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Seriously. WTF are people suppose to do. They are hanging by a thread all ready.
I took my "big" motorcycle out, in the spring weather, and thought about it...as I rode out to take care of a few out-in-the-country errands.

I have an RV trailer. Tiny...no bathroom...but it's there. Heated and a comfortable bunk. Paid for.

I was just in Florida a month ago. Inland, it's affordable. Or was, in February. I can get an RV space, by the month, for around $450-$750.

Now, one thing the tiny trailer does NOT have, is air conditioning. Summer isn't the month to move to Florida. But, summers, here, there's plenty of free National Forest campsites.

I guess I get to be elegantly homeless. Winter in Camp Mack, or similar; summers up here, or similar.

I simply cannot afford to throw more than a grand every month, away on rent. Californicators, fleeing the state they pfukked, apparently can; but I cannot.

Trouble is...one of many troubles with this...once I'm out, it's going to be VERY hard with my income, to get approved for another rental in the future. A move like that may seal my future as one of those shelter-and-motel people, for the rest of my life.
 

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we were in Colorado Springs the other day and saw several tents on empty lots

people are living in vehicles , under bridges , wherever they can find shelter

it’s deja vu again


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When I was living in Denver, and in the Springs (long story, but I bounced back and forth) the non-wino homeless, the kids on break from college, and other sentient drifters, tended to hole up in one of the myriad partial or total ghost towns up that way. My "other" (weekend) job was driving for a van-shuttle company, between DIA and Aspen and Vail. The company had been called Vans-To-Vail, but had been purchased by Louisiana investors, who were gonna do it big.

They later sold their failure to Colorado Mountain Express - that's another story. But, we had a lot of young people working with us - I was youngish, too, out of the Navy that year. We had a gas depot at Silver Plume, a ghost town off I-70 near Georgetown. The company had bought the former General Store, and used it as a break location, snack bar and gift shop for passengers, and a gas-up point. The passengers loved it - the staff there dressed up in period costume, and sold sandwiches and trinkets.

Several young women working with us, lived in town, in half-collapsed homes. They'd found the owners and found someone to make them half-liveable.

That was then. Since then, there's the casino-gambling in former mining towns like Cripple Creek and Black Hawk; and the general growth as California has burped out its problem people who've made their problems, Colorado's problems.

But back then, 27 years ago, homeless camps in the Springs would have been unthinkable.
 

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I took my "big" motorcycle out, in the spring weather, and thought about it...as I rode out to take care of a few out-in-the-country errands.

I have an RV trailer. Tiny...no bathroom...but it's there. Heated and a comfortable bunk. Paid for.

I was just in Florida a month ago. Inland, it's affordable. Or was, in February. I can get an RV space, by the month, for around $450-$750.

Now, one thing the tiny trailer does NOT have, is air conditioning. Summer isn't the month to move to Florida. But, summers, here, there's plenty of free National Forest campsites.

I guess I get to be elegantly homeless. Winter in Camp Mack, or similar; summers up here, or similar.

I simply cannot afford to throw more than a grand every month, away on rent. Californicators, fleeing the state they pfukked, apparently can; but I cannot.

Trouble is...one of many troubles with this...once I'm out, it's going to be VERY hard with my income, to get approved for another rental in the future. A move like that may seal my future as one of those shelter-and-motel people, for the rest of my life.
you need to hit youtube. People are turning older RVs into lovely permanent homes and are so helpful with advice. A lot of people are going that route. I would totally consider it. In fact I have if the need to get mobil arises. There are good deals on older and larger RVs big enough to live in. Hopefully you can do some of the work. What going on is insanity. Millions are going to be homeless with rent increases like that. I think we will have to be adaptable and creative to survive.
 

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We may not have enough food soon = they didnt blatantly steal those elections for nothing​

the communists have BIG plans/aspirations
 

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Always the positive one you are! I hope to God you're right and I've been wrong. If it's going to start it had better start soon. We don't seem to have much time left

Back to the food thing...

My wife made me pinky swear to not buy any more long term storage type food. She supports the premise of prepping but she views my idea of prepped as....shall we say, a bit over zealous?

Of course, anyone taller than a cricket's kneecap knows that a pinky swear is the holiest of hollies when it comes to keeping a promise. You don't EVA go back on a pinky swear.

Saddled with my new constraint I went out and dropped 'a hundy' on some meat which I just finished sealing and tossing in the freezer. We should be good tin the meat department for at least 6 months.

Note: Fresh meat and ammo were verbally agreed upon as being exempt from the pinky swear. :oriental:

we were in Colorado Springs the other day and saw several tents on empty lots

people are living in vehicles , under bridges , wherever they can find shelter

it’s deja vu again


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We just emptied ours of our "stash" & took it to the build site.

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you need to hit youtube. People are turning older RVs into lovely permanent homes and are so helpful with advice. A lot of people are going that route. I would totally consider it. In fact I have if the need to get mobil arises. There are good deals on older and larger RVs big enough to live in. Hopefully you can do some of the work. What going on is insanity. Millions are going to be homeless with rent increases like that. I think we will have to be adaptable and creative to survive.
Avalon, don't believe all that you hear. Including me. BUT I am here to tell ya, living in ANY RV DOES NOT compare to a real home.
We will be so damned glad when we get into our home. It's been 18 months in this crowded POS !!!!
Yes, we are spoiled, but at my age, what's left ??? :ponder::don't    know2: :finished::dduck::dduck::dduck:
 

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Avalon, don't believe all that you hear. Including me. BUT I am here to tell ya, living in ANY RV DOES NOT compare to a real home.
We will be so damned glad when we get into our home. It's been 18 months in this crowded POS !!!!
Yes, we are spoiled, but at my age, what's left ??? :ponder::don't    know2: :finished::dduck::dduck::dduck:
yeah but it beats living in a hotel or under a bridge. Seriously Taez, WTF are people supposed to do? I have coworkers from the hospital working two jobs who can not afford their new rent increases because its happened here too. What are the options? Doubling up with roomates. living with family or finding a creative solution that keeps you off the street. I know RV living is not perfect but people really are helping others understand modifications that can make them better. With rent increases that Casey is enduring happening all over the US our homeless population is going to explode. How people do not see this is by design is beyond me. :(
 

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I've been thinkin of buying a used short bus ( like the one I rode to school in) and converting it into a RV.

My thoughts are to have a backup plan if I have to sell the house if I can no longer afford my property tax.

If for some reason that day never comes I can use it for weeked trips or sell it.
 

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I've been thinkin of buying a used short bus ( like the one I rode to school in) and converting it into a RV.

My thoughts are to have a backup plan if I have to sell the house if I can no longer afford my property tax.

If for some reason that day never comes I can use it for weeked trips or sell it.
youtube has some amazing bus conversions. For me it would be too much work because you really have to build the inside instead of modify but people with skills are doing livable buses. I have also seen a lot of box truck conversions. That had the added advantage that you can do a sleeping loft if its high enough. Also they are more stealthy as they can look like work trucks. Some of the conversions are totally off grid although solar is not cheap.


 

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My thoughts are to have a backup plan if I have to sell the house if I can no longer afford my property tax.
That is an immoral reality. Property tax is the most immoral of all the taxes. :Grrr::Grrr::Grrr:
 

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Seriously Taez, WTF are people supposed to do?
I am not trying to be insensitive, but most people do not live within their means. They seem to think they are entitled to splurge their earnings instead of being responsible.
We have what we have, because we don't try to "keep up with the Jones's". I drive a 15 year old truck, we shop at Michael's for clothes & we shop for food by what is on sale.
I have a family member that wears $200 boots and would cry to mom for $$$$. That seems to be a normal life style in today's world.

If ya can't live on what you earn, get a better job ! That's how I did it & I am nobody special.
 

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I am not trying to be insensitive, but most people do not live within their means. They seem to think they are entitled to splurge their earnings instead of being responsible.
We have what we have, because we don't try to "keep up with the Jones's". I drive a 15 year old truck, we shop at Michael's for clothes & we shop for food by what is on sale.
I have a family member that wears $200 boots and would cry to mom for $$$$. That seems to be a normal life style in today's world.

If ya can't live on what you earn, get a better job ! That's how I did it & I am nobody special.
I don't think you are insensitive. I think like many of us older people we have had a chnce to accumulate a little and it gives you a different perspective of how hard it is now a days.. I totally agree on people living above their means. Still the reality of todays world is try living on a job that pays 20 dollars an hour when your rent is 1,4000 dollars a month. Its not possible. We are living in serious stagflation.
 

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It's finally getting to be up-close-and-personal.

I got the word on what my new rent is going to be. $1200, give or take a few bucks.

I still have two months on the present lease, but that's the proposal. Right now it's $850.

The new rate is over 45 percent of my income.

I'm not going to be eating a lot of steak this year.

Yes, I have stacks - plenty - but they're not to be squandered lightly. Other options are to be explored, first.
I know of a lot of people in your situation. Most of them were always touting the disadvantages of home ownership.....RIP

Edit to add(kind of makes my point):

Not trying to beat you while you're down. But I thought I remembered reading some of your posts that lean in that direction.

http://www.goldismoney2.com/threads/when-will-the-housing-bubble-bust.538239/post-2409758
 
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I don't think you are insensitive. I think like many of us older people we have had a chnce to accumulate a little and it gives you a different perspective of how hard it is now a days.. I totally agree on people living above their means. Still the reality of todays world is try living on a job that pays 20 dollars an hour when your rent is 1,4000 dollars a month. Its not possible. We are living in serious stagflation.
I have a guy next to us in the RV park, from Louisiana. He is making $56/hr on a clean-up crew.
He is chasing the $$$$. His wife comes to visit every 6 weeks.

The leadman on building our home just came back from a 2 year run, working on cell towers for big bucks. Now he has enough $$$ to afford to buy a home, here at home.

My son had everything taken from him by the fed's & went to prison for 3 years. The great crime was selling pot. He could not get a decent job. He started his own business & is doing QUITE well.

You do what you have to do.
We are all where we want to be, in life, plus or minus a little bit. When it get's to where we don't like where we are, we will change it ourselves.
I guess the will to do better has been edjookated out of us by the skols.
 

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If this is true, dire food shortages will occur in Asia and Africa. Blame sociological issues more than productivity issues. Asia and Africa have always been food problematic. (I am being nice in my phraseology)

Of the first world countries, Europe will bear the brunt of shortages that will remind them of post WWII. It will be very painful for them with spot starvation in some places. Expect the EU zone to Balkanize.

Here in the US and Canada you will see luxury staples disappear (exotic fruits and vegetables, organic this and that) off of shelves in favor of mundane foods but the US will not starve unlike the rest of the world. We have always been a food surplus nation. You may not like what is on your plate but it will be edible.

Much South America will be like their North American cousins but expect food shortage inspired strife caused more by underlying political problems.
 

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They make it sound like we will be down to turnips and beans.
 

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I know of a lot of people in your situation. Most of them were always touting the disadvantages of home ownership.....RIP

Edit to add(kind of makes my point):

Not trying to beat you while you're down. But I thought I remembered reading some of your posts that lean in that direction.

http://www.goldismoney2.com/threads/when-will-the-housing-bubble-bust.538239/post-2409758
And, where would I be if I'd bought, say, in the Detroit area? Or a dozen other areas with falling prices and fleeing populations?

For that matter, where SHOULD I have bought? I left my long-term railroad job in 2008 - after enduring six years of post-merger hell on the job. I had another job lined up, in Wisconsin...but then, the bottom dropped out of the economy. I was moved from Stevens Point, Wisconsin, to St. Ignace, Michigan, to Saulte Ste. Marie, Michigan, to Escanaba, Michigan. This in the space of 18 months.

When the call came, ordering me to Chicago, I quit, there on the phone. Then, a job in Huron, South Dakota. I sure wasn't going to buy, there. Then, Eau Claire, Wisconsin. Twelve-hour days, two days a month, off. If I WANTED to buy, I didn't have the TIME. Two years of that showed that the workload would never lighten, and I left it. Off to Montana. Where, in all of this, should I have bought?

My corner of Montana has changed - drastically, in eight years' time. It's time for me to pick up and move, I think.

It's a lot of work, in the mechanics - but I do NOT have to worry about selling, banking, tax liability, realtor's fees, etc.

Also: You, hypothetical, Everyman...you own a home. What happens if/when the tax man comes and whacks you? Or, if you were unwise enough to get an ARM, your rates lift off? You're suddenly house-poor.

A home anchors you, and this is a time when we all need to gird our loins and be ready with the bug-out bag.
 

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I have a guy next to us in the RV park, from Louisiana. He is making $56/hr on a clean-up crew.
He is chasing the $$$$. His wife comes to visit every 6 weeks.

The leadman on building our home just came back from a 2 year run, working on cell towers for big bucks. Now he has enough $$$ to afford to buy a home, here at home.

My son had everything taken from him by the fed's & went to prison for 3 years. The great crime was selling pot. He could not get a decent job. He started his own business & is doing QUITE well.

You do what you have to do.
We are all where we want to be, in life, plus or minus a little bit. When it get's to where we don't like where we are, we will change it ourselves.
I guess the will to do better has been edjookated out of us by the skols.
I would have lost my mind if they did the courts did that to my kid for a pot charge. You have been through some stuff Taez. :(
 

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And, where would I be if I'd bought, say, in the Detroit area? Or a dozen other areas with falling prices and fleeing populations?

For that matter, where SHOULD I have bought? I left my long-term railroad job in 2008 - after enduring six years of post-merger hell on the job. I had another job lined up, in Wisconsin...but then, the bottom dropped out of the economy. I was moved from Stevens Point, Wisconsin, to St. Ignace, Michigan, to Saulte Ste. Marie, Michigan, to Escanaba, Michigan. This in the space of 18 months.

When the call came, ordering me to Chicago, I quit, there on the phone. Then, a job in Huron, South Dakota. I sure wasn't going to buy, there. Then, Eau Claire, Wisconsin. Twelve-hour days, two days a month, off. If I WANTED to buy, I didn't have the TIME. Two years of that showed that the workload would never lighten, and I left it. Off to Montana. Where, in all of this, should I have bought?

My corner of Montana has changed - drastically, in eight years' time. It's time for me to pick up and move, I think.

It's a lot of work, in the mechanics - but I do NOT have to worry about selling, banking, tax liability, realtor's fees, etc.

Also: You, hypothetical, Everyman...you own a home. What happens if/when the tax man comes and whacks you? Or, if you were unwise enough to get an ARM, your rates lift off? You're suddenly house-poor.

A home anchors you, and this is a time when we all need to gird our loins and be ready with the bug-out bag.
I do not feel particularly safe in my home ownership. If Klaus says we will own nothing and like it I believe him. The intention is clear that none of us will own anything if the deep state has its way. We may be just buying time. Think out of the box Casey and you will be lead to the right place at the right time
 

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Here in the US and Canada you will see luxury staples disappear (exotic fruits and vegetables, organic this and that) off of shelves in favor of mundane foods but the US will not starve unlike the rest of the world. We have always been a food surplus nation. You may not like what is on your plate but it will be edible.
I have a hard time believing there will be no shortages of basics in the US with the current administration pulling the strings.
 

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I do not feel particularly safe in my home ownership. If Klaus says we will own nothing and like it I believe him. The intention is clear that none of us will own anything if the deep state has its way. We may be just buying time. Think out of the box Casey and you will be lead to the right place at the right time
What method could they use to take homes away from people? I can't think of any.
 

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What method could they use to take homes away from people? I can't think of any.
I can think of several ways. Land and hom taxation, carbon taxes or force. I didn't say it wouldn't be bloody. I recently watched the movie Dr Zhivago. The Russians did a very nice job of separating people from their possessions and their homes when the communist took over.
 

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I can think of several ways. Land and hom taxation, carbon taxes or force. I didn't say it wouldn't be bloody. I recently watched the movie Dr Zhivago. The Russians did a very nice job of separating people from their possessions and their homes when the communist took over.
I'll have to find that movie.
 

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I'll have to find that movie.
Amazon prime has it. Anyone who thinks they want either communism or SHTF needs to watch that movie. War and communist take over are both devastating. By the end of the war no one even knew what they were fighting for.
 

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I have a hard time believing there will be no shortages of basics in the US with the current administration pulling the strings.

Any shortages in the US would indeed be there result of intentional political monkey wrenching. That said even with reduced harvests because of fertilizer and pesticide shortages the US would still produce more food than it needs.

The most vulnerable portion of our food system is the distribution of said foodstuffs.
 

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I recently watched the movie Dr Zhivago. The Russians did a very nice job of separating people from their possessions and their homes when the communist took over.
Yes. I liked the movie very much, but I did not like the division of love between his wife and his mistress. If you read the novel, be prepared to find the Dr. completely repulsive. Enjoy the movie, but skip the novel unless you are into bad people.
 

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I do not feel particularly safe in my home ownership. If Klaus says we will own nothing and like it I believe him. The intention is clear that none of us will own anything if the deep state has its way. We may be just buying time. Think out of the box Casey and you will be lead to the right place at the right time
I think you're right. I hadn't even got into that...but, the reality is, the legal framework that recognizes real-property ownership, is itself under attack from the Left.

When you own land, you essentially rent it from the government, for tribute (property taxes). You own it at their pleasure; and if they decide otherwise, it's Eminent-Domain time.

I was just on the Liste of Craig. Not far from me there's a fifth-wheel RV for sale...a 1985, in a barn. Seems well-preserved. Light and short, 26 feet - and $5000.

I have to think about that one, overnight.

However...nomading, ain't what it used to be. Here at Wally World, and other places locally, there's new signs up: **NO OVERNIGHT PARKING**. A new era.

There's always the California desert, 800 miles away.
 

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I think you're right. I hadn't even got into that...but, the reality is, the legal framework that recognizes real-property ownership, is itself under attack from the Left.

When you own land, you essentially rent it from the government, for tribute (property taxes). You own it at their pleasure; and if they decide otherwise, it's Eminent-Domain time.

I was just on the Liste of Craig. Not far from me there's a fifth-wheel RV for sale...a 1985, in a barn. Seems well-preserved. Light and short, 26 feet - and $5000.

I have to think about that one, overnight.

However...nomading, ain't what it used to be. Here at Wally World, and other places locally, there's new signs up: **NO OVERNIGHT PARKING**. A new era.

There's always the California desert, 800 miles away.
Exactly - they'll have their bought and paid for politicians enact laws either seizing property outright or putting X number of people into your house WITH you in the name of "equity". Of course, they may simply raise taxes to a point where nobody can afford them (except for the exempted people/organizations carefully selected by party loyalty).
 

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I can think of several ways. Land and hom taxation, carbon taxes or force. I didn't say it wouldn't be bloody. I recently watched the movie Dr Zhivago. The Russians did a very nice job of separating people from their possessions and their homes when the communist took over.


Do I see ANOTHER FIRE in my future ? :make happy::make happy:
 

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New Bidenvilles, Leftist-villes, Global Villas, the names write themselves.
Don't kid yourself. We're in the midst of Mass Formation Psychosis, with the nooze-liars repeating the lie, again and again.

It's all Trump's fault. Trump and the White Supremecists.
 

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The Civic Center Park that is in front of the Colorado State Capitol and other government buildings has been closed for a while. Big fences surround it now. Politicians & Government workers don’t like seeing the results of their policies. There was a lot of homeless in the park before.
Good grief.

I was first in Denver in 1989. After having lived all my adult life in Cleveland and Akron (and some New York small towns)...what hit me was how OPEN, and really, safe-feeling, was Denver. I had been traveling from the Grand Canyon and Las Vegas to Ohio in my Yugo (don't laugh; I was young and dumb) and the thing blew up in Grand Junction. I buried it there.

I rented a car (it was cheap, back then) and drove in to Denver with my crap, with the intention of taking Amtrak the rest of the way. Had to mail all my gear (camping and photography) since it was too much to take on the train. And yes, I hate flying.

So. Train was leaving late in the evening. I had to drop off the rental before close of business...leaving me with five hours to kill. I went for a long walk, past the not-yet-opened Coors Field, up the steps of the Capitol, along Colfax...and then down to LoDo to the former Union Station.

Never felt the vibes I'd feel in Cleveland or Buffalo or Akron. What a wonderful place.

And it was - then. Still had some of that, six years later when I moved there. But no more.
 

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Not the best way to raise children. But, it could happen. Modern day Gypsies.
Remember the television shows of 50, 60 years ago? All in the Family. Archie worked on a fer-chrissake LOADING DOCK - and owned his own home.

The Honeymooners. Ralph Kramden drove a bus - he supposedly lived in a Brooklyn apartment, but not one where 'groids were urinating in elevators. It was a decent place.

That was life, then. Now, with us trying to house every Bedouin and African who swears to Vote Democrat...there ain't the room, desire, or discipline for that kind of lifestyle for people like myself.
 

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Tax assessments are different depending on what state you live in. Ct and RI are every 10 years. Oh is every 6 years so it taxes time to tax someone out of their home via property taxes in those states. Other states are every year or so.

 

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yeah but it beats living in a hotel or under a bridge. Seriously Taez, WTF are people supposed to do? I have coworkers from the hospital working two jobs who can not afford their new rent increases because its happened here too. What are the options? Doubling up with roomates. living with family or finding a creative solution that keeps you off the street. I know RV living is not perfect but people really are helping others understand modifications that can make them better. With rent increases that Casey is enduring happening all over the US our homeless population is going to explode. How people do not see this is by design is beyond me. :(


I think there will be a return to multi-generational hoseholds. Back to our roots.
 

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And, where would I be if I'd bought, say, in the Detroit area? Or a dozen other areas with falling prices and fleeing populations?

For that matter, where SHOULD I have bought? I left my long-term railroad job in 2008 - after enduring six years of post-merger hell on the job. I had another job lined up, in Wisconsin...but then, the bottom dropped out of the economy. I was moved from Stevens Point, Wisconsin, to St. Ignace, Michigan, to Saulte Ste. Marie, Michigan, to Escanaba, Michigan. This in the space of 18 months.

When the call came, ordering me to Chicago, I quit, there on the phone. Then, a job in Huron, South Dakota. I sure wasn't going to buy, there. Then, Eau Claire, Wisconsin. Twelve-hour days, two days a month, off. If I WANTED to buy, I didn't have the TIME. Two years of that showed that the workload would never lighten, and I left it. Off to Montana. Where, in all of this, should I have bought?

My corner of Montana has changed - drastically, in eight years' time. It's time for me to pick up and move, I think.

It's a lot of work, in the mechanics - but I do NOT have to worry about selling, banking, tax liability, realtor's fees, etc.

Also: You, hypothetical, Everyman...you own a home. What happens if/when the tax man comes and whacks you? Or, if you were unwise enough to get an ARM, your rates lift off? You're suddenly house-poor.

A home anchors you, and this is a time when we all need to gird our loins and be ready with the bug-out bag.

Say what you will. Had you made owning a shelter a priority in your life you wouldn't be thinking about living in a van, camper, or whatever. Maybe your choices were right for you. But here you go again preaching the negatives about owning a home. That was my original point. Every single person I know in your unfortunate situation says the same exact thing.
 

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Okay.

Home, no job.

Ya know...I worked with a couple of older guys like that. One, Ralph the Rat (a snitch) was age 70 - old enough to retire from the railroad, and then some - but didn't.

Because he had no life.

Because he had lived the WHOLE of his life, in one house. His mother's house. She was still alive, and he still lived with her.

He had never been out of Cuyahoga County, Ohio, except for his work on the railroad, taking him into Franklin County or Ashtabula County. Never traveled. Never had a wife - or even a date. I don't know if he ever got a bar girl.

So...if I'd tied myself down to material things like a specific home, hold it, even if the job goes...I'd be nearly as pathetic.

As it is, I've seen 40 states, many by motorcycle...worked in about 10 of them...and when the Boss-Man started flexing his muscles, I just said, C-Ya!

Now I'm looking at some harder times. They may be a long time, or not-so-long (the Great Die-Off). But I'm a long way from destitution.

And anyway...I did the homeowner thingy, twice. Erie County, outside Buffalo, and Cleveland's suburban West Side. BOTH those houses haven't kept up. I sold the NY house for what I paid for it, five years later. I think the Cleveland house has a market estimated value (Zillow) a little more than what I sold it for in 2009. Not keeping up even with planned inflation...because, Cleveland.

Had I kept the house, I'd have had no job that paid enough to pay the taxes. Had I rented it out...that doesn't work when you're 2000 miles away and working 300 hours a month.

I can see organizing one's life around his work, or his family, or his interests. Not around peripheral artifacts.
 

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Okay.

Home, no job.

Ya know...I worked with a couple of older guys like that. One, Ralph the Rat (a snitch) was age 70 - old enough to retire from the railroad, and then some - but didn't.

Because he had no life.

Because he had lived the WHOLE of his life, in one house. His mother's house. She was still alive, and he still lived with her.

He had never been out of Cuyahoga County, Ohio, except for his work on the railroad, taking him into Franklin County or Ashtabula County. Never traveled. Never had a wife - or even a date. I don't know if he ever got a bar girl.

So...if I'd tied myself down to material things like a specific home, hold it, even if the job goes...I'd be nearly as pathetic.

As it is, I've seen 40 states, many by motorcycle...worked in about 10 of them...and when the Boss-Man started flexing his muscles, I just said, C-Ya!

Now I'm looking at some harder times. They may be a long time, or not-so-long (the Great Die-Off). But I'm a long way from destitution.

And anyway...I did the homeowner thingy, twice. Erie County, outside Buffalo, and Cleveland's suburban West Side. BOTH those houses haven't kept up. I sold the NY house for what I paid for it, five years later. I think the Cleveland house has a market estimated value (Zillow) a little more than what I sold it for in 2009. Not keeping up even with planned inflation...because, Cleveland.

Had I kept the house, I'd have had no job that paid enough to pay the taxes. Had I rented it out...that doesn't work when you're 2000 miles away and working 300 hours a month.

I can see organizing one's life around his work, or his family, or his interests. Not around peripheral artifacts.

Look,,, I'm not the one shitting on the hobo lifestyle. Whatever works for the individual.

I wish you luck.

I guess when my home is taken because I was priced out by the government or whatever malady I suffer as a result, then I will come and preach the negatives of home ownership to whoever will listen with you too.

Until then, I have nothing to say about anyone choosing a mobile lifestyle. Until they start whining and complaining about the consequence of their choices.