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Agents provocateur never work alone, and they always require funding and handlers.

...agent provocateur (French for "inciting agent") is a person who commits or who acts to entice another person to commit an illegal or rash act or falsely implicate them in partaking in an illegal act, so as to ruin the reputation or entice legal action against the target or a group they belong to. ...They may target any group, such as a peaceful protest or demonstration...
Follow the money to Soros, Bloomberg, et al.
 

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the 'one arrest' was a joke! CNN will play it to the hilt.

So tiresome...
It is the "Peaceful Demonstrations" part that I am thankful for.
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If the commies pass those gun banning bills now the next chapter won't be so peaceful. The ball is in their court now! Either they back off or they get backed into!
 

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They pass a gun ban the SCOTUS will be the next step.
 

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This country has trained millions of soldiers over the years. Millions are still alive and able-bodied. The deep state's only hope is that they could deceive all of America. However, if Americans wake up to the truth that is being revealed, those soldiers will be a force to be reckoned with. There are only 9 supreme court justices, 100 senators and 435 representatives.... do they really want to face millions of trained, armed, former military people? Not to mention all the non-military Americans with arms. The politicians' only hope was in deception. If they fail at that, they FAIL. When the American people know the truth, politicians will have to yield to the power that can rise against them.

Nancy Peolosi is only a queen in her own mind. She will be running for the hills when the truth is revealed.

Adam Schiff? LOL! He's probably already wearing depends.

When the people wake up and realize that the politicians work for the people and not the other way around, then things will change. Not until.
 

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VIRGINIA RALLY: Erich Pratt Rebukes Blackface Northam at Capitol (8 min 18 sec):


Published on Jan 20, 2020 by Gun Owners of America​
 

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Many people have asked and I will, also. Where in blue blazing hell is the NRA!?
 

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All the open carry patriots surrounding the official protest cage had a very calming effect on any Antifa or Deep State plans to cause trouble, and it looked like many more outside the cage than inside. I hope those gun grabbing legislators got a good look at the people they will be trying to disarm, looked like a lot of serious people, not the type I'd want to be messing with.
 
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VIRGINIA RALLY: Erich Pratt Rebukes Blackface Northam at Capitol (8 min 18 sec):


Published on Jan 20, 2020 by Gun Owners of America​
That was a good little speech.
 

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It is blatantly obvious at this point that the NRA is...and always was - controlled opposition.
Well, it surely seems like it in the current Virginia situation. They’re headquartered right there and they’ve barely poked their heads up outta the ground. They should be screaming to high heaven about this madness. I have to be an NRA member to maintain my membership in the local gun club. They won’t renew your membership without your NRA M#, but this past renewal I sent in my GOA M#, too, just so they think about it.
 

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Last Monday was the NRA's chosen day to act in Va. I'd seen an article fly by about 2 weeks ago that they'd decided to do their own thing on a separate day. Looks like they had many show up, maybe even HUNDREDS!

 

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Last Monday was the NRA's chosen day to act in Va. I'd seen an article fly by about 2 weeks ago that they'd decided to do their own thing on a separate day. Looks like they had many show up, maybe even HUNDREDS!

Nice, but why not stand in solidarity with GOA and everybody else, yesterday? Old Wayne could have stood up and given a speech after Mr. Pratt.
 

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I agree. It’s good to hit on multiple fronts but a united efforts is needed too. I had to dig to find anything regarding the NRA on this Issue. You’d think they’d be vocal or, at least, flooding the print and online media to announce the issue to nonmembers.

Maybe they know they‘re tainted in the eyes of the many? Or maybe they‘re hedging their bets for their own future? Maybe the leadership just needs some refreshing in a big way. Regardless, it’s disappointing they chose not to step onto a stage such as was presented this week and calls for my reconsideration of membership.
 

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the NRA is dead to me. I am however; a GOA paying member
 
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Nice, but why not stand in solidarity with GOA and everybody else, yesterday? Old Wayne could have stood up and given a speech after Mr. Pratt.
Hell will be freezing over when that happens or the NRA has gone bankrupt.
The GOA is an off-shoot of the older, more traditional, pro-Second / Gun rights members who went their own way in the 70s.
The split-off group was contending back in the 70s those in control of the NRA decided to play politic instead of fight for the Constitution.
Evidently, GOA has been right all along.
 

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Virginia says 'No': Democratic lawmakers threaten 2nd Amendment sanctuaries with National Guard -UPDATE



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Virginia is the new battleground of the Second Amendment. After the most recent election, the state's House and Senate are both Democrat majorities and they haven't wasted a moment in attempting to gut the gun laws in what has historically been a permissive state.

What are these new gun laws?

The so-called "assault weapon ban" is SB16 and has that perilously vague wording we all know to be incredibly dangerous. In some interpretations, this law, if it passes, could make illegal the ownership or transportation of any semi-automatic gun because extendable magazines are available for it - and you don't even have to have the extendable mags.

The Virginia Mercury reports:
The new Democratic majorities are expected to pass a variety of gun restrictions, including universal background checks, red flag laws that would allow authorities to take guns from people deemed dangerous and reinstatement of a one-handgun-a-month law...

...But the proposed ban on particular types of firearms — and the prospect of criminal charges for gun owners who didn't give them up — seemed to stoke the strongest outrage in the 40-plus rural localities that have declared themselves Second Amendment sanctuaries within the past few weeks. Of the dozens of bills already filed for the session that begins in January, Saslaw's assault weapon bill was the most-read, according to the state's online legislative system.​
Since the above article was written, it should be noted that 2nd Amendment Sanctuary Counties are at 80 and counting. One sheriff has even vowed to deputize citizens should these unconstitutional laws pass.

After the public outcry, Governor Northam has said a provision will be added for current gun owners. Northam spokeswoman Alena Yarmosky said in a statement Monday evening:
"In this case, the governor's assault weapons ban will include a grandfather clause for individuals who already own assault weapons, with the requirement they register their weapons before the end of a designated grace period."​
Good try, but no cigar.

Gun owners aren't going to take this lying down.

We've written before about Second Amendment sanctuaries popping up across the nation, and now Virginia is joining the fight. According to Gun Rights Watch, practically the entire state is saying NO.

Check out this map:

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Map from Gun Rights Watch as of 12/11/2019
Watch this article which is being updated regularly with the sanctuary movement.

These counties have passed resolutions vowing not to enforce unconstitutional gun laws. USA Today's report refers to them as "publicity stunts" and "political statements."

Richard Schragger, a professor at the University of Virginia School of Law, who focuses on the intersection of the Constitution and local law, told USA Today:
"Rather than challenging an existing statute, the resolutions are 'mostly expressive and symbolic' declarations. In Virginia, state law supersedes local law. Citizens and local officials have to comply with state law even if a county declares itself to be a Second Amendment sanctuary."​
It seems they may be underestimating the force of thousands of clearly well-armed and outraged Virginians if they think it's just a publicity stunt. I'm pretty sure that the Virginians I know mean business.

Now the state legislature is threatening the sanctuary counties and officials.

Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring says that the gun owners are "being ginned up by the gun lobby" and had a few words to say about the rebellion.
"The resolutions that are being passed are being ginned up by the gun lobby to try to scare people. What we're talking about here are laws that will make our communities and our streets safer. We're talking about universal background checks, finally, maybe, Virginia will pass universal background checks to make sure that people who are dangerous, who are criminals and who aren't permitted to buy guns, won't be able to buy guns. So, when Virginia passes these gun safety laws that they will be followed, they will be enforced."​
How exactly do they plan to enforce those laws?

One representative hopes that the law enforcement officers will just resign. Democratic Virginia Rep. Gerry Connolly told the Washington Examiner of local county police who may refuse to enforce future gun control measures:
"I would hope they either resign in good conscience, because they cannot uphold the law which they are sworn to uphold, or they're prosecuted for failure to fulfill their oath. The law is the law. If that becomes the law, you don't have a choice, not if you're a sworn officer of the law."​
I'm 99.9% sure that any sheriff who has supported such a motion is not going to say, "Oh, it's the law. My bad, Gerry."

Rep. Donald McEachin believes cutting off state funds would do the trick, and if that doesn't work he has another suggestion that is far more drastic. McEachin also noted that Democratic Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam could call the National Guard, if necessary:
"And ultimately, I'm not the governor, but the governor may have to nationalize the National Guard to enforce the law. That's his call, because I don't know how serious these counties are and how severe the violations of law will be. But that's obviously an option he has."​
Bringing in the National Guard to confiscate guns or override sanctuaries could only end one way: in bloodshed. Although, one must wonder whether the National Guard members would comply with the governor over their friends, families, and neighbors.

It's going to get ugly fast. As serious as these legislators are about "getting guns off the street," Virginians are equally serious about defending their right to bear arms.

It's the ultimate game of chicken. It looks like we really have reached the point of "out of my cold, dead hands."

Virginia gun owners, myself included, have no intention whatsoever of complying with this gun grab, and no conciliatory "you can keep them but you have to register them" gesture is going to suffice.

The only question remaining is, who's ready to die on this hill?
 

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Because they're competing for the same donated dollars.
The nra see goa as competition
Probably the whole truth of it. Solidarity would go a long way for the gun community; GOA is a natural ally of the NRA, or should be. But, Wayne doesn’t have enough $5,000 suits, apparently.
 

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The NRA called me, today. They asked me if I was following the situation in Virginia and I said that of course I was following it closely. Then, they told me how much they were doing to battle the Virginia gun bans and would I like to give them $150. I said no, that the GOA has been carrying all the weight in Virginia and the NRA has barely stuck their head up, during the whole situation and do not deserve money for nothing. The lady didn’t know what to say, so I thanked her for calling and said to have a good day.

I kind of feel guilty, but I will instead send money to GOA. In my opinion, they deserve it and will use it productively. I should say, it took a long time for me to change my mind on NRA. I’m not totally turned off on them, but I’m close to pulling the plug on them. They need to prove their value to the Second Amendment community.
 

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The NRA called me, today. They asked me if I was following the situation in Virginia and I said that of course I was following it closely. Then, they told me how much they were doing to battle the Virginia gun bans and would I like to give them $150. I said no, that the GOA has been carrying all the weight in Virginia and the NRA has barely stuck their head up, during the whole situation and do not deserve money for nothing. The lady didn’t know what to say, so I thanked her for calling and said to have a good day.

I kind of feel guilty, but I will instead send money to GOA. In my opinion, they deserve it and will use it productively. I should say, it took a long time for me to change my mind on NRA. I’m not totally turned off on them, but I’m close to pulling the plug on them. They need to prove their value to the Second Amendment community.
Why feel guilty? You told her the truth!
 

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The thing is, if the communists held unchecked authority the gays and progresives are the first ones rounded up and sent to the camps.
 

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The thing is, if the communists held unchecked authority the gays and progresives are the first ones rounded up and sent to the camps.
Every cloud has a silver lining I suppose
 

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So is this why the Libs in the city want a statewide gun ban?

The Majority of Virginia Homicides Come from Only Two Metro Areas
01/22/2020Ryan McMaken
In most times and places, crime tends to be a highly localized phenomenon. I have covered this for Mises.org at the national level, pointing out that homicide rates in, say, the Mountain West and New England are far lower than homicide rates in the Great Lakes region or the South. Gun-control laws clearly don't explain these differences, since many places with rock-bottom homicide rates such as Idaho and Maine also have few controls on private gun ownership.
Thus, discussion of the "US homicide rate" tells us precious little about general trends since US homicide rates are kept relatively high by only a small number of cities. Baltimore city, for example, has a homicide ten times higher than the nation overall, and seventeen times larger than the Baltimore suburbs. In 2018, Baltimore reported more than three hundred homicides while similarly sized Denver reported about 67. These are huge differences.
Clearly, speaking generally of homicides as a problem in the United States or even in the State of Maryland tells us little about conditions experienced by most of the population in these places.
Given the very low homicide rates that prevail throughout most of the US, it is clear that enormous swaths of the US population are able to obtain, own, and use firearms freely without turning their cities and towns into war zones.
Given the recent drive for more gun control in the state of Virginia, it may be helpful to look and see whether homicides are a general problem for Virginians or limited to only certain parts of the state.
Regional Differences in Homicides in Virginia
In 2018, the homicide rate in Virginia was 4.6 per 100,000. That's below the national rate of 5 per 100,000, but is well above that of many states such as Iowa, Utah, and Minnesota.
But, of course, homicides are not spread evenly across Virginia. As with many other states, homicide rates are far higher in some cities and metro areas than in others.
For example, according to the FBI's 2018 crime statistics, the homicide rate in the city of Richmond (i.e., not the overall Richmond metro area) was nearly five times higher, with 22.9 homicides per 100,000 people. But among cities with more than 10,000 people, the highest rate was found in Petersburg, which in 2018 had a homicide rate nearly ten times that of the state overall, with 45 homicides per 100,000. Other especially violent cities (proportionally speaking) were Danville, Portsmouth, Norfolk, Newport News, and Hampton. These can be contrasted with some large cities with very few homicides, including Charlottesville and Virginia Beach.

Source: Table 8, Offenses Known to Law Enforcement, by City (2018)
And, of course, the FBI report lists more than one hundred Virginia cities—ranging in size from 300 to 44,000 residents—with zero homicides.
What would homicide rates look like in Virginia without some of these cities?
Well, according to the FBI's report, there were 391 total homicides in Virginia in 2018. Of those, 122 were in the Virginia Beach-Norfolk metro area, and 100 were in the Richmond metro area. These two metros alone contributed more than half (57 percent) of all the state's homicides. Combined, these two metros (which amount to only 2.9 million of the state's 8.5 million residents) had more homicides than all the rest of the state.

Source: Table 6, Crime in the US by Metropolitan Statistical Area (2018)
By removing just these two metro areas from Virginia, the homicide rate for the remainder of the state would be reduced from 4.6 per 100,000 to 3 per 100,000.
Political Implications
Since Democrats won a majority in both houses of the state legislature last election day, legislators have begun to push through new restrictions on gun ownership in Virginia. Proposals include limiting the number of guns bought per month, a ban on "assault" weapons, and so-called red flag laws.
Supporters insist the laws are necessary for the safety of residents statewide. But it is unclear that the issue of homicides in Virginia ought to be addressed by statewide policies.
The new push for gun control in the state has been pushed largely by advocates claiming the new measures are necessary to prevent shootings like the 2019 Virginia Beach mass shooting. It is unclear why any of the proposed rules would address the factors behind the Virginia Beach shooting given that the shooter had no criminal record. Moreover, it is clear that the overwhelming majority of homicides in the state are ordinary homicides tied to specific areas and municipalities—and the conditions therein.
If policymakers wish to address these issues, it is not at all clear why general statewide legislation would provide any solutions. After all, as we have discovered in a great many local governments, policies tends to focus on nonviolent crime, with most resources devoted to petty drug enforcement or similar infractions. In Baltimore, for example, the police department assigns less than three percent of its police force to homicide investigations. Yet, this sort of neglect by city personnel has been shown to be a key factor in fostering an environment of lawlessness.
Moreover, since we have no data on how often firearms are used to deter crime, it is impossible to know what the likely effect of additional prohibitions on legal gun ownership will be.
Not surprisingly, however, state lawmakers have taken the easy way out. Rather than address the serious and unexciting steps necessary to truly address violence at the local level, policymakers have opted to do the politically expedient thing and pass statewide laws designed to pander to specific interest groups. Whether or not these laws have the desired effect, of course, is politically unimportant. Some politicians have decided that it is "worth it" to burden much of the state's population—millions of whom own firearms without ever using them for violent ends—with a wide array of new regulations that could render many residents criminals for owning devices which had been purchased legally in the recent past.