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Free forever, or until the end of the supported lifetime of the device. What's that, you ask? How does MS define "supported lifetime of the device"? That looks like a mystery for now, and MS is in no rush to clarify. There is more about that in the link below.

http://www.computerworld.com/articl...crosoft-goes-vague-on-windows-10-support.html

The big news that MS has clarified is that W10 will be a free download beginning July 29. A 3GB download. For most of the computers running W7 or W8. I can just imagine how fast :sarc: that download will be.

I do not automatically receive updates of W7 because the early updates can have bugs that take some time to sort out. I usually wait a few weeks before I do the Windows updates. I intend to wait for several months so that MS can work out a few"issues" before I download an ISO to install.

For those who are more "adventurous", and who want to be ready to install W10 immediately on 7/29, there is a reserve system that can deliver an early version of W10 to your computer before 7/29 so you can be among the earliest to experience the "joys" of trying a new OS. The link below offers more information about that reserve system. The comments in that link are well worth the time to read.

http://dottech.org/182602/how-to-reserve-a-free-copy-of-windows-10-for-pc-tip/
 

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I wouldn't want to be in the first group testing it out, but I don't see much harm in it. Supported life time of the device sounds like they are suggesting that windows will be tied to the device. That is a common thing that they don't want you taking a single copy and installing it on multiple computers. I suppose there might also be some time in the future, where your computer may become so old and obsolete that it can no longer physically run a fully updated windows system, in which case they will probably tell you that you are out of luck.

How, it is unlikely that windows will become so advanced that any computer now couldn't run it within any reasonable amount of time. Though I suppose it will eventually happen. It more likely your computer will just break before then though.
 

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I am downloading the setup file for Windows 10 now. I will also download the ISO. This page gives the details about downloading the setup for installation later:

http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10?OCID=WIP_r_Win10_Body_AddPC

I am not in a rush to actually install the upgrade. I plan to wait quite a while to see if there are major revisions. But my computer is having software issues, so i want to have the download in case I need it.
 
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Things people are not liking about 10.

* IIS web server being installed by default. Perhaps you didn't want your computer to be on the web. Tough titty kitty.

* OneDrive - Cant shut it off / only able to hide icon. Requires creating of a system policy to prevent access to it. Background services running that are dependent on it.

* Cortana/BING - Cant shut it down. Can only hide. Reg-hacks to remove, but breaks a pile of other things. "Windows Protection" rebuilds it.

* Location services enabled by default.

* Apps have carte blanche access by default to webcam, microphone, and outlook contacts.

* XBOX - Can't disable.

* Can't remove "Edge' and OneNote
 

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Things people are not liking about 10.

* IIS web server being installed by default. Perhaps you didn't want your computer to be on the web. Tough titty kitty.

* OneDrive - Cant shut it off / only able to hide icon. Requires creating of a system policy to prevent access to it. Background services running that are dependent on it.

* Cortana/BING - Cant shut it down. Can only hide. Reg-hacks to remove, but breaks a pile of other things. "Windows Protection" rebuilds it.

* Location services enabled by default.

* Apps have carte blanche access by default to webcam, microphone, and outlook contacts.

* XBOX - Can't disable.

* Can't remove "Edge' and OneNote
How else will Skynet be able to access everyone's machines unless they're all available to it

Think about it!!
 

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Windows 10 is free malware:

http://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.html

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Microsoft Back Doors

Microsoft Windows has a universal back door through which any change whatsoever can be imposed on the users.

In Windows 10, the universal back door is no longer hidden; all “upgrades” will be forcibly and immediately imposed.

Windows 8 also has a back door for remotely deleting apps.

Windows 8's back doors are so gaping that the German government has decided it can't be trusted.​

Microsoft Sabotage

Microsoft informs the NSA of bugs in Windows before fixing them.​

Microsoft Surveillance

Microsoft uses Windows 10's “privacy policy” to overtly impose a “right” to look at users' files at any time. Windows 10 full disk encryption gives Microsoft a key.

The unique “advertising ID” for each user enables other companies to track the browsing of each specific user.

It's as if Microsoft has deliberately chosen to make Windows 10 maximally evil on every dimeinsion.

Windows 10 requires users to give permission for total snooping, including their files, their commands, their text input, and their voice input.

Spyware in Windows: Windows Update snoops on the user. Windows 8.1 snoops on local searches. And there's a secret NSA key in Windows, whose functions we don't know.

Microsoft SkyDrive allows the NSA to directly examine users' data.​

Microsoft Jails

Windows 8 on “mobile devices” is a jail: it censors the user's choice of application programs.
Microsoft Tyrants

Mobile devices that come with Windows 8 are tyrants: they block users from installing other or modified operating systems.​
 

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Windows 10 is free malware:

http://www.gnu.org/proprietary/malware-microsoft.html

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Microsoft Back Doors

Microsoft Windows has a universal back door through which any change whatsoever can be imposed on the users.

In Windows 10, the universal back door is no longer hidden; all “upgrades” will be forcibly and immediately imposed.

Windows 8 also has a back door for remotely deleting apps.

Windows 8's back doors are so gaping that the German government has decided it can't be trusted.​

Microsoft Sabotage

Microsoft informs the NSA of bugs in Windows before fixing them.​

Microsoft Surveillance

Microsoft uses Windows 10's “privacy policy” to overtly impose a “right” to look at users' files at any time. Windows 10 full disk encryption gives Microsoft a key.

The unique “advertising ID” for each user enables other companies to track the browsing of each specific user.

It's as if Microsoft has deliberately chosen to make Windows 10 maximally evil on every dimeinsion.

Windows 10 requires users to give permission for total snooping, including their files, their commands, their text input, and their voice input.

Spyware in Windows: Windows Update snoops on the user. Windows 8.1 snoops on local searches. And there's a secret NSA key in Windows, whose functions we don't know.

Microsoft SkyDrive allows the NSA to directly examine users' data.​

Microsoft Jails

Windows 8 on “mobile devices” is a jail: it censors the user's choice of application programs.
Microsoft Tyrants

Mobile devices that come with Windows 8 are tyrants: they block users from installing other or modified operating systems.​
All this information can't be wrong, can it?
 

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How do you uninstall ALL traces of this Windows 10 crap:s15:
 
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Got the notices to upgrade for free. Free! No thanks 7 actually works.

XP and 7 work, hmmm, 2 out of 10 ain't bad huh?
 

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You would have to be an idiot to take this offer......
 

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You would have to be an idiot to take this offer......
There are those that swear by Windows....because they don't know anything else. The vast majority of people use Windows and will be led by the nose ring by MS and the government
 

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There are those that swear by Windows....because they don't know anything else. The vast majority of people use Windows and will be led by the nose ring by MS and the government

Sad, but true. I guess they need to be ahead of the curve to make sure their Twitter/Facebook accounts will still function under the new spy features incorporated into this one......
 

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Sad, but true. I guess they need to be ahead of the curve to make sure their Twitter/Facebook accounts will still function under the new spy features incorporated into this one......
Precisely! Social media is the devil and a two edged sword. On one hand it enhances communication between all the people of the country and the world to a level never seen before in history, on the other hand it provides a portal into everyone's personal life...a portal that .gov is only too happy to exploit!
 

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A 3GB download. For most of the computers running W7 or W8. I can just imagine how fast :sarc: that download will be.
I purchased and downloaded GTA V from Steam, it's about 61GB. :D

Honestly, all things considered, it didn't take long. It finished overnight if I remember correctly.
 

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Got the notices to upgrade for free. Free! No thanks 7 actually works.

XP and 7 work, hmmm, 2 out of 10 ain't bad huh?
In my experience, you should skip approx every other version of MS OS's....was true for DOS too best I recall...

Bill-Gates-Count-to-10-Windows-Meme1.jpg
 

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Your PC must be shot, burned and the ashes dissolved in sulfuric acid until all traces of Windows 10 are gone
I think you are right, this crap keeps coming back...
 

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GWX (get windows 10 free) is taking up 49MB of my hard drive space, came on a MS windows update on 7/11/2015 called KB3035583. Can not get rid of it? Any help?
 

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GWX (get windows 10 free) is taking up 49MB of my hard drive space, came on a MS windows update on 7/11/2015 called KB3035583. Can not get rid of it? Any help?
Probably a lot of members more computer savvy than me but can you

- open "control panel"

- go to "programs & features"

- click on to "uninstall a program"

- delete it

Just a thought. Good luck.

Edit: Look around here http://www.bing.com/search?q=delete gwx&PQ=deleting GWX&SP=1&QS=SC&SK=&sc=6-10&form=HPNTSS&pc=HPNTDF You might find something that helps.
 

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Probably a lot of members more computer savvy than me but can you

- open "control panel"

- go to "programs & features"



- click on to "uninstall a program"

- delete it

Just a thought. Good luck.

Have worked on it for hours??? will not go away. The f***ing trustedinstaller (BILL GATES) has seen to that?
 

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Sorry false alarm. this morning i found the MS update that installed KB3035583 and back it out. if i had rebooted then all would have been ok. So if you want to get rid of that get windows 10 free icon from your taskbar , delete MS windows update KB3035583 and reboot?????
 

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Meanwhile my Mac is humming along...no updates, no patches, no hotfixes..... Life is good when your computer is humming along :)
 

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GWX (get windows 10 free) is taking up 49MB of my hard drive space, came on a MS windows update on 7/11/2015 called KB3035583. Can not get rid of it? Any help?
At this point only a bath in sulfuric acid will cleanse what's left of your computer and remove you and your loved ones from the risk of total and complete digital annihilation at the hands of Bill Gates and his mindless drones.

(I laid it on pretty thick this time) :)
 

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So, I was excited about Windows 10 until I read it's really so much spyware. I decided to stay with Windows 7. Then I read the article below. Arghh!!

I guess too many people are saying NO! to the free Windows 10 spyware. Now Microsoft is going to slip the spyware into Windows 7 and 8 machines. ???
What are they thinking? Do they want to drive masses of people to Apple machines or what?

Microsoft slips user-tracking tools into Windows 7, 8 amidst Windows 10 privacy storm
Worried about Windows 10's deep-reaching user tracking? Some of it's coming to Windows 7 and 8, too.
Aug 31, 2015 by Brad Chacos, Senior Editor, PCWorld
http://www.pcworld.com/article/2978...dows-7-8-amidst-windows-10-privacy-storm.html


Do the Apple machines/operating systems have spyware in them also? If so, is it easier to turn off/remove than on Windows machines?

Any info would be appreciated.
 

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I do IT support for a living.

After going through the release notes and security issues, I have switched to Ubuntu Linux on a hardware-encrypted SSD.

I did install Windows 7 through Virtuabox for a few Windows-only programs I have, but it is locked down with many of the Windows services disabled.

I was surprised at how good desktop Linux has become:

- Installation of software has gotten much easier. Gone (mostly) are the days of compiling software to work with your build.
- My HP printer worked without a driver needing to be installed.
- The touchscreen on my laptop installed automatically with no additional drivers.
- I did not have any driver issues for anything that came with my laptop.
- WINE has gotten a lot better and supports a lot more software. It is possible to install Office and Internet Explorer on WINE without spending an entire day in the shell debugging obscure configuration files.
- Everything runs a good deal faster.
- LibreOffice is very fast and opens the new Office file formats, but formatting is not 100% perfect.
- I honestly think you could set a computer novice in front of an Ubuntu install and the learning curve (at least for GUI stuff) would be about the same as for Windows.
- I have Windows 7 open most of the day through Virtuabox and I do not notice any performance hit at all. I am running with 8GB RAM and I think having more than 4GB is key.

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I bought a new Windows 10 laptop before Christmas to have a backup for my Windows 7 laptop, and to see first hand more about Windows 10. So far, I like Windows 10 a lot. It feels almost like Windows 7, so there is almost no learning curve to be fully productive. All of my software (including one from 2001) work without problems in Windows 10.

I was as paranoid as everyone else about privacy, but Windows 10 is easily configured to avoid privacy problems. The Windows 10 laptop I bought last month came with an early version of Windows 10. I quickly followed web advice to improve the privacy options, and then I watched while Windows 10 downloaded and installed the newest version. After that version upgrade, I looked at the privacy settings again and they were all as I previously set them. There were a few new privacy options from the version upgrade, but they too were easily configured. I have almost all privacy options turned off, and Windows 10 works very well.

Even though I like Windows 7, I was concerned that security updates for that older system will end in 4 years, and it would be necessary to upgrade by then. Windows 10 is a free upgrade (from 7 and 8) for the next few months, but would be an added cost later. I decided to upgrade my Windows 7 to Windows 10. That upgrade process took a few hours, but it was otherwise painless. I now have two laptops running Windows 10, and I am happy that I made the upgrades to Windows 10. The older laptop had an annoying problem with Windows Explorer frequently crashing, and the upgrade to Windows 10 seems to have fixed that problem.

For anyone else who is on the fence about whether or not to upgrade to Windows 10, my experience tells me that the upgrade is good thing.
 

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The only 'windows' I own are the ones in my house. Anything so porous that it needs patching literally every week is not what I trust my data and private information to. Even at 'free' it's overpriced!
 

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If you are scared of Linus because it looks different there is a distro called Zorin. It's GUI looks exactly like Win right down to the start menu and colors. Perfect for people who want to transition. You can install it as a dual boot w/winders if you wish. All drivers work without disks, even my chepo brother laser printer.

Then when ya grow up you might like Linux Mint, my personal fav.