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What happened to M--- agenda?

Will the MAGA agenda return to top concern?

  • No, it is a concern, but it won't be the top concern going forward.

    Votes: 3 27.3%
  • Yes, our leaders start up the MAGA talk again soon, but it will be just talk. MAGA won't happen.

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Yes, they return to MAGA agenda soon & lower and middle class workers become prosperous pretty soon.

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • No, MAGA will be shuffled to the back now because it' not in their real agenda, nor was it ever.

    Votes: 6 54.5%

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POTUS was elected because of M---
 
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FM, you are missing the point. The opposition to Trump, the deep state, is slowing him down. Trump already has created more jobs than the halfrican & the bush dynasty together. He put N. Korea in their place, he is working on getting out of the UN & has revamped NAFTA to where we are not such a loser on that "deal". That is the SHORT list.
Trump is not perfect, nether was Reagan, but both are better than anyone in my adult lifetime.
Would you rather of had the bitch or the bern?
 

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It's not rocket science. Cut taxes and you create jobs. Raise taxes and give shit away and you create the free shit army that votes for your party every time.
North korea is easy, they been wanting to come to the table forever. I'm actually surprised the MIC let Trump deal with Kim but the deals not done yet. If he gets it done it's a feather in his cap for sure. Be nice to see the Koreas be united again.

If and when the3 dems get control again they will undo everything he has done in less than a month. All that money that nato is dumping in now, will that reduce our military spending budget? No way in hell, they will just spend more. Its like a windfall for the MIC.

He is trying to stop the flow of illegal voters but he's not getting rid of the ones that Obama and Hillary brought in illegally. They load up major districts with refugees and then within a short time those districts become democrat and are already getting elected to congress to try and take even more for themselves.
I could go on and on but the dems implemented a long term plan and have played the game brilliantly. The GOP doesn't have a clue whats going on or they don't care. Does anyone in DC care about the people that they steal from or elect them?

There shouldn't even be taxes if the IRS codes were followed as written. The courts are so corrupt that they keep the game going for the Gov though and we are forked and forced to pay tribute as if we are slaves. If we didn't pay taxes then the gov would have no control of the economy, there would be no MIC, no endless wars, no welfare or socialist agendas being shoved down our throats. Our children would get a real education, healthcare would be affordable would college. The private sector would be thriving and gov just scraping by. The middle class would be strong and growing and the engine that drives this economy.

You want MGA, get rid of the IRS and the fed. The IRS is actually ok, just the fed needs to go and the tax laws followed as written. Why does the first letter of the IRS stand for INTERNAL?
 

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It's not rocket science. Cut taxes and you create jobs. Raise taxes and give shit away and you create the free shit army that votes for your party every time.
North korea is easy, they been wanting to come to the table forever. I'm actually surprised the MIC let Trump deal with Kim but the deals not done yet. If he gets it done it's a feather in his cap for sure. Be nice to see the Koreas be united again.

If and when the3 dems get control again they will undo everything he has done in less than a month. All that money that nato is dumping in now, will that reduce our military spending budget? No way in hell, they will just spend more. Its like a windfall for the MIC.

He is trying to stop the flow of illegal voters but he's not getting rid of the ones that Obama and Hillary brought in illegally. They load up major districts with refugees and then within a short time those districts become democrat and are already getting elected to congress to try and take even more for themselves.
I could go on and on but the dems implemented a long term plan and have played the game brilliantly. The GOP doesn't have a clue whats going on or they don't care. Does anyone in DC care about the people that they steal from or elect them?

There shouldn't even be taxes if the IRS codes were followed as written. The courts are so corrupt that they keep the game going for the Gov though and we are forked and forced to pay tribute as if we are slaves. If we didn't pay taxes then the gov would have no control of the economy, there would be no MIC, no endless wars, no welfare or socialist agendas being shoved down our throats. Our children would get a real education, healthcare would be affordable would college. The private sector would be thriving and gov just scraping by. The middle class would be strong and growing and the engine that drives this economy.

You want MGA, get rid of the IRS and the fed. The IRS is actually ok, just the fed needs to go and the tax laws followed as written. Why does the first letter of the IRS stand for INTERNAL?

Don't kid yourself...the GOP knows exactly what's going on. They had Congress a number of times and nothing was done...even with a GOP POTUS. They're in on the scam....that's why we need to change Congress.
 

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Feels like an election campaign is underway.
 

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Nope, it's been like this since the early days of GIM1. It's just that we gave DJT a year or so breathing room to actually do something that could work instead of just thinking he knows what to do.
You are dealing with an entrenched bureaucratic bloc, rectifying that will take a lot of time unless you literally go the revolution route. I think you are just unrealistic about what can be achieved by legitimate mainstream means when the bureaucrats run most everything. You'd have done no better staying inside the law, this is a big ask and it is possible that it can't be done without some radical action of some sort.
 

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If you take the job as POTUS, you should be prepared to sacrifice everything for your nation. The original ones were willing to do just that.

Telling the truth to the American people and getting on with MAGA by working for the American people is what he said and was his campaign pledge.

He's going to turn out to be a nothing burger, not as detrimental as Obummer or Bush, but in line with the status quo destruction of our nation and a serial liar. Time is running out, he had plenty of chances to do this when the Repukes had control over both houses of congress. There's actually still time, but this whole "fear Iran" thing is an obvious distraction from MAGA.
Like you say he didn't get anything done while repubs held both congresses so I don't understand how anyone can have hope for him at this point.

McDonalds is hiring though so clearly the economy is in great shape.

I was a big supporter of Ron Paul and reasonably optimistic for Trump but at this point I see shit isn't ever going to be changed in the current system. Even Ron Paul knew back in the day that they would never let him win I think, and that's why he always talking more about ideas than winning the election.
 

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I guess you didn't follow my posts during the Obummer days.

I read your posts, and I stand by my point. This isn't about politics, that got thrown out the window when JFK was shot, although there have been some moments of hope (RFK, RP, Reagan first few months, DJT 2016-early 17).

The pol tics related comments are only inserted as part of the de-brainwashing stage. Revo doesn't happen at this point in time. Only the truth (requiring a debrainwashing of the lies first) provides hope now.
I'm just telling what it looks like now. Maybe switch out your style to get your message across more effectively.

No, I haven't followed your posting for a very long time. Not since those insane character-based attacks every time I said that gold might go lower in price. You know, Ax and the tribe.

If you expect fast change you are going to have to mount a political coup. Good luck with that given the size of your armed forces.
 
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I never once attacked you in the past about your opinions on the POG. Don't allude to things that didn't happen. Somehow I had a feeling you would try and trash up this thread. It's fine, I can easily just start a better one.
Oh yeah you did. You were a part of the gang. I'm not alluding, I'm stating.


After attacking me on two threads about the big advantage the Chinese hold by using a peg, I even had to start a 3rd thread and bring in our POTUS to help me with economic points.
Attack? It's called debate, you don't seem to get that. Reason and evidence OVER emotional diatribe.

I can easily just start a better one.
 

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Obviously Trump is better than another Clinton or some other underling PTB suck up at the top of the DImwit's party.
thanks for finally admitting that with Trump, we got the best result we could have hoped for in the '16 election.


he had plenty of chances to do this when the Repukes had control over both houses of congress.
when was that? I'd contend that he's never had control of congress. Or are you actually counting RINO's as republicans? Lol
 

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FM...

I pride myself on my capacity to give others a tremendous amount of slack...to express themselves without my taking offense to their protestations...

But I gotta tell ya...you are really starting to get on my nerves. I try real hard to not hold ill will towards anyone...and anyone that has been a follower of my posts over the years can attest to this...but - you are really trying my patience.

You dont like Trump. Fine. Thats your God given right. And I remind myself of that everytime I come across your posts...

What irritates me is your inability to process factual data that stands in stark contrast to your inane ramblings about how Trump is bad...

You like to present yourself as this learned person...who studies different subjects and wants to communicate your knowledge with the rest of us...

And yet - you are obtuse when it comes to anything that is "pro-Trump". Absolutely obtuse. If there was a picture of Trump Derangement Syndrome - you would be a poster child.

Bluntly...I have 2 natures that live within me. There is my "natural" man...which strongly wants to tell you to go fuck yourself...and then there is the spiritual nature that wants to pray for you...

And there is quite the conflict going on...

And I dont like that....

And I get it...thats my problem....not yours. You are just being you.

I just wish you were not so blind to what is blatantly obvious to so many others...that there really is a "deep state" and they are in an existential battle with Trump for their very survival...and you are an unwittiing pawn in their machinations...

And saddest of all...you dont possess the ability to recognize that which is staring you in the face...
 

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Even if you don't like Trump at all, you should be honest and admit that compared to the choices in 2016 and the apparent choices in the upcoming 2020 election, he's the only viable option (unless you are insane like the Marxist liberals).

That is, unless you want open borders, 70% tax rates, single payer medical, the new green deal, de facto criminalization of white people, confiscation of wealth, expanded welfare programs, de-criminalization of pedophelia, etc. Anyone who doesn't want to vote for Trump is, by default, voting for all of the above.

Edit: I forgot repeal of the 2A via Executive order...
 

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FM, here's a new and perhaps more accurate way for you to think about DJT...Trump! A Dick, but NOT a Dictator!
I say this because as Joe King alluded to, Trump NEVER had control of congress. Republicans, much like democrats, are NOT unified. They do not in any way represent a united voting block. Any facade of "bipartisanship" only means that ALL THEIR pockets get fuller and we, the people get pimped yet again.

Draining the swamp means getting rid of all those individuals and factions throughout ALL of government...including congress, the courts, ALL the offices/bureaus/agencies and pentagon. LOTS of rotten, stinky crud there. It's going to take time and many, many battles before this war is won. Few are going to roll over or fall down dead. This isn't like playing army when you were 10 years old. These people are addicted to power, control, money and functioning without restraint of conscience or law. Addicts just don't stop because most simply can't just stop. They are addicts.

Trump, not being, thankfully, a dictator, cannot simply just rearrange government to his liking. He IS a president and is therefore heavily limited by an anti-king/anti-dictator constitution. So he has to have a plan, management skills AND the ability to deal with employees in a way that will get them to do their best or get the hell out by personal decision or being shown the door. Essentially get with the program or get the hell out. Everyone is given the opportunity to show their merit. Won't/can't show your merit? Good luck with your career change.

Yes, America was right at the brink of failure. Many cannot comprehend just how close we were. It's probably better that way. America has suffered over a century of deep state corruption driving America and Americans toward total slavery with out regard for race, color, creed or religion. An equal opportunity enslavement. You, me, shootie, keef, everyone here and elsewhere across the country have every reason to think that ol' Donnie boy will be just another political POS or that the corruption is so deeply entrenched that we will NEVER be rid of it. But you have to get honest with yourself and what you see in politics.

Believe it or not Trump IS making serious progress on MAGA. PROGRESS. MAGA continues and will continue into term 2. Draining this swamp WILL take yet more time. Yes, we DO want to see these corrupt bastards marching to jail or swinging in a noose. I'm ALL in favor of giving these cretins ALL they so richly deserve. They have worked hard for it. We owe it to them. We're all wanting their payday to arrive soon. But there's still more to get done first.

So go do whatever it is you gotta do to help your patience along. This has not been in any way "politics as usual". And it will continue to be a tense, suspenseful, entertaining rolly coaster ride until it's time to bring down the curtain on the cretins. You can make it. We all can make it despite how difficult it may seem at times. Remember, we do NOT want to go to "Plan B" which is armed insurrection and removal, by force, of ALL government across the country. Let Trump give it his best shot which is why he was hired.
 

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I guess you didn't follow my posts during the Obummer days.

I read your posts, and I stand by my point. This isn't about politics, that got thrown out the window when JFK was shot, although there have been some moments of hope (RFK, RP, Reagan first few months, DJT 2016-early 17).

The pol tics related comments are only inserted as part of the de-brainwashing stage. Revo doesn't happen at this point in time. Only the truth (requiring a debrainwashing of the lies first) provides hope now.





Who cares about the poll numbers
Do you believe DJT is the leader to bring on honesty, liberty and prosperity back to the working class of America?
I believe Trump is no slouch. I also believe he does have the best interests of Americans at heart. He is but one man wading neck deep in the cesspool of this nation. What he wants to do is going to take more time, but I believe there is no one else willing to do it. I get skeptical sometimes as well, but you just have to have faith.
 

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FM...
I just wish you were not so blind to what is blatantly obvious to so many others...that there really is a "deep state" and they are in an existential battle with Trump for their very survival...and you are an unwittiing pawn in their machinations.
He knows there is a deep state. What he's trying to point out is that Trump is a pawn in their machinations. Need proof? Bolton, Pence, Pompeo, and the list goes on and on. Trump has raised taxes and sold it to the people as fighting foreign monsters. Trump has raised the national debt and sold it as fighting foreign monsters. Trump has allowed the intelligence community to run amok, even though they plot against him, because they are saving us from foreign monsters.
 

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What irritates me is your (FM's) inability to process factual data that stands in stark contrast to your inane ramblings about how Trump is bad...

You (FM) like to present yourself as this learned person...who studies different subjects and wants to communicate your knowledge with the rest of us...
Yep. What irritates me the most about our self prolaimed expert is his bad habit of abandoning a discussion as soon as he is proved wrong, only to immediately start another thread with the same inane stuff as before.

Why not just finish a discussion and accept that sometimes you might be wrong? We all are sometimes.
 

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He's better than Hillary response is tiring...we've all heard it a thousand times...what's the 2020 cliché?
you may find it tiring, but it is in fact true. We would have been worse off with any other candidate that could have won. Sure, RP would have been better, but I don't recall that ever having been an option on a November ballot.

So in your opinion, who would have been better who also had a chance to win?

Remember, you can only pick the best person for any job out of the bunch that actually apply for the job.
 

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Rationalizing by comparing him to Hillary...is a super low bar!
Again, out of those on the ballot who had an actual chance of winning, who would have been better?

You can only pick from those who applied for the job and who had an actual chance of winning.
In your opinion, who would have been better?
 

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If you owned a company and needed workers, you have to pick the best from those who apply, right?

If the absolute best does not apply for the job you are offering, you are left to pick the best of those who did apply and try to make the best of it.

The only other option is to do it yourself, or just not be in business at all.
...and the job of POTUS is no different.
 

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@gliddenralston , , , refusing to answer, answers for you. Because if you honestly thought the hag was the best choice, you'd have just said so.
 

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Lets make a real comparison since Hitlary was never pres...Tramp says he's the greatest potus ever, so out of the 45 potus are there any that you would rank higher than Tramp? be honest now!
 

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@gliddenralston , , , refusing to answer, answers for you. Because if you honestly thought the hag was the best choice, you'd have just said so.
Sorry dude I didn't vote for either!!!...right now 2020 looks like another no vote. whatever happens i'll live with!!
 

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Lets make a real comparison since Hitlary was never pres...Tramp says he's the greatest potus ever, so out of the 45 potus are there any that you would rank higher than Tramp? be honest now!
can't bring yourself to answer my question, huh? Lol
....but I'll answer yours straight up.

Imho, Chester Arthur was better.
...and I'll add Thomas Jefferson and George Washington too.

Now how about you answer mine? Out of those on the '16 ballot who had an actual chance of winning, who was better?
 
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Sorry dude I didn't vote for either!!!...right now 2020 looks like another no vote.
I did not ask who you voted for. What I asked is, out of those on the ballot who had an actual chance of winning, who was the best one?
...and no, Jill Stein does not count. That is who you voted for, right? Lol
 

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Since I can't stand Hitlary...I would have been forced to vote T...Hopefully 2020 has a choice, looks slim right now...Chester Arthur interesting....Have a nice day JK.
 

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Since I can't stand Hitlary...I would have been forced to vote T...Hopefully 2020 has a choice, looks slim right now...Chester Arthur interesting....Have a nice day JK.
thank you for (finally) admitting that he was in fact our best option at the time. It's more than certain others here are willing to do.
...and I hope that you have a nice day too.
 

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Hitlary or Tramp you call that a choice!
I call it a choice between Rib Eye Steak & SHIT !
It's called a no brainer !
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FM -- I'm climbing on with Strawboss. He pointed out how you become utterly obtuse when faced with Trump realities.

Just look at this OBTUSE cut-and-paste:

"Trump has no power over CONgress for the same reason his poll ratings are so low... [he lies]"


Where the hell does your head have to be to get so much wrong in so few words????

Where to start? How about the middle -- which part you pulled out of your obtuseness:

"for the same reason his poll ratings are so low" <-- FM Alert: First, his poll ratings are HIGHER than the nigger's (and Bush's) at this point in his Presidency. Second, with ALL of the Dems viciously (and ILLEGALLY <-- as in breaking the law, FM) have been obstructing, lying (RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA) he is not the one lying. And of course, possibly the MSM did NOT help the nigger in any coverups and scandals, and have been very fair with Trump. Right, FM? The MSM has outed all his lies... that is why there is 100,000 people waiting in place right now for the next rally. Yup. Shitty polls.

And the reason you pulled out of the obtuse-ether to irrationally "explain" the situation: You flatly state that the SAME REASON the enemies of America in Congress hate Trump is because he lied to them. HOLY SHIT FM!! Really? Really? Really? Really? Obtuse and stupid and annoying.

Are you really able to double-think 1984-style that fargin completely??

And right after pulling the erroneous blockbuster "bad poll ratings" out of your obtuse-closet, you blithely (and hypocritically) go on to post this howler:

"Who cares about the poll numbers" <<-- Crikey! You cannot even agree with your own posit!!
 

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First, I'm human and get frustrated with the debate. I've learned that once frustrated a brand new tactic is best pursued or take a break.
you call starting a new thread, taking a break?


Second, when learning something that changes my mind or shows I've been wrong - I admit it.
In my experience conversing with you, as soon as you start seeing that you've painted yourself into a corner, you bail.

Edited to add: although I will give you credit for finally admitting that with Trump, we got the best available option.
 

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He's better than Hillary response is tiring...we've all heard it a thousand times...what's the 2020 cliché?
Well lets see...

Promises made. Promises kept. Thats a pretty good one...and something that no other politician that I can think of can lay claim to.

Yeah - I know that some will bring up the fact that Trump said he was gonna build a wall and that Mexico was gonna pay for it...

Well...the wall IS being built. Hundreds and hundreds of miles will be complete by the time Trump finishes his first term...and if he is re-elected - there is every reason to believe that he will continue building until it is complete. Now it could be said that he isnt building it fast enough...but that would be a weak argument because he has faced opposition every single step along the way. But the fact remains...the wall IS BEING BUILT.

And the Mexico paying thing...a simpleton would contend that the only way for that promise to be kept is for Mexico to write a check. Anything else doesnt count...a more rational way of looking at it is to ask the question..."have we extracted enough concessions out of Mexico in one form or other to compensate us for the expense of building the wall?"

So have we? Well lets see...we have a renegotiated trade deal that is being touted as a significant improvement over NAFTA which will lead to more jobs, more economic activity and the subsequent taxes that go along with that. Thats money in the US Treasury that otherwise wouldnt be there...

And then there is the new reality that Mexico has agreed to not only defend their southern border (at their own expense) which will keep out an untold number of Central Americans...but they have ALSO agreed to take in the illegal immigrants that we are going to deport - which will be a very, very significant number over time.

Assuming we spend an average of $20K per year per illegal immigrant and we are able to successfully deport lets say 2 million of the 20 million (this is a guesstimate). That 10% reduction in illegal immigrants in this country represents a savings of...

$20K x 1 million illegals that are blocked at Mexicos southern border = $20 Billion we dont have to spend
$20K x 2 million of illegals that we deport that will no longer collect any benefits = $40 billion.

So that is $60 billion in savings without even taking into account the additional money we will have as a result of the USMCA...

If the estimated cost of the wall is lets say $20 billion and we have extracted $60 billion in savings...

I would call that...

#winning
 

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My response to FMs post...

For Strawboss post about bailing out or creating a new thread when I discover I'm wrong - NO, that's not the reason. It wasnt me that said you bail out when cornered with the truth...although you do and have done it repeatedly...

First, I'm human and get frustrated with the debate. I've learned that once frustrated a brand new tactic is best pursued or take a break. Starting a new thread on the same subject you just got cornered on is now considered a "tactic"? I suppose you could call it a tactic. In a Saul Alinsky sort of way...
Second, when learning something that changes my mind or shows I've been wrong - I admit it. If DJT starts telling the American people the truth instead of tweeting "I think I know...." then I will be the first here to admit it. I am wondering if you understand the difference between thinking you know a thing...and actually knowing a thing...also - I am wondering if you realize how big the chasm is between those 2 mindsets.

When he tweeted "...tremendous advantage..." regarding the PEG - I posted: that's a great start toward the truth.

I was hoping to see some big leaders go to jail and treason trials begin in 2017 also - you know I've posted that hundreds of times. Yeah...me too. I still have hope that it will happen.

For the polls... it's in the context:
What I meant with those 2 statements is that the numbers are not relevant so much when it's 45-55. What I meant about the poll numbers when I treated them as important, was about getting an overwhelming national support - poll and approval numbers at 70 to 90%. Saddam had really high poll numbers. I'd like to think that isnt what you had in mind?

Some leaders actually get those kind of numbers. Saddam, Stalin, Pol Pot, etc... If DJT had pursued the things he campaigned on and had really treated the domestic MAGA agenda the way many of us had hoped, his numbers would have gone up fast. What part of the domestic agenda are you referring to? Surely its not the tax cuts, or regulation cuts, or the unemployment rate, or the efforts to build the wall, or any of a hundred or so other accomplishments he has had. Not to mention having to fight the deep state every minute of every day...talk about fighting with both arms tied behind your back... People that didn't vote because they didn't see a choice would have moved into his camp. Even many Dims would have. The 5 decade long destruction of the middle class is seen as a root cause issue which makes many of the other problems much worse - much of the nation agrees with me on this point. Much of the nation, huh? Would that be the part of the nation that wants to teach our children the virtues of being a tranny? Or that killing babies is to be encouraged? Or that socialism is such a great idea we should implement it here? I could go on and on about that part of America that you find yourself in "alignment" with...but I am hopeful you get the point...

For many of the other posts that replied to me, please see the Bigfoot post #24 - it is 100% in line with my thinking.

Faith is for GOD . Faith is the hope in things unseen...to have faith is something is to have confidence in that thing...even if it hasnt yet come to be. I can have faith that my car will start in the morning...

... for our fellow humans on this planet.. .it's best to instead follow the saying: "actions speak louder than words." Yes they do...but our words carry import as well. Especially when one is the President of the United States and the overarching objective is to show the nation the truth in a way that unites and doesnt devolve into a civil war. Not an easy thing to do...