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Why Libertarian Jo Jorgensen is the Best Candidate

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This guy makes a strong case that Libertarian principles are the best for the USA over the long-term, and that the establishment parties are fundamentally flawed at this point.

 
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Many strong points

cease the war on drugs and mass incarceration, stop wasting money on big education and stop the endless wars.

i was with him until he said “so we can invest that money in the nation” (around min 17)

I just can’t use my vote for protesting. If I voted for jo I’m helping the leftist Marxists
 

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I need to vote, so libertarian sounds good,
 

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No!
 

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nothing new -- libertarians routinely have the best candidate. but that's more of a comment on the pathetic candidates of the other parties
 

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Didn't watch the vid yet, but does it mention this?

Libertarian Party Presidential Candidate Praises Company For Firing Woman Who Posted “All Lives Matter” on Facebook

Move over Gary Johnson, there’s a new idiot in town.

Paul Joseph Watson | Infowars.com - August 5, 2020

Libertarian Party presidential nominee Jo Jorgensen praised a company for firing an employee who had posted “all lives matter” on her private Facebook page as an example of the free market standing up against “systemic racism.”

Normally I'd be in support of the Libertarian candidate, but in light of the above, I don't see how anyone can be this election.
 

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nothing new -- libertarians routinely have the best candidate. but that's more of a comment on the pathetic candidates of the other parties
Yeah. I'll have to remember that the next time they're arguing about how to have Open Borders and whether traffic signals are Constitutional.

They're circus clowns - I swear to God, they're just putting on a floor show to entertain the few that involve themselves with that party.
 

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Didn't watch the vid yet, but does it mention this?




Normally I'd be in support of the Libertarian candidate, but in light of the above, I don't see how anyone can be this election.
Libertarians are just another political party like Democrats and Republicans. They're nothing special, no matter what they tell you
 

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Libertarians are just another political party like Democrats and Republicans. They're nothing special, no matter what they tell you
A political party is a tool. The work involved in running for regional or national office, is so onerous that even a large group of friends and paid assistants couldn't do it all.

That's what the party does.

It's a tool; and some tools work better than others. A political party has a pre-disposed support base; it has a vetting procedure; and it has experience in raising funds.

Someone who has a message people want, should use the successful party he's most amenable with. And if he doesn't resonate with the party...his message, or his competence or personal appeal, should be given some self-examination.

Third parties remain third parties for a reason. The one third party that became a mainstream party, the post-Whig Republican Party, did so because its message was both of broad appeal and timely.
 

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A political party is a tool. The work involved in running for regional or national office, is so onerous that even a large group of friends and paid assistants couldn't do it all.

That's what the party does.

It's a tool; and some tools work better than others. A political party has a pre-disposed support base; it has a vetting procedure; and it has experience in raising funds.

Someone who has a message people want, should use the successful party he's most amenable with. And if he doesn't resonate with the party...his message, or his competence or personal appeal, should be given some self-examination.

Third parties remain third parties for a reason. The one third party that became a mainstream party, the post-Whig Republican Party, did so because its message was both of broad appeal and timely.
Those who align with a political party are part of the problem
 

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Didn't watch the vid yet, but does it mention this?

Normally I'd be in support of the Libertarian candidate, but in light of the above, I don't see how anyone can be this election.
Do you agree 100% with every word that Trump says?

Not "jo-king", just askin'. :D
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Do you agree 100% with every word that Trump says?

Not "jo-king", just askin'. :D
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Either you're for America or your not. Political parties are destroying the country. They must be done away with and replaced by American patriots
 

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Third parties remain third parties for a reason. The one third party that became a mainstream party, the post-Whig Republican Party, did so because its message was both of broad appeal and timely.
Third parties remain third parties because the Two Parties blatantly and unconstitutionally discriminate against them. The Donkeys and Elephants, hand in hand, passed ridiculous ballot access laws that give themselves a free pass but impose onerous requirements on everybody but themselves.

Libertarian or Green candidates can't get into the national presidential debates because they don't get 15% in the polls, but they aren't even included in most polls, so it's a fail-safe Catch 22 win for the Deep State.
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That’s fallacious thinking in my opinion.

first, can’t or won’t Vote aren’t a consideration definitionally.
second, using you numbers look at the spread between D and R and tell me again the L slice isn’t eroding in nature

im not trying to tell anyone else what to do but I’m dealing with reality and not wasting my vote on L

look at what Jill Stein did last cycle
 

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Either you're for America or your not. Political parties are destroying the country. They must be done away with and replaced by American patriots
I agree, and so did Washington, Jefferson and Adams in particular, who warned about the evils of organized political parties.
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That’s fallacious thinking in my opinion.

first, can’t or won’t Vote aren’t a consideration definitionally.
second, using you numbers look at the spread between D and R and tell me again the L slice isn’t eroding in nature

im not trying to tell anyone else what to do but I’m dealing with reality and not wasting my vote on L

look at what Jill Stein did last cycle
Fine, you can haggle about the definition of Can't or Won't vote, but it's orders of magnitude bigger than the 2.2% who voted Libertarian, Green, Constitution or Other.

The D and R don't own or control the Other 2.2%. They didn't earn those votes.
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Yeah. I'll have to remember that the next time they're arguing about how to have Open Borders and whether traffic signals are Constitutional.

They're circus clowns - I swear to God, they're just putting on a floor show to entertain the few that involve themselves with that party.
and where does your red/blue party stand on THE key issue -- the money and monetary system (the wellspring of the exact evils that you fear)?

it funds/entices the border jumpers, it funds the spy grid, it funds the welfare and warfare states.....much more
 
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I agree, and so did Washington, Jefferson and Adams in particular, who warned about the evils of organized political parties.
Just to emphasize that point...

"The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty." -George Washington


"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leader, and concerting measures in opposition to each other. This, in my humble apprehension, is to be dreaded as the greatest political evil under our Constitution." -John Adams


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Do you agree 100% with every word that Trump says?

Not "jo-king", just askin'. :D
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No, but if Trump started supporting blm crapola, I'd say the same about him.
 

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Either you're for America or your not. Political parties are destroying the country. They must be done away with and replaced by American patriots

There is no way not to have them. They're here; they're in European parliamentary democracies; they are even in some soft tyrannies.

Political parties, or "factions" as the Framers spoke of them, are a reality of the system.

Forcibly outlaw them, and you don't have no parties - you have ONE party. Such as the National Socialists and the Communists have.
 

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This sums up the whole phony anti-Libertarian wasted vote argument.

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I guess the lesson of 1992 has been forgotten.

Ross Perot, fake candidate. The two parties put up two mediocrities; and the voters were repulsed. On the surface, Perot looked like...like Trump did, 24 years later. Superficially they had much in common; and that was part of the reason many conservatives were reluctant supporters of Trump.

But Perot had a secret. He had a hatred of the House of Shrub; and that's well and good. But he'd long-ago allied himself with Bubba and Felonia - and was going to do a number to bounce the election into his lap, erect organ and all.

That was the purpose - to break off a big part of GHW's voting base, and thus leave the lockstep Dumbo cRats, to win.

Unfortunately for Ross, he started polling higher than EITHER of those. That was NOT what he wanted.

That was why his erratic pull-out and then bounce-in. He had to convince some of his new supporters that he was crazy.

And it worked. Perot, out and then in, came in third. But none had a majority.

Billary had a FORTY-TWO PERCENT share of the popular vote. And no, there was no screaming support for the Dual Airbags. Bubba was a little more popular than Michael Dukakis; but just a little.

Even the newspapers didn't like him. That, FWIW, was the last time the mediuh ever expressed dislike of a Democrat.

So. Want to do that again? Joe and Hoe are, literally, dangerous to this nation. Trump is not. Trump is only clueless in terms of sound money - and medical technology. Even with that, he's been one of the better modern Presidents.

Want to see what's left of the nation's wealth stripped from whites who never owned slaves, and given to whiny, violent blacks who were never slaves? That's what Joe-Hoe will do for us. And force us all into face diapers until we revolt.
 

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I just can’t use my vote for protesting. If I voted for jo I’m helping the leftist Marxists
Exactly, Libertarian ideals will not fix the country in it's current state. A fractured society such as the one we are living in can't be "fixed" at the ballot box. Vote for Jo if you like, but in the end you will be helping Joe.

The question you should ask is: If the nation falls into civil war which leader would you prefer to be the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces?
 

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Also, look at how Trump has been treated by those in DC. Send Jo in there and she'd end up getting even more thrown at her than he did.
 

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Send Jo in there and she'd end up getting even more thrown at her than he did.
At least she holds the guiding principles of limited government on which to act.

The question you should ask is: If the nation falls into civil war which leader would you prefer to be the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces?
That's easy, Jo Jorgensen.
 

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Exactly, Libertarian ideals will not fix the country in it's current state. A fractured society such as the one we are living in can't be "fixed" at the ballot box. Vote for Jo if you like, but in the end you will be helping Joe.

The question you should ask is: If the nation falls into civil war which leader would you prefer to be the Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces?
libertarian ideals fail unless/until honest money is restored

their views get jumbled up in absence of sequencing -- which makes them sound retarded in this shyster monetary system

killing the bank and their scrip is a prereq to restoring liberty, not just a bullet point listed alongside the other issues
 

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I guess the lesson of 1992 has been forgotten.

Ross Perot, fake candidate. The two parties put up two mediocrities; and the voters were repulsed. On the surface, Perot looked like...like Trump did, 24 years later. Superficially they had much in common; and that was part of the reason many conservatives were reluctant supporters of Trump.

But Perot had a secret. He had a hatred of the House of Shrub; and that's well and good. But he'd long-ago allied himself with Bubba and Felonia - and was going to do a number to bounce the election into his lap, erect organ and all.

That was the purpose - to break off a big part of GHW's voting base, and thus leave the lockstep Dumbo cRats, to win.

Unfortunately for Ross, he started polling higher than EITHER of those. That was NOT what he wanted.

That was why his erratic pull-out and then bounce-in. He had to convince some of his new supporters that he was crazy.

And it worked. Perot, out and then in, came in third. But none had a majority.

Billary had a FORTY-TWO PERCENT share of the popular vote. And no, there was no screaming support for the Dual Airbags. Bubba was a little more popular than Michael Dukakis; but just a little.

Even the newspapers didn't like him. That, FWIW, was the last time the mediuh ever expressed dislike of a Democrat.

So. Want to do that again? Joe and Hoe are, literally, dangerous to this nation. Trump is not. Trump is only clueless in terms of sound money - and medical technology. Even with that, he's been one of the better modern Presidents.

Want to see what's left of the nation's wealth stripped from whites who never owned slaves, and given to whiny, violent blacks who were never slaves? That's what Joe-Hoe will do for us. And force us all into face diapers until we revolt.
Trump is "only" clueless about sound money? (and medical tech)

As if not having sound money is just some minor little annoyance like a mosquito bite. It is phony fiat FRN "dollars" conjured up out of thin air with a computer mouse that enables and facilitates ALL the other crap that both Democraps and Republicans shove down our throats.
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Trump is "only" clueless about sound money? (and medical tech)

As if not having sound money is just some minor little annoyance like a mosquito bite. It is phony fiat FRN "dollars" conjured up out of thin air with a computer mouse that enables and facilitates ALL the other crap that both Democraps and Republicans shove down our throats.
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Is there popular support for sound money, now?

Have you seen it? Look...I support a return to a gold standard and abolition of the Fed. But doing so would be EXTREMELY painful, financially, economically. I get it. The average bleating sheeple-voter does NOT.

Nobody is going to win this election, or any election prior to a dollar-crash, with a pledge of sound money.

So how are you going to get a win with a political stance that costs, that few want?

How is Trump - who does not understand interest, sound money, Central Banks - any different than any other President since Nixon, and many before?
 

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Why assume Trump doesn't understand interest, sound money, or the dangers inherent in centralized banking? I believe the president understands all of these things. That doesn't of course mean he's willing or able to change them mind you. He's president because he has popular appeal. Telling dub sheeple that their economic system is corrupt and failing, would likely have cost him the election.
 

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When the outcome of national elections is decided by the owners of the company that manufactures electronic voting machines, what difference does it make who the candidates are? They are merely hood ornaments.
 

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At least she holds the guiding principles of limited government on which to act.
So her Burn/Loot/Murder support means nothing? If she were to get elected, she'd go right along with their marxist agenda.
 

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Her stance on a company firing an employee for making social media posts about "all lives matter" shows she actually isn't much of a Libertarian.
That may not be her actual stance. Given everything else we know about her, I doubt that it is. The source that I saw making the claim that she is against All Lives Matter is Paul Joseph Watson, who works for Alex Jones. I think her position is that a private company has the right to fire an employee for any reason.
 
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Is there popular support for sound money, now?

Have you seen it? Look...I support a return to a gold standard and abolition of the Fed. But doing so would be EXTREMELY painful, financially, economically. I get it. The average bleating sheeple-voter does NOT.

Nobody is going to win this election, or any election prior to a dollar-crash, with a pledge of sound money.

So how are you going to get a win with a political stance that costs, that few want?

How is Trump - who does not understand interest, sound money, Central Banks - any different than any other President since Nixon, and many before?
i didn't say there was popular support for sound money. And I didn't say we would get a win. OK?

I agree, Trump doesn't support it. And Biden doesn't even know that there is a Fed.

It makes little difference who wins. Maybe a Biden win will get us that dollar crash sooner, and get us on the path to sanity quicker.
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Maybe Hoarder is right and a computer system rigs it all. Or, maybe many of the electors of the electoral college are bought and paid for. I don't know. Either way, "your vote" for POTUS is nothing more than a recommendation unless your state electors are required by law to vote with the popular vote.

As of right now, the Libertarian platform is the most closely aligned with the traditional American mission statement of limited government instituted to protect the individual. At least by voting Libertarian you're forcing principled ideas to be heard, and in the long-term only the concept of limited government can save the USA. Note that I said the ideas. If a Republican, Democrat, or independent had good enough ideas, I would support them. For example, I would vote for Rand Paul if he were the Republican nominee because he does believe in limited government, and his voting record proves it.

While I understand that people adore Trump for his quick put downs of CNN reporters, he clearly does not think in terms of the government's role being limited to protecting the rights of the individual. His funding and support of the surveillance programs, reckless spending on a multitude of federal programs, bailouts of mega-corps, and nationalization of certain companies via the coronavirus threat, all reveal it.
 
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i didn't say there was popular support for sound money. And I didn't say we would get a win. OK?
So. You pull votes from the rational major-party candidate; and give them to a predisposed loser (that's the reality, no matter the worth of the ideas) leaving the dementia patient and the crazy whore's support, untouched.

You repeat 1992. And then in January, we have the ACA Mandate reimposed. We have mandatory face-diapers EVERYWHERE. We have HCL treatments for Beer Flu, banned.

We have MOAR printed-up money given to those who look like slaves dead 200 years - this free New Money, debases the value of what you worked for and tried to save.

We have E15 mandated - and no more state exceptions. Wait until you see what E15 gasohol does to your car, and other power products.

We have smartmeters tattling on people who keep their houses "too" cool or warm. And we get Digital Dollars - tied to a Chip, the Mark of the Beast.

That sound like a desirable outcome?

I agree, Trump doesn't support it. And Biden doesn't even know that there is a Fed.

It makes little difference who wins. Maybe a Biden win will get us that dollar crash sooner, and get us on the path to sanity quicker.
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We've seen how Trump does it. Not badly - better than at least half of modern Presidents.

And he keeps his word. As someone who depends on the VA for medical care - denied access during the Reign of Hussein - it's personal.

He hasn't been able to undo the whole of the ACA because he has the Circle D Congress as blood enemies. But he's gotten a fair amount done, considering the obstacles put in his path.

I just outlined some of the insanity that's coming if/when this current crop of D screwballs gets power. Money destroyed and energy forbidden. Goobermint Healf Kair. Access to EVERYTHING, dependent on skin color and genitalia - and White Males will be last in line for everything.

That's a big difference.
 

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We have MOAR printed-up money given to those who look like slaves dead 200 years - this free New Money, debases the value of what you worked for and tried to save.
Everything Trump's done has created more inflation. He promoted it by calling for lower interest rates. Then he signed off on the biggest federal spending bill in history, and then he signed off on the bailouts.
 
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