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WHAT IF the Earth was Actually Flat?

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“And God said, Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters. And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so.” Genesis‬ ‭1:6-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬


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"The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork." Psalms 19:1 KJV


You know you were created...and yes, they have done a damn good job of hiding that though...humanity must stay asleep at all costs or the gig is up for them. Humanity has had a boot on its face for way too long!
 

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Your explanation made no sense. It was just a UN flag with a red circle. Nothing about sunlight patterns.

it’s math we are talking about here, not opinions. The times the sun rises in the south on a UN map won’t make any sense.
No, it was an azimuthal equidistant projection from the USGS. The UN flag lacks Antarctica.

...and I've been talking about maths for several pages here...but nobody seemingly cares about the fact that if Earth is a spheroid 24,901 in circumference then there'd have to be a very specific amount of observable curvature. Globe Earth theory requires opinions to survive.

Opinions on how there can be a sphere made up of 72% flat spot. Opinions about how gravitational "force"(not force) functions. Opinions about how gas pressure can exist without a container. Opinions are all ball Earth proponents really have...hell there's not even a working physical model of ball Earth...because gravity magick is bashful.

Don't you think it's a bit odd that ball Earthers always demand "proof" from those challenging their beliefs while providing only NASA CGI crap as their own so called "evidence"?


is this not accurate?

@solarion
Accurate at doing what? You seem obsessed with mercator projections. Literally warped globes, turned into cylinders, and unrolled till flat. Are YOU suggesting the Earth is flat?
 

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Accurate at doing what? You seem obsessed with mercator projections. Literally warped globes, turned into cylinders, and unrolled till flat. Are YOU suggesting the Earth is flat?

is it not accurate showing real time daylight on earth?
 

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How can it be daylight on South Africa, New Zealand, all of South America and Alaska if the earth is flat?
 

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is it not accurate showing real time daylight on earth?
I don't know, I've never been everywhere at once.

If it is an accurate representation of real time daylight on Earth...does that mean Earth is a distorted spheroid, warped into a cylinder, and then unrolled until flat? ...and if it is...how *DID* the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor?
 

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how do you explain the daylight patterns
He can't.

Where the heck do 11 years old hear about flat earthers.
There's far more mind polluted people out there then you'd imagine.
....and they actively attempt to infect others minds with it.
Edited to add: why do you think they post this crap to begin with? Because they want to infect others.
It's pretty sad when ya think about it.

What do you think the flat Earthers teach their children?
....and then their children talk to normal peoples children.
....and then we wonder where 11yo's hear this crapola.

*I* don't often attempt to explain the sun's motion at all.
See @Mujahideen , what'd I tell ya? Lol


A better question might be...why do they believe Earth to be a spheroid.
Because it is a provable fact, but your flat Earth dogma prevents you from seeing it.

Have they ever seen any evidence that would lead one to conclude the surface of Earth's lakes and oceans are anything other than flat? I haven't and I'm 53.
You most certainly have seen it, but the mind pollution of flat Earth dogma you subscribe to causes you to be blind to it.

I'm talkin' about that pic of Chicago you posted as so-called "proof" of your flat Earth dogma, that was in fact shown to exhibit evidence of the exact amount of curvature that you try to say there is no evidence of.

Why do you no longer use that pic as evidence?

with the UN map you can clearly see the distortion the further south you go
He cannot see it.


Speshul relativity simply(and wrongly) says that one cannot know if they are in motion or if their surrounding are...which CAN be true
Nice contradiction there.
....but for a flat Earther it's expected. Lol


Observable reality says that the Mississippi river flows up hill for 2,350 miles...as long as one believes the river is plastered to the Northern hemisphere of a giant spheroid 7917 miles in diameter. How is that "relative"? ...uh gravity is it? lol
"Observable reality" says it flows downhill.



Your explanation made no sense.
Now you're catching on!
....and you should be damn glad it made no sense to you. For it to make sense requires ones mind and thought processes to be polluted.


Flat Chest would b kiddie porn, flat earth is just stupidity
It's even worse than that, because it is willful.

if Earth is a spheroid 24,901 in circumference then there'd have to be a very specific amount of observable curvature
There is. That pic of Chicago you tried passing off as proof of your flat Earth garbage, perfectly shows the exact amount of curvature that you say should be apparent on a sphere with a circumference of 24,901 miles.

Why do you never post that pic as proof anymore? Lol


is it not accurate showing real time daylight on earth?
It is.
Edited to add: ...but they'll never acknowledge it, as they are incapable of discussing this topic in an honest manner.
 
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To believe in flat Earth, a persons logic and reasoning cannot possibly be working in a correct and accurate manner.
....and if it applies to this subject, how does that flawed logic and reasoning affect their judgements on other topics?
Likely not in any positive manner.
 

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thoroughly...unlike the gas covered spinning space water-fruit theory...which cannot be physically modeled.

Primer Fields Theory. Just another theory with merit.
 

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Came for the jokes, sticking around for the opinions. Honestly, and no disrespect intended, i didn’t think this was a serious thread.

If I could ask a flat earth believer a question (no homework, just your opinion)

If you trust looking through a telescope and with your own eyes, or time lapse photography, see that other planets rotate and orbit. Meaning you're seeing all of the surface area given enough time, Doesn’t that definitionally mean they are spheres. And if they are spheres then isn’t it logical to assume we’re the same geometry. This is the didn’t we all go to a planetarium as a kid argument I guess.

Apologies if this was covered earlier
 

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Not a flat Earther, but I'll take a stab at that.

A decent telescope is relatively cheap nowadays, so it's easier than ever to check stuff out for ones self. I've never seen anything in mine(a Newtonian reflector) that leads me to believe humans are exploring the galaxy. As to your comment about ensuring the heavenly bodies are spheroids...well that doesn't even hold up for Earth's own moon...one side of which can be seen with stunning detail...and another side of which can never be seen at all.

Also consider, there are no other observable planets in the sol-ar system like Earth and to assume there are planets like Earth scattered throughout an allegedly infinite cosmos is not very scientific even if one does appreciate Drake's math skills. There are far easier, more certain, scientific ways to employ a telescope to assist one in determining the shape of Earth that doesn't include assumptions and conjecture. Simply point it horizontally and observe objects beyond possible range if Earth is a spheroid 7917 miles in diameter.
 

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It's important, imo, that we all remain skeptical of what we're told by gumbymint and their institutions...particularly the federal regime. For some reason NASA gets a pass by nearly everyone...on nearly everything...because they're allegedly "civilian" and allegedly "scientists". Nevermind that 100% of the *18 humans that are alleged to have gone beyond "low Earth orbit"(whatever that means at this point), were under contract to the US Air Force.

Once NASA propaganda and CGI rubbish is dispensed with, there's actually very little to support the theory that Earth is a rotating gas covered mud ball 25k miles in circumference hurtling through an allegedly vast cosmos at ridiculous speeds.

We all have our own opinions on how much gumbymint BS to accept, but the space/time travel stuff coming out of NASA and other coordinating space/time agencies/companies , at least to me, seems completely fake. The entire fabricated space/time narrative feeds into the notion that humans are small, insignificant, and not special, while seemingly answering a lot of the most glaring questions humans have been asking since humans existed. That's a dangerous combination, and we should all be wary of propaganda there...despite the sci-fi narrative being "cool".

Edit: *Not counting the Apollo 13 shit show. Which was again allegedly operated by military personnel.
 
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Not a flat Earther, but I'll take a stab at that
Now that's funny!


<heh> I know that, sol, but lots of the peeps on this thread seem to overlook that fact.
Carry on, bro.

BF
He's not being honest about it. He's as much a flat Earther as anyone ever has been.
After all, the only things he posts on this subject is flat Earth so-called "proofs".

If he was not, and was simply and honestly looking for the truth, he would explore both sides with an equally open mind and attitude.
....but he outright rejects anything that could even remotely prove flat Earth to be wrong.
Even his own posts.
....but then tries to say he isn't a flat Earther. Lol



If he was even remotely honest in this discussion, he would acknowledge that the pic he himself used to "prove" the Earth is flat, actually shows curvature 100% consistent with the Earth being round.

Anyone honestly just looking for the truth would acknowledge the actual proof in their own picture.
 

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Joe, ya know I think sol is just gathering talking points to take back to a flat earth site and use them to refute their statements. Can you "PROVE" (everyone likes that word so much) that is not what he's doing?

Not speaking for sol, I just believe he plays devil's advocate for a lot of things.
"Trust The Science" — NOT

JMSO,
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Meh...I usually forget joking is still kicking around these parts as I've had him on ignore so long. Lots of posts...very little intellectual integrity, but then what would one expect from someone who believes the so called "air sphere", has within it a mechanism to provide what amounts to a "momentum savings account". LOL

Anyone, painting the open discussion of Earth's shape as "flat"(and round) vs "round/spherical" is already creating a box to put everyone into.

There are obvious problems with both models and it's a mistake to assume it must be either and then attempt to find data to support one's arguments. We should all favor objective data collection and comparison, rather than bringing beliefs and feelings into an intellectual discussion.
 

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Joe, ya know I think sol is just gathering talking points to take back to a flat earth site and use them to refute their statements. Can you "PROVE" (everyone likes that word so much) that is not what he's doing?

Not speaking for sol, I just believe he plays devil's advocate for a lot of things.
"Trust The Science" — NOT

JMSO,
BF
Wow, he's apparently got you fooled.

If that were the case, he would in fact acknowledge the pic he must now ignore.

After all, if he were looking for ammo to use against the mentally disabled flat Earthers, that pic is the silver bullet.

How in the f' could any rational and honest person look at it and not see exactly what It shows?

He obviously realizes that it shows something other than what he originally thought it showed. If not, he'd still try using that pic, but instead is no longer capable of seeing it.
The flat Earth dogma has blinded him to reality.


Sol and I used to be friends, until he clearly demonstrated his unwillingness to have an honest discussion on the topic.

It made me sad.
 

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.I usually forget joking is still kicking around these parts as I've had him on ignore so long. Lots of posts...very little intellectual integrety
Says the guy who is himself demonstrably incapable of the very intellectual integrity he accuses me of not having. Lol lol lol lol
 

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Says the guy who is himself demonstrably incapable of the very intellectual integrity he accuses me of not having. Lol lol lol lol
Rage on funny man...as you frantically edit out the spelling mistakes you ADDED after quoting me. ROFL

Did you edit it to include spelling errors...then have it "auto corrected" back to how I typed it? hahahaha

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You're gold bruh. Peace.
 

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Wow, he's apparently got you fooled.
Maybe it looks that way to you.
I do have an open mind.
Sometimes the wind blows a bit of trash into it.
But, I don't mind — I have a remarkable recovery system.
I've been fooled before and I suppose I'll be fooled again, but WGAF?

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Rage on funny man..
Not raging at all. Just trying to make sure that anyone else engaging you on this subject realizes what they are dealing with.

as you frantically edit out the spelling mistakes you ADDED after quoting me. ROFL
The quote feature didn't include everything and I fixed it.
...and yes, I edited a few spelling mistakes. I'm using a small screen right now, so sorry.
....and you can respond about a spelling mistake, but not respond to anything that shows you might be wrong?
....and you try to say that I am the one lacking intellectual integrity?

A person with intellectual integrity would not avoid that which might prove them wrong.
...but you do in fact avoid what might prove you wrong.
...and that says a lot about your intellectual integrity.
...and/or lack thereof.
 

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Anyone, painting the open discussion of Earth's shape as "flat"(and round) vs "round/spherical" is already creating a box to put everyone into.

This.

Many people believe its flat after they first discover the oddities and lies. Eventually, after further research most realize you have no idea what the shape of the earth is because no one knows. You can't get out to see what it is. That's the whole point of this. We are inside an enclosed eco-system. The shape of the eco-system is unknown. Its gods footstool in scripture. I don't want to speak for everyone else, but what it lead me to was that everything is mental. This physical reality we experience is a mental experience. When you dream you are also in a type of physical reality, but where are you at that point? Same kinda thing. It takes the mind on an inward experience instead of looking outward as TPTB, NASA, Royal Society, Secret Societies, etc. want the masses to do. They are deathly scared of conscious spiritual awakening of the masses.

The point IMO is to realize not everything is physical based. Its easy to assume since we are having a physical experience here and can observe outward the stars and illuminaries that everything is also physical. It lead me personally to gnostic texts where they literally describe matter as evil. The physical world is like a prison and we are spiritual beings trapped in this physical body. A meat suit as I like to call it. That is undeniable, IMO just based on "I AM". Where was I before where will I be after? Lots of posts lately from Bob and other forum members about Gnostic texts and thought that really make a lot of sense once you have been exposed to these various levels. All people that believe in a higher power will agree that something isn't quite right and that we or this world isn't perfect. That is undeniable. Traditional modern Christianity views this imperfection as a "fall" of humanity as Eve took a bite of the forbidden fruit and sense then humanity has been doomed to physical existence knowing good and evil and stuck in duality. Is that a correct interpretation? Why did "God" say to the serpent say if they eat of it they will be like us knowing good and evil? The Gnostics know (and I am likely not getting this exactly right, but more or less) that a lesser god (demiurge) was conscious and in the midst of the darkness/infinite potential and believed that it was the ultimate "God" and used that to create the physical world that we know not knowing that the existence of the darkness/infinite potential was the most high or the All as some call it. The demiurge thinking he is the supreme god created this world. In Gnostic texts the world itself is imperfect because it was not created by the Most High, but since the demiurge used the infinite potential/darkness to create it we all have a connection to the most high. In the garden of Eden the theory is that the serpent tried to free humanity to understand this physical prison they exist, which is why the Demiurge didn't want Adam or Eve to eat of the apple of the knowledge of good and evil.

That sounds crazy right? Yes, becuase that is against traditional Christianity. Remember, that early Christians were being persecuted by the Romans. Then Constantine had an epiphany, saw the vision in that battle that escapes my mind at the moment and "converted to Christianity". Not true though. What he really did was attempt to bring his empire back together by blending Pagan and Christian tradition into a new version called "Roman Catholicism". After that THEY "The Christians" start persecuting the Gnostics and Pagans as heretics. This allowed him to gain power back and eventually allow his empire to never be defeated as it spread across the world like a cancer not becuase of fear, but another powerful tool that controls humans: "guilt". Guilt of going to hell. From there they slowly manipulated the Church into more mystery babylon. Ok, back to genesis and the old testament...

Did you ever find it odd that the god of the old testament is jealous, pushes for war, and asks his followers to do some downright evil stuff? Hey Abraham go sacrafice your kid to show your faith to me and stops him right at the last minute. He go to X City and kill everyone including the women and children, etc. Does that sound like an all loving God to you? Sounds very different then the God in the New Testament. Think about this world we live in and the atrocities it creates just to live. We have to endlessly consume, destroy other life forms, eat them and then shit them out. Plants are alive just as animals are. Look at some of the creates or things that exist in this world. The praying mantis that decapitates its mate and then devours it. What kind of screwed up thing is that? The Gnostics believed that the physical world is imperfect and evil and to get out of this physical world/reality/matrix/realm/whatever you want to call it you must search for Gnosis (knowledge) as a means to escape it.

Cliffnotes: The "flat earth" bullshit is a stepping stone. Its to expose you to some of the oddities that don't make sense in the agreed official story paradigm. Some stay on the flat earth theory, but the point, again, IMO is to move past the physical and realize this place isn't at all what we are told it is.

“The ALL is Mind, everything is mental.”

The Kybalion
 
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...and here I thought it was merely un-scientific to assume something based upon belief structures and then attempt to heap fact upon it. ;)
 

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Oh.
How much do I owe you for that mental assessment Dr King?
You owe me 0 for that.
...and I'm no doctor, just someone who understands what we are dealing with.


you have no idea what the shape of the earth is because no one knows.
Maybe you don't, but I do.

Just because you do not know something does not mean that no one else does either.
 

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Flat earthers did teach me that most pictures of earth are edited since the satellites are too close to the planet to get a big picture.

I would have had no idea otherwise.

but I do believe the earth is a sphere. My brother is a sonar tech for the USN and he’s been around the planet. I think it would be too big to keep a secret for long.
 

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We live on a marginally stable rotating ball of rock rotating at 1500 mph, circling the sun at once per year, rotating in one of the spiral arms at a rate of once per 2 million years, headed toward a collision with a neighbor in 5 million years.

Ole Sol is only good for another 2 billion years, at which time the diameter will increase to beyond our orbit diameter and the earth will be erased for the universe.

As if we never existed

what will the shape of the earth be then?
 

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Maybe you don't, but I do.

Just because you do not know something does not mean that no one else does either.

It must be pretty comfortable knowing you have everything figured out and you have unlocked the mysteries of the world. Why are you here then? If you have everything figured out why are you on earth still? What else do you need to learn? Please enlighten us on the origins of humanity as I have never spoken to someone who knows all before, so I have a lot of questions for you....

1. Where were you before this life?
2. Where do we go when we die?
3. Why do we dream?
4. What is the origin of humanity?
5. Did we evolve from monkeys and if so, why do monkeys still exist?
6. What was up with that whole Piltdown man thing?
7. Why do bad things happen to good people?
8. How can so much evil exist in this world?
9. We are made out of meat. What pieces of meat contains your conscious thought?
10. Why does the elite practice ritual magic?
11. What are the elite doing in their sex magick mansion parties?
12. Why are most high ranking members of NASA and the government freemasons?
13. What is the meaning of life?

Who do you trust? The person that says we know case closed don't question it or the people that say lets look into it.

That's an easy one for me to pick.
 

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We live on a marginally stable rotating ball of rock rotating at 1500 mph, circling the sun at once per year, rotating in one of the spiral arms at a rate of once per 2 million years, headed toward a collision with a neighbor in 5 million years.

Ole Sol is only good for another 2 billion years, at which time the diameter will increase to beyond our orbit diameter and the earth will be erased for the universe.

As if we never existed

what will the shape of the earth be then?

Such chaotic movement and speed through the Universe yet the constellations have always been the same becuase its a Calendar system that has never changed.
 

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It's nice BF how you give the benefit of the doubt, it's quite commendable.
...but again, if he were doing as you originally suggested, why would he be so blind to the silver bullet I've provided him?

Remember that he tried to claim that pic as proof of a flat Earth in multiple posts.
....but after I pointed out in a way that 5th grader could see that it actually shows the exact amount of curvature that he says there is no proof of, he suddenly becomes blind to it and shifts his argument to a different point.

How is that not a demonstration of dishonesty on his part in the conversation?

After all, it was his pic and he made big noise about how it proved his argument.
That is, until he realized it didn't.
 

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It's nice BF how you give the benefit of the doubt, it's quite commendable.
...but again, if he were doing as you originally suggested, why would he be so blind to the silver bullet I've provided him?

Remember that he tried to claim that pic as proof of a flat Earth in multiple posts.
....but after I pointed out in a way that 5th grader could see that it actually shows the exact amount of curvature that he says there is no proof of, he suddenly becomes blind to it and shifts his argument to a different point.

How is that not a demonstration of dishonesty on his part in the conversation?

After all, it was his pic and he made big noise about how it proved his argument.
That is, until he realized it didn't.

You are trapped in a physical mindset only. I get it, but until the alter of science moves past that Humanity is stuck and answers to lifes biggest questions will not be known. Its time to investigate what we can't see. This is happening, but only underground research as mainstream science and governments will never allow this to occur. See Tesla as a good example or Eric Dollard as a more modern example. Science is a religion now just look at this COVID19 debacle. The US engages in their own form of inquisition to keep the status quo.
 

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We live on a marginally stable rotating ball of rock rotating at 1500 mph
24901/24 = 1034.54(mph)
It must be pretty comfortable knowing you have everything figured out and you have unlocked the mysteries of the world.
"The wise man seeks knowledge, he just never has the idiocy to believe he knows everything. The minute he starts thinking he’s an expert is the minute he stops being flexible. The minute he grows arrogant is the minute he stops learning."