going to happen.

No outrage from the rest of the world either. Russia hasn't even stepped in to help as far as I know.
Didn't Russia land a nuke bomber there a few weeks back?
 

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This will get you up to speed:

Venezuela: Maduro, Castro and Putin want Caribbean Crisis 2.0


Russia resumes Tu-160 flights to Venezuela

Pravda: The Free Beacon publication, citing unnamed representatives of the Pentagon, reported that “at least two Tu-160 – (White Swan,” “Blackjack” – according to NATO classification) will fly out of the strategic forces base in Russia to Venezuela to conduct a series of exercises which will also include refueling over long distances. ”

Recall that the practice of flying the Tu-160 to Venezuela was interrupted in 2008 and resumed after the recent visit of President Nicolas Maduro to Russia. Following the meetings with his Venezuelan counterpart, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that “the practice of flights of Russian military aircraft to Venezuela’s airfields will continue, and the ships of the Navy will call at the ports of this country.”

As recalled by Free Beacon, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced in January 2018 that the Ministry of Defense will invest $ 2.8 billion in upgrading the Tu-160 fleet with new engines and advanced avionics.

“Russia used the Tu-160 in Syria to fire long-range cruise missiles. In March, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov announced that the Tu-160 supersonic jet aircraft, the largest combat aircraft in the world, is undergoing major modernization and carries KH cruise missiles -55 with nuclear warheads, as well as conventional KH-555 and KN-101 and cruise missiles, “- writes the portal.

Caribbean Crisis 2.0: Opposition and Americans are sounding the alarm

Venezuela’s opposition movement Grand National Alliance (Gran Alianza Nacional Alternativa, GANA) issued a statement in which it states that Nicolas Maduro, “on the advice of Raul Castro,“ intends ”to cause a conflict similar to the“ missile crisis ”that occurred in Cuba in 1962 “and” led to an agreement between Russia and the United States. ” Maduro allegedly visited Iran for this, met with the Turkish leader Recep Erdogan and the Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

“Nicolas Maduro wants to provoke an international conflict in order to remain in power. These actions are part of a plan developed in Cuba and will be aimed at creating an international conflict with the goal of maintaining Maduro’s power after January 10, 2019 when his term expires.” In exchange, according to GANA, the president of Venezuela “will give Russia, China, Cuba, Iran and other countries control over our national territory.”

Oppositionists hope that the US government and President-elect of Brazil Jair Bolsonaro “will take action to restore democracy in Venezuela.” Note that the West and a number of countries in South America did not recognize the early presidential elections in Venezuela in 2018 and believe that Maduro’s term of office ends in April 2019.

In the United States, too, noticed the nomination of Russian strategic bombers in Venezuela. So Republican Senator Mark Rubio noted that these actions “pose a threat to US national security.” The announcement was made through his Twitter account on Tuesday: “If Madufro invites Russian bombers to Venezuela, and Putin patrols the Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico with them, it will be not only provocative actions from Russia, but also confirmation of the fact that Maduro is a threat to US national security. ”

We need to talk to the United States from a position of strength

But if the Americans are building their military base in Ochakov Ukraine , and constantly patrolling the Black Sea with their aircraft carriers, then why should Russia not respond to the same in the Gulf of Mexico? You must respond to the threat with a threat, otherwise you will not notice how you find yourself without sovereignty. As for the legitimacy of Maduro, it is indisputable, since about six million people voted for him in the last election – 68% of the country’s population. If the Caribbean 2.0 crisis is inevitable, then Moscow, as in 1962, will negotiate with Washington from a position of strength , and this is always good in relations with the United States.

Read on: NATO fighters intercepted the Tu-160: in case of war they would have been shot down

Russian military base in Cuba: how will the US react

Pushkov: the exchange of nuclear strikes in Russia and the United States is possible


Читайте больше на https://www.pravda.ru/world/restofworld/southamerica/10-12-2018/1402357-maduro-0/

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/...o-castro-and-putin-want-caribbean-crisis-2-0/

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“If Madufro invites Russian bombers to Venezuela, and Putin patrols the Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico with them, it will be not only provocative actions from Russia, but also confirmation of the fact that Maduro is a threat to US national security. ”
Maduro is a threat to his own people through starvation if nothing else but to the US? Is he planning an invasion or something? Me thinks Rubio is more of a threat to the US than Maduro.
 

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QUOTE: Is the MSM pushing Venezuela is bad narrative? YES

Maduro is NOT starving his people. US sanctions in cooperation with Columbia's NATO govt. are. Go back and listen to a few of Maqui's videos from last year to understand why.

Maduro/Putin could establish hypersonic missile bases in Venezuela and be a serious threat to strike anywhere on the US mainland.

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201705041053289933-russia-sarmat-us-missile-defense/

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SilverCity

not so sure about that,
certainly appreciate the disdain for US corps operating in Vene,

but let's look at a few things,

the original game was the take over of US oil companies properties and tossing them out without payment,
over the years, more and more US corporate properties were taken over

after some time there were still a few left such as coke, scott, and so on. But, they were getting killed down there with massive losses. Eventually walking away and writing off billions in the process. They either weren't being paid due to the collapse in local currency, or were mandated to provide at x.

this doesn't even speak to the collapse of the oil production in the country due to .gov mismanagement.

and while all of this is going on, they were writing .gov budgets at fantasy levels of $80 and $100 income per barrel of oil, while oil was in the 50's-60's. Then in these budgets, using inaccurate production numbers affecting total income numbers.

I agree the US is neck deep in bs there, but do not agree that their .gov is all about the people.
 

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This will get you up to speed:

Venezuela: Maduro, Castro and Putin want Caribbean Crisis 2.0


Russia resumes Tu-160 flights to Venezuela

Pravda: The Free Beacon publication, citing unnamed representatives of the Pentagon, reported that “at least two Tu-160 – (White Swan,” “Blackjack” – according to NATO classification) will fly out of the strategic forces base in Russia to Venezuela to conduct a series of exercises which will also include refueling over long distances. ”

Recall that the practice of flying the Tu-160 to Venezuela was interrupted in 2008 and resumed after the recent visit of President Nicolas Maduro to Russia. Following the meetings with his Venezuelan counterpart, Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu said that “the practice of flights of Russian military aircraft to Venezuela’s airfields will continue, and the ships of the Navy will call at the ports of this country.”

As recalled by Free Beacon, Russian President Vladimir Putin announced in January 2018 that the Ministry of Defense will invest $ 2.8 billion in upgrading the Tu-160 fleet with new engines and advanced avionics.

“Russia used the Tu-160 in Syria to fire long-range cruise missiles. In March, Russian Deputy Defense Minister Yury Borisov announced that the Tu-160 supersonic jet aircraft, the largest combat aircraft in the world, is undergoing major modernization and carries KH cruise missiles -55 with nuclear warheads, as well as conventional KH-555 and KN-101 and cruise missiles, “- writes the portal.

Caribbean Crisis 2.0: Opposition and Americans are sounding the alarm

Venezuela’s opposition movement Grand National Alliance (Gran Alianza Nacional Alternativa, GANA) issued a statement in which it states that Nicolas Maduro, “on the advice of Raul Castro,“ intends ”to cause a conflict similar to the“ missile crisis ”that occurred in Cuba in 1962 “and” led to an agreement between Russia and the United States. ” Maduro allegedly visited Iran for this, met with the Turkish leader Recep Erdogan and the Russian leader Vladimir Putin.

“Nicolas Maduro wants to provoke an international conflict in order to remain in power. These actions are part of a plan developed in Cuba and will be aimed at creating an international conflict with the goal of maintaining Maduro’s power after January 10, 2019 when his term expires.” In exchange, according to GANA, the president of Venezuela “will give Russia, China, Cuba, Iran and other countries control over our national territory.”

Oppositionists hope that the US government and President-elect of Brazil Jair Bolsonaro “will take action to restore democracy in Venezuela.” Note that the West and a number of countries in South America did not recognize the early presidential elections in Venezuela in 2018 and believe that Maduro’s term of office ends in April 2019.

In the United States, too, noticed the nomination of Russian strategic bombers in Venezuela. So Republican Senator Mark Rubio noted that these actions “pose a threat to US national security.” The announcement was made through his Twitter account on Tuesday: “If Madufro invites Russian bombers to Venezuela, and Putin patrols the Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico with them, it will be not only provocative actions from Russia, but also confirmation of the fact that Maduro is a threat to US national security. ”

We need to talk to the United States from a position of strength

But if the Americans are building their military base in Ochakov Ukraine , and constantly patrolling the Black Sea with their aircraft carriers, then why should Russia not respond to the same in the Gulf of Mexico? You must respond to the threat with a threat, otherwise you will not notice how you find yourself without sovereignty. As for the legitimacy of Maduro, it is indisputable, since about six million people voted for him in the last election – 68% of the country’s population. If the Caribbean 2.0 crisis is inevitable, then Moscow, as in 1962, will negotiate with Washington from a position of strength , and this is always good in relations with the United States.

Read on: NATO fighters intercepted the Tu-160: in case of war they would have been shot down

Russian military base in Cuba: how will the US react

Pushkov: the exchange of nuclear strikes in Russia and the United States is possible


Читайте больше на https://www.pravda.ru/world/restofworld/southamerica/10-12-2018/1402357-maduro-0/

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2018/...o-castro-and-putin-want-caribbean-crisis-2-0/

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Carriers in the Black Sea???
 

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COLOMBIAN STAGED EVENT DESIGNED TO JUSTIFY MILITARY INCURSION INTO VENEZUELA(!)


People are played the evil socialist tune. Right/left paradigm down south is polar opposite to the N. America version.

I ain't listening...


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Why show up or attack? Leave them to their own devices. Either they have what it takes to revolt and throw out the commies or they aren't worth feeding anyway.
When you show up with love, food and medicine you make a lot more friends than when you show up with bombs and guns or don't show up at all.
 

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When you show up with love, food and medicine you make a lot more friends than when you show up with bombs and guns or don't show up at all.
Why is going to Venezuela and making friends at taxpayer expense (or otherwise) an objective? Leave them alone. That's what borders are for.