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What If Politics Can't Fix What's Broken?

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anybody paying attention and actually believing traipsing off to a voting booth every once in awhile is going to effect change is just plain deluding themselves

of course, jmo
A number of years ago, I told myself I would never go to the polls again ... and yet every voting day, I find myself standing in a f'ing line with a whole bunch of other gullible fools waiting my turn to select pretty colored squares on a magic box.


Maybe i stick to my guns this next time out ...

 

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Vote.

Here's why: It's a drop in the bucket. But it IS a drop.

If you were going into combat, you load down with all the shit you can possibly manage.

And when it comes down to the wire... just maybe, just maybe -- that last drop in your canteen makes the difference between victory and death.

Vote.
 

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,,, Which is it? Easy enough to turn in 30 days, or harder than anyone can imagine?

.... News Flash! We don't have a dictator. Therefor it won't be happening in 30 days...
It doesn't take a news flash to know that with a dictator it can't happen even in 30 years.

The truth takes about 4 or 5 hour-long speeches to the nation, by an honest leader, and then a week or so to send out the marshals to round up the suspects.

While the top suspects are unknown and likely in International waters, on their half billion dollar yachts - their underlings are well known and given the nature of their crimes, I'm sure they'd spill the remaining truths that we're still not certain of prior to the end of the first month.

Sure, it would take another year or two to finish the treason trials and capture TPTB by military force, but things could "turn around" based upon the world knowing the truth within the first 30 days easy.

Do not underestimate the power of knowledge. Once the world knows exactly how much has been taken from them, in prosperity, wealth, health and blood, who did it and is doing it, and how, a whole lot of things can change quite fast.

We don't need to see them hang immediately, but the narrative would need to change from "left vs right" to: traitor or not.
 
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It doesn't take a news flash to know that with a dictator it can't happen even in 30 years.
Yet you seem to think that Trump is supposed to be able to order it all done as you describe. Ie: that would take a dictator to do all that.


The truth takes about 4 or 5 hour-long speeches to the nation, by an honest leader, and then a week or so to send out the marshals to round up the suspects.
If Trump were to try doing what you suggest, how do you propose we "make" everyone believe him on all that?
...and if he just ordered the fbi or whoever to go arrest half of Congress and 3/4's of all the bureaucrats, you're right back at a dictator-like action.

As it is, he could speak nothing but the truth until the day he dies, but because it was coming from Trump, at least half the people would completely ignore it or go the other way just to not do what Trump says to do.
Ie: how do you propose we educate those who aren't interested in being educated in what you or I might want them to be educated in? We're talik' at least half the nation here.


Do not underestimate the power of knowledge. Once the world knows exactly how much has been taken from them, in prosperity, wealth, health and blood, who did it and is doing it, and how, a whole lot of things can change quite fast.
Haven't you been doing that? Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I seem to recall you saying something about having an educational blog or some social media thing about all this stuff? Again, it's been awhile but I vaguely recall you saying something to that effect in the past.

I agree with you on the power of knowledge, but a lot of people are not willing to change their beliefs based upon learning new information. It gets back to, how do you make someone learn something that they may be unwilling to learn?
....and even if you try forcing it on them, if it conflicts with what they think they already know, they tend to discard the new info anyways.
 

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... but a lot of people are not willing to change their beliefs based upon learning new information.... they tend to discard the new info anyways.
The leader of the supposed free world has an agenda setting ability - just look how often Trump brings the border wall into the front of global news.

But of course an agenda about the truth won't be allowed. The laws of physics can be suspended, but if it goes against the narrative, it is brushed aside as if it couldn't be at all relevant, never to be heard from again.

The narrative about the lie eventually falls to dust, creating a lot of damage along the way. But the truth is entirely different, it's rarely seen,... but when it is, it can take hold of one's spirit.

Getting a leader to pursue things via the truth is unlikely, anything close will probably be avoided at all cost. But understanding what's been stolen, how, when and by who is not something unknowable or impossibly complex.
 
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The leader of the supposed free world has an agenda setting ability
Again, that requires both congress and the People to be willing to go along with the agenda attempting to be set. Look around. Do you really think Trump has a ghost's chance in hell of getting the backing of congress, the People and the media? I don't. He could sign an EO declaring that the sky is blue and the grass is green and 3/4th's of congress and half the People would fight him on what the exact shades of blue and green are.

just look how often Trump brings the border wall into the front of global news.
Huh? It's the msm that does that with all their negative spin trying to convince everyone that there's no need for it. You've fallen for it and so has many others. If they'd just start building it, he'd not have to mention it again until it was done.
 

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Honestly. If TPTB wanted her to win, she would have won.His hair is fake. thirty years ago he had reddish brown hair. Now he has identity politics hair. He is quite an actor.
So was Ronald Reagan. Is that a flaw?
 

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A number of years ago, I told myself I would never go to the polls again ... and yet every voting day, I find myself standing in a f'ing line with a whole bunch of other gullible fools waiting my turn to select pretty colored squares on a magic box.


Maybe i stick to my guns this next time out ...

Carlin was sharp. He explains very clearly why voting is actually part of the problem.

Still, nationalist socialists are usually very effective when it comes to turning marginalized groups into cannon fodder. They convert supposedly jaded and disillusioned citizens with little to no faith in government into cheering fans with a lot of simple talk.

After all, poor and simple people love easy scapegoats, self-soothing and simple answers.

"Who's da best? You da best!"
"Whose fault is everything bad? Theirs!"
"Evil rich people and foreigners are robbing and raping you! Get them!"
 

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So was Ronald Reagan. Is that a flaw?
Yes. An actor is not a public figure to admire. Actors are professional phonies. Their job is to fool us.
Anyone who uses psychological trickery to deceive or manipulate me is not my friend.
 

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Trump couldn’t even get a bill for wall funding while his own party had both houses.
This is a disingenuous comment I see many make. It ignores the fact that the Senate requires 60 votes - not simply a majority.

In reality, his own party is full of traitors.
Quoted for truth.

The truth is the only way out of this mess for Americans and essentially the globe. The truth is still right there, the truth could have been told, what's been stolen could be retrieved. Even treason trials could have started within 30 days.
It takes time to assemble evidence and determine all the players in a criminal network...and you dont take down the network until all the ducks are lined up...

anybody paying attention and actually believing traipsing off to a voting booth every once in awhile is going to effect change is just plain deluding themselves
Yeah...which goes to another thread you started about what happens if politics cant fix whats wrong...

Civil war seems inevitable to me unless something very dramatic happens to significantly alter the divide...

Its conservative Patriots against the world...that is the battle line...

And I will close with an observation that I "think" is true...but have no way to verify...

Conservative Patriots seem to me to be by and large Christians (male and female). Not all of them of course - but the vast majority...That would mean that the battle is between Christians against the world.

Conservative Patriots vs. the rest of world = Christians vs. the rest of world

Conservative Patriots = Christians

A very clever lie in there...equating Patriots with Christians...

Truth of the matter is that Jesus said "you are in the world but are not a part of the world..."

We are simply strangers in a strange land...where nothing makes sense...
 
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Civil war seems inevitable to me unless something very dramatic happens to significantly alter the divide...

Its conservative Patriots against the world...that is the battle line...

And I will close with an observation that I "think" is true...but have no way to verify...

Conservative Patriots seem to me to be by and large Christians (male and female). Not all of them of course - but the vast majority...That would mean that the battle is between Christians against the world.

Conservative Patriots vs. the rest of world = Christians vs. the rest of world

Conservative Patriots = Christians
I would have disagreed with you a few months ago wrt civil war. I'm gearing up in earnest for it now. conservatives are going to be attacked from a few sides

* any military / police that will be ordered to attack sovereign citizens - and they will ( remember Katrina )
* those unprepared folks who will run out of everything in 1 or 2 weeks. mobs will be tough to deal with, unless you have like minded folks in your neighborhood who have a solid understanding of "crossfire"

* the "see something - say something" crowd . Sneaky little bastards. they'll be tough to counter ... well, we know how to deal with them ... just tough decision to commit to it.



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.... In reality, his own party is full of traitors.
Yes, they're nearly all traitors. It is clear as day. It is entirely obvious. Only the shills and the brain washed claim differently.

The world runs on war, crime and corruption based economics. It's been this way since either the civil war or WW1 or possibly sometime much further back in the past. It doesn't matter when, as it was long before any of us.

Most world leaders are criminals and many of them now come directly from the crime industry / families. For example, the Bush family or the Clintons or our current admitted criminal 'n chief. Just because the records were sealed and the hush money or restitution payments were eventually paid out does not mean the original crimes were not committed. A 70 year track record of abusing others and stealing from them is enough for me to know where they pledge their allegiance to.

Our gov't does most everything in secret - that right there should tell you all you need to know. Secret one on one meetings around the world where they talk about how much more they can steal from us. Don't think that the latest "debrief" about how they're "disappointed" or "working out well" or "evil rocket guy" or "great artist" was actually what they talked about.