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Here's a snapshot of the type of exemplary attention to detail ain securing the roof down.

Couple years ago a destructive tornado passed just miles from here too...

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New,

whoever did that roof design just flat screwed it all up, what a mess

can't really tell, but you might want to consider bringing the taller roof over further until it gets past that inset area, then build your slopes to chase the water.

that way you have a L shape gutter rather than what exists,

and you are right, it is a whole mess of screwing around and even the fix isn't that good without major reconstruct.

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whoever did that roof design just flat screwed it all up, what a mess

can't really tell, but you might want to consider bringing the taller roof over further until it gets past that inset area, then build your slopes to chase the water.

that way you have a L shape gutter rather than what exists,

and you are right, it is a whole mess of screwing around and even the fix isn't that good without major reconstruct.

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Thanks for fast reply Scorp!

Yes, the L shape gutter was my plan too.

We're on the same page with that but I'm getting stuck at the upper side....gonna look for pic showing larger area... brb
 

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just bring the whole roof slope over until it intersects, and use that intersection as your valley follow line.

the other way is to take that whole higher roof over the other and clean it all up. But that too is a problem because of that trapped air space.
as stated, good grief what a mess.

dimwitted contractors and their lack of understanding how envelopes work, or don't work
scab something on here, scab another over there

but if one is good, and gives a whit, a addition won't even look like an addition, but as though it was part of the original design

I added another line on the previous to make sure you understood I wasn't saying 'tilt' the roof to intersect, just carry it over to move the valley intersect

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Sry, took a bit to find one. Changed contrast etc to help me visualize/draft easier.

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Also Scorpio,
Due to compound factors, we really need to cut any costs possible. That's why I'm trying to figure If I can do a minimalist version preferably close to something like this first pic.....these are my inspirations of sorts...
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what a mess!
Yep, can bet cost to finish is a big deal, ie affordability,

they had one turbine vent, but it is a really tight space, and tough to move air in, so anything you can add would help,
if they could afford ridge vent, do that

being limited on funding, just come up with a way to infill that pocket to get rid of that u shape,
if it leaks down in there, no harm as it is outside the building envelope, then you can make sure everything above it is sealed up
could be flat/angled/whatever to make it work
but I didn't say that
 

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what a mess!
Yep, can bet cost to finish is a big deal, ie affordability,

they had one turbine vent, but it is a really tight space, and tough to move air in, so anything you can add would help,
if they could afford ridge vent, do that

being limited on funding, just come up with a way to infill that pocket to get rid of that u shape,
if it leaks down in there, no harm as it is outside the building envelope, then you can make sure everything above it is sealed up
could be flat/angled/whatever to make it work
but I didn't say that
You know part of me wanted to do something like a "Yankee gutter".

Mind you, we still havent gotten over to the chimney area! Even MORE FUBAR'd, crackheaded engineering to deal with!*

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I think this is an uh...additional attic 'vent'"?

Maybe thats why you can see the roof when you touch the roof flashing from in the attic ..for "air flow". Lol

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The other(out) side of the wall:
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Chimney area coming up after I resolve the first nightmare...
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Her raging D-bag next door neighbors(similar age) admittedly stuff leaves into her contraption, we she paid some asshole like $850 for. Really pisses me off. The rampant fraud is sickening. Another asshole charged her $500 to install one of those cheap double louvered doors, which she already had on hand. As well as "repair a couple doors" (tighten a knob/latch?)which she said consisted of the guy and his kid helper leaving her with a doorknob that came off in her hand. Unbelievable....and he wanted to charge $600! But her sticker shock knocked of a hundred bucks....this before she knew of the fuckery. Oh yeah, and the louvered doors weren't done right either! Sm

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What I jokingly told her we should do... :p

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good grief man,
that poor gal has been sold some voodoo over the years

yes ma'am we can do that!
whatever you want

well, I want a fireplace right here,
no problem, we got this
 

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What a total mess that roof is!

Holy smokes! It's almost tear it off and build new rafters to fix the 'problem'....

Who was the genius that added that addition to it?

Hope you figure it out. Good thing she found you!
 

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good grief man,
that poor gal has been sold some voodoo over the years

yes ma'am we can do that!
whatever you want

well, I want a fireplace right here,
no problem, we got this
Then they turn around walking back to the truck....one guy says to the other, "Alright Clyde so howee gunna do this?"
"Quiet Billy I'm thinkin'!....alright, we got this...I'm fixin ta call up Larry-Jean. I seen him build a big ol fancy chicken coop outta twenty empty cartons of Marlboros & a buncha' empty beer cans. Yeah huh, an by golly he charged the lady $450. Sure did, I was with him when he cashed the check on our way ta the strip club."
 

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What a total mess that roof is!

Holy smokes! It's almost tear it off and build new rafters to fix the 'problem'....

Who was the genius that added that addition to it?

Hope you figure it out. Good thing she found you!
Ah yes...these are the eternal mysteries of who's journey I hath committed to answering even if it means scouring all ends of the Earth ultimately sacrificing my fleeting mortality!
 

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*Shocked face : O

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Also Scorpio,
Due to compound factors, we really need to cut any costs possible. That's why I'm trying to figure If I can do a minimalist version preferably close to something like this first pic.....these are my inspirations of sorts...
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Something like the first pic will work ...just get all the slope on it you can and ice n water shield it all....not much else you can do
 

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Misty, was that multiple additions or did it come out of the box that way? I'm with Tazz, best slope and ice and water shield... This points to a problem I'm seeing all over, inability to afford repairs. Been road tripping with misses last couple of months, never have I seen so many broken down vehicles, all sizes, shapes and colors. Name your state, SC, NC, TN, KY, IN, MI, OH, PA, WV, VA, FL, GA, AL.... vehicles on the side of the road, some tagged, some jacked, tires off, hoods up, leaking fluid.... all just sitting.

Seeing this, raised a rousing wonder how long until it hits home repairs? Costs escalating, contractors quoting 3x value and delivering .6x, owners maxed out on payments and no refi relief in sight. While brutal to watch this coming crash is going to make some astute buying, hard working folks very wealthy... keep your powder dry the crash is coming!
 

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Something like the first pic will work ...just get all the slope on it you can and ice n water shield it all....not much else you can do
I've seen those before and found them amusing like pointing my finger and laughing. Never understood them until now. Still pointing my finger and laughing though.
 

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Is always something!
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I would replace the whole cord with a new one... if not then, soon.
Good advice. Was an on the spot fix to hold me over and get her Caddy tires up to snuff. These elderly widows need some looking after. Noticed her tires looked low and they were al just about 22psi.
 

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Man, wish I could just pop on by!
Hard to wrap my head around the 2D pics.
Although, I get a sneaky feeling you'll do fine.
Just remember to think like a raindrop!!
 

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Man, wish I could just pop on by!
Hard to wrap my head around the 2D pics.
Although, I get a sneaky feeling you'll do fine.
Just remember to think like a raindrop!!
I owe much wisdom to you Boss...shoot for an A and settle for a B!
 

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what I don't get is why that whole 2nd roof was there in the first place, other than to increase the overhang length while maintaining height underneath,

seems to me all she needed was one of those roll up canopies, automated like on a RV to accomplish what she wanted without all the drama.
but I don't know the back story to it all.
 

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what I don't get is why that whole 2nd roof was there in the first place, other than to increase the overhang length while maintaining height underneath,

seems to me all she needed was one of those roll up canopies, automated like on a RV to accomplish what she wanted without all the drama.
but I don't know the back story to it all.
You think you have questions! Dear God! I have to cross reference multiple sources, multiple times, using multiple angles & strategies only to then input that with some hindsight and intuition just to get a few reasonable answers.
Lots of, "The Inspector said that its not a 3 tab roof(@ last place)
This place has additions like that yet the WANT A PERMIT TO PAINT!
And meanwhile the upkeep and maintenance on the facilities looks like they haven't been done since the 70s.
Not every bulb is bright in Arkansas. Frugality and ignorance seem to meet opportunity rather often when upkeeping the humble shack.
 

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Hey up... been finishing the basement. Moved on to tile the bathroom.

Got some VersaBond 50 lb. White Fortified Thinset Mortar and mixed it up.
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Got 1/2 of the tub tiled before retiring for the night.

This morning woke up and it seems I have a chemical burn on my fingers from the mortar.

Anyone have a reason? Is there lye in the mortar?
 

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Hey up... been finishing the basement. Moved on to tile the bathroom.

Got some VersaBond 50 lb. White Fortified Thinset Mortar and mixed it up.
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Got 1/2 of the tub tiled before retiring for the night.

This morning woke up and it seems I have a chemical burn on my fingers from the mortar.

Anyone have a reason? Is there lye in the mortar?
Your hands are soft.
 

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any cement containing product can burn you
 

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Health Precautions This product contains Portland cement and free silica. Avoid eye contact or prolonged contact with skin. Wash thoroughly after handling. If eye contact occurs, flush with water for 15 minutes and consult a physician. Do not breathe dust; wear a NIOSH approved respirator Conformance to Building Codes Installation must comply with the requirements of all applicable local, state and federal code jurisdictions.



I guess I'll have to wear nitrile gloves to finish this project!
 

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I used to do flatwork (driveways, sidewalks, basement floors on knee boards) back in the day and I never had a chemical burn from that.

Hands would dry out and crack, but nothing like this. Must be something different in this stuff....?
 

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I used to do flatwork (driveways, sidewalks, basement floors on knee boards) back in the day and I never had a chemical burn from that.

Hands would dry out and crack, but nothing like this. Must be something different in this stuff....?

i would guess this is a form of quick setting cement that has a much higher content of portland ....but i am just guessing.....i know i had issues with portland when i was younger and did this type of work occasionally
 

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Health Precautions This product contains Portland cement and free silica. Avoid eye contact or prolonged contact with skin. Wash thoroughly after handling. If eye contact occurs, flush with water for 15 minutes and consult a physician. Do not breathe dust; wear a NIOSH approved respirator Conformance to Building Codes Installation must comply with the requirements of all applicable local, state and federal code jurisdictions.



I guess I'll have to wear nitrile gloves to finish this project!
Reminds me of a job I worked on.
Our company was tasked with removing a "Sandcastle" display in the local mall.
Well, the sand had Portland cement mixed with it to hold it all together. The display sat in a planter about 10 feet wide by 20 feet long. Our team set about smashing this display down and shoveling the mess into a skid steer and then into a dump truck waiting outside. I don't recall having respirators. Here's the kicker.
In the morning, the neighboring stores had a nice surprise. Dust all over the clothes hanging on the racks , all across the jewelry stores glass cases all within about fifty yards of the planter. The stores only had those metal gates. It was a huge mess, and I have no idea what transpired after.
 

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No doubt this is what happened!

I thought of vinegar last night for some reason and doused my hands 2x with it. It neutralizes the strong base.
I somehow remembered cement having a 'base' component to it.

Tips of my fingers are red and sore. Also swollen a bit.

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No doubt this is what happened!

I thought of vinegar last night for some reason and doused my hands 2x with it. It neutralizes the strong base.
I somehow remembered cement having a 'base' component to it.

Tips of my fingers are red and sore. Also swollen a bit.

Treating and Preventing Cement (Concrete) Chemical Burns​

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Ah yes, vinegar. The acid neutralizer. It's also good for cleaning grout off the face of tile.

Hope your hands heal and you find something that works for ya.