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What was John Lennon Saying?

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I was listening to this just now and was inclined to get opinions on the message Lennon was sharing. I'm sure there could be a very wide and diverse perception of the lyrical meaning.
Share your thoughts! I'll say what I was thinking later in the thread, so as to not front load it.
Thanks,
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Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds, for all?
 

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[Verse 1]
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky
Imagine all the people living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people living life in peace
You...

[Chorus]
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

[Verse 2]
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world

[Chorus]
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one
 

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IIRC

This song was written using Buddhism as an inspiration
 

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Just a hippie tripping on about utopia. Nothing more
There has been at least 35 attempts of community utopias in the United States. Only FIVE are active today.
This does NOT include Shaker/Quakers, Amish, and Mennonite Communities.

So, The PROGS' " Useful Idiots " wanting the US to be a utopian society as pretty much been a bust historically.
 
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No religion = no limits
No borders = tolerance like Germany & Sweden have now or bathrooms........ I wonder what he would write about transgenders......
Join us = "the enlightened ones"

Utopia where no one works or farms or has any possessions...... think public housing & busses. But John who's going to build, maintain, pay for this?

Written by a drugged out multi millionaire that didn't have to work or worry about bills.
Funny he didn't give away his music, his money and all earthly possessions........ sorry John kinda hard to join ya if I want my kids to eat.
 

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He was saying how that all the worlds problems would be solved if everyone was athiest and there were no governments or private property.

He was glorifying communism.

Problem is there is something called scarcity and that makes communism unworkable.
 

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Amerika, Land of the enslaved, all paying homage to the corporations and .gov.
Where you are granted Liberty at a level only tolerated, and where Freedom is just a word.
Rah Rahh, Shish Boom Bahh
1. Name me a better place to be "enslaved".
2. Why are you not there ?

At least in Amerika the people are working at losing their chains, at least the Fly-Over Country is. Coastal PROGS enjoy their enslaved Useful Idiots and the idiots know no better.
 

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Most of the world's problems stem from religion and government fighting to show whose idea is "right".
No property, no possesions, no ownership, nobody trying to "get theirs".

Without all these ideas, there's nothing to kill or die for, everybody would just live for the moment, for the basics of life. Food, shelter, companionship.

The only problem is that isn't how humans are wired. Might as well be wishing all women looked like Sophia Loren and all men were built like Stallone. We just aren't made that way.
 

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Most of the world's problems stem from religion and government fighting to show whose idea is "right".
No property, no possesions, no ownership, nobody trying to "get theirs".

Without all these ideas, there's nothing to kill or die for, everybody would just live for the moment, for the basics of life. Food, shelter, companionship.

The only problem is that isn't how humans are wired. Might as well be wishing all women looked like Sophia Loren and all men were built like Stallone. We just aren't made that way.
The irony (or maybe not) in your statement, which mirrors Lennon's, issues that society's like this have been tried and the resulted in the bloodiest, most murderous regimes in all of human history. And aside from that, hopeless, drab lives of nothingness.
 

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That.....was......AWESOME.

In a 'how did that ever happen in public' sort of way. You've got to wonder what John thought of that. She, obviously delusional and completely devoid of talent. I mean, not one fiber of her can sing or has any sense of how to sing. Mark Chapman could have shot her and the judge would have given him a 6 month probation and everyone would have nodded in agreement.
 

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He was saying how that all the worlds problems would be solved if everyone was athiest and there were no governments or private property.

He was glorifying communism.

Problem is there is something called scarcity and that makes communism unworkable.
I call it the communist theme song.
 

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Religion was the earliest form of controlling men.
 

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I was listening to this just now and was inclined to get opinions on the message Lennon was sharing. I'm sure there could be a very wide and diverse perception of the lyrical meaning.
Share your thoughts! I'll say what I was thinking later in the thread, so as to not front load it.
Thanks,
Ironpig
It's atheist nihilism mixed with universalism. The simpler way to describe it is... communism. The utopia he describes in the lyrics is literally communism and nothing else.

Looks great on paper and in song lyrics but in the real world all its ever resulted in is eliminating the middle class and expanding the lower class into a giant slave plantation to be ruled over by a tiny 1% of greedy pricks at the top.

He was a commie millionaire. Stop and think how incommensurate those two things really are for a second. If he had ever had to have his privileged, filthy rich nose rubbed in communism or multiculturalism he wouldn't be singing the praises of it.
 

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I was listening to this just now and was inclined to get opinions on the message Lennon was sharing. I'm sure there could be a very wide and diverse perception of the lyrical meaning.
Share your thoughts!
Ironpig
The first stage in any song writing is the music, the writer gets that perfect and then uses whatever lyrics fit the music. They might have a theme, but it's not like the writing a decent essay.
 

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Here's my thought. John lennon was a "Globalist" he was trying to persuade us to literally "join" him in this movement. I'll never know if that's the point. I really can't say it's true. With all the Global Horse puckey going on these days ya nevah know !
 

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Musos write music, poets compose verse, and philosophers put forward deep and meaningful concepts that define and portray our societies. You can't do all 3 well and what musos do is write a great song then add whatever lyrics fit into it. These lyrics are usually meaningless crap, or at best simple childish dreams.
 

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He was saying how that all the worlds problems would be solved if everyone was athiest and there were no governments or private property.

He was glorifying communism.

Problem is there is something called scarcity and that makes communism unworkable.
And the desire to progress is a human trait, and will never be stamped out.
 

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They would have dried up and blown away if it weren't for George Martin their producer.
 

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It's easy to be a communist when you're a western millionaire. He wouldn't have lasted six months in soviet russia, his wife would have sent to a gulag the day she arrived.
 

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I was listening to this just now and was inclined to get opinions on the message Lennon was sharing. I'm sure there could be a very wide and diverse perception of the lyrical meaning.
Share your thoughts! I'll say what I was thinking later in the thread, so as to not front load it.
Thanks,
Ironpig
It was and is the Siren song of the god of this world. The ultimate lie from the Liar In Chief, reiterated for the millionth time in a modern way and John was the tool to deliver it to the world. After John's "Watching The Wheels" John was no longer a useful tool and beyond repair as the song made clear, time to dispose of him which happened. Instant Karma, eh. All the world heard of it. Very few understood then and few understand today.

I do not have a copy of this song on any of my playlists. I listen to the radio as I drive and if this song comes on, to this day I will immediately change the station or shut the radio off.
 

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Written and performed by a guy who once rolled drunks in Hamburg.

Imagine how your view changes once you a a multi-millionaire.


Ten Years After [Elvis]
I'd Love to Save the World



Everywhere is freaks and hairies
Dykes and fairies, tell me where is sanity
Tax the rich, feed the poor
Till there are no rich no more?

I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you

Population keeps on breeding
Nation bleeding, still more feeding economy
Life is funny, skies are sunny
Bees make honey, who needs money, Monopoly

I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you

World pollution, there's no solution
Institution, electrocution
Just black and white, rich or poor
Them and us, stop the war

I'd love to change the world
But I don't know what to do
So I'll leave it up to you
 

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It was and is the Siren song of the god of this world. The ultimate lie from the Liar In Chief, reiterated for the millionth time in a modern way and John was the tool to deliver it to the world. After John's "Watching The Wheels" John was no longer a useful tool and beyond repair as the song made clear, time to dispose of him which happened. Instant Karma, eh. All the world heard of it. Very few understood then and few understand today.

I do not have a copy of this song on any of my playlists. I listen to the radio as I drive and if this song comes on, to this day I will immediately change the station or shut the radio off.
Me too. Can't stand that song. Its like the idealizations of a 14 year old girl. The irony is that these people would have you shot if you took their stuff.
 

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[Verse 1]
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us, only sky
Imagine all the people living for today
Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people living life in peace
You...

[Chorus]
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will be as one

[Verse 2]
Imagine no possessions
I wonder if you can
No need for greed or hunger
A brotherhood of man
Imagine all the people sharing all the world

[Chorus]
You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope some day you'll join us
And the world will live as one
The song "Imagine" tells us some things about John Lennon. John lennon was a Believer in Jesus Christ, but I won't say he was a Christian.

And he was a Socialist.

In this song, He asks us to imagine there is no Heaven or Hell. He must have believed in Heaven and Hell, otherwise, we wouldn't be asked to imagine a world without them!

He asks "Imagine all the people living for today". This is precisely what Jesus taught his followers: "Take nothing for the morrow."

But what about the "Nothing to kill or die for - And no religion, too"? Here he is talking about organized religion. He acknowledged the atrocities committed by Islam and Catholicism.

Lennon asks us to "Imagine no possessions". In Socialism the State owns everything.
 

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The song "Imagine" tells us some things about John Lennon. John lennon was a Believer in Jesus Christ, but I won't say he was a Christian.

And he was a Socialist.

In this song, He asks us to imagine there is no Heaven or Hell. He must have believed in Heaven and Hell, otherwise, we wouldn't be asked to imagine a world without them!

He asks "Imagine all the people living for today". This is precisely what Jesus taught his followers: "Take nothing for the morrow."

But what about the "Nothing to kill or die for - And no religion, too"? Here he is talking about organized religion. He acknowledged the atrocities committed by Islam and Catholicism.

Lennon asks us to "Imagine no possessions". In Socialism the State owns everything.

You are grasping through the bars of presented reality, interpreting through applied vision.
No offense, we all do.
Read; "The Power of Now" consider and comprehend how in todays Matrix only portions may be gained, or imagined.
Separately, empty counters completely, clear walls of everything, and clear ones path physically and mentally.
Attempt to label a dead mans language, while surrounded by Matrix, removes imagination and reinforces trained memory and the super ego.
My walls are clear, counters, season change occupied, paths clear, and billions of others do not give a shit !
I laugh, and attempt to breathe in and smile together - Dali Lama
Not much time left, ever.
But the time between notes is most important.