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World War II and the Ingredients of Slaughter

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You know, FM, you’re nuts. ....
Then you are calling the founders of our nation "nuts."

I guess you call the war on drugs a success then? "Protect your own" is not an idea which I invented, and I didn't coin the following...

When you select security at the price of liberty, in the end you get less of both.

It was only a friendly reminder. You can keep the DEA and CIA in charge of your local area's drug problems if you want - I'm ok with that. I'm not ok with you making me pay for it.
 

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Then you are calling the founders of our nation "nuts."

I guess you call the war on drugs a success then? "Protect your own" is not an idea which I invented, and I didn't coin the following...

When you select security at the price of liberty, in the end you get less of both.

It was only a friendly reminder. You can keep the DEA and CIA in charge of your local area's drug problems if you want - I'm ok with that. I'm not ok with you making me pay for it.
Are you claiming to be equal to Washington, Jefferson and Franklin?
And no, I think the war on drugs is a dismal failure and I am not calling for more of it. Actually, I think if mj, cocaine, poppy derivatives, certain mushrooms and other natural substances were not demonized and sellers and users not criminalized, synthetic drugs would not be a problem; at least not as big a problem. See what I mean that you assume too much. The DEA is just another tool of power of the federal government.
I like the ideas of freedom and liberty over security. I would rather face the potential dangers of life and prepare accordingly, than have a nanny government protect me to death.
I don’t charge you for the CIA and DEA. They’re not my babies. Their force is applied equally to me, as well as you. See what I mean when I say you assume too much. Get off your high horse for a bit and loosen up on the moral indignation. Don’t assume you know exactly what I might think, from reading a random statement of opposition to a particular substance. It doesn’t mean I’m ready to jam an alphabet soup of government three letter agencies down your throat and make you pay for it.
 

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You know, FM, you’re nuts. Like I keep telling you, you assume way too much. And you’re in love with the idea of moral superiority. You worship at the altar of righteous indignation. Give it a rest, buddy.
He's the self imposed judge of everyone else. Lol
Imho, he needs to examine his own eyes for logs.. lol


Are you claiming to be equal to Washington, Jefferson and Franklin?
Seems that way to me. Lol

See what I mean when I say you assume too much. Get off your high horse for a bit and loosen up on the moral indignation.
Me thinks you are asking for the impossible. lol
 

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You know, FM, you’re nuts. Like I keep telling you, you assume way too much. And you’re in love with the idea of moral superiority. You worship at the altar of righteous indignation. Give it a rest, buddy.
Classic. Having run out of arguments, bring out the old "you're crazy!"

"Geez FM. Why get so upset about the rise of nationalist socialism? Why pretend you're so morally superior that you won't cheer tyranny? You're crazy! Give it a rest. Move on, nothing to see here."
 

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Classic. Having run out of arguments, bring out the old "you're crazy!"
Every distraction technique is rolled out. The truth is the mortal enemy of the state. The truth must be stopped at all cost and if that means the debates must dissolve into a mud throwing bikini show, then so be it.

We're lucky they didn't post a bunch of slow to load pictures. ...
It's a funny forum, a fight over the mouse clicks and eyeballs of one or two souls who might happen in and discover a narrative not so often seen....
 
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Classic. Having run out of arguments, bring out the old "you're crazy!"
You could have started this thread about WW2 in the Cigar Room, yet you posted it where only one side can be discussed, then suggest respondents are being disingenuous.
 

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You could have started this thread about WW2 in the Cigar Room, yet you posted it where only one side can be discussed, then suggest respondents are being disingenuous.
Why do you think only one side can be discussed here? We've already had opposing opinions voiced in this thread.
 

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Why do you think only one side can be discussed here? We've already had opposing opinions voiced in this thread.
I guess you don't know the forum rules. See my sig line.
 

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No, I edited the part about nationalism out of the quote because it’s true about DJT. There is nothing wrong with nationalism, unless you’re excluding large groups of people from inclusion, or adding socialism, communism, fascism or any other statist tyranny to it. DJT’s brand of nationalism is love for the goodness of the founding principles of this country, as laid out in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights. I agree with that nationalist sentiment, totally and exclude no one from enjoying those principles, unless they are working to destroy them. Then, they are not welcome here, anymore. And since we’re at it, let’s be totally honest here. There is nothing about Trump’s nationalism that even remotely resembles NAZI’ism. Not even close. You’re dishonest for suggesting it.
To me, you nailed it if you leave out DJT,
for me again, I am biased and await my verdict on him,

If we could reflect a bit, bush2 was the instigator of 911 and the police state
the kenyan went full tard on rascism in this country and lit one hell of a fuse, along with driving us toward full on socialism
and people want to get on this current potus for ?
what has he really done that is so indiscriminately bad against the people or the constitution?

Liber and I have always disagreed on the argument of borders. It is just a line in the sand where we both disagree.

but to declare tramp a nazi?
I disagree with that also.
 

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Classic. Having run out of arguments, bring out the old "you're crazy!"

"Geez FM. Why get so upset about the rise of nationalist socialism? Why pretend you're so morally superior that you won't cheer tyranny? You're crazy! Give it a rest. Move on, nothing to see here."
You’re right. The “you’re crazy” statement* was uncalled for. As for the rest of your post, I didn’t say that.

* My apologies to FM for that statement.
 
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You’re right. The “you’re crazy” statement was uncalled for. As for the rest of your post, I didn’t say that.
If that was meant as an apology, I accept it, although one is not required. This forum is filled with members that are passionate about their beliefs and opinions. Discussions become debates and then quickly turn into arguments.

I usually "throw a bolt" when someone treats my words as something personal about me. So an apology on my part is also warranted. Typically the origin of my posts are grounded in someone else's writings from decades or centuries past and are rarely (if ever) unique ideas of mine. So if anything personal or individual appears in the debate, it causes me to ratchet up the tone - so to speak.

This "throw a bolt" style of reply has only become worse as I watch our nation turn to the devil for solutions and as I watch the future of my children disappear and get replaced by sorrow.

A while back, I had a debate with a member here regarding the beliefs held by the founders of our nation and it went on for numerous posts. Toward the end of that debate I asked the member if they'd ever read our BoR (which by the way is an extremely short document) and they had never read it!

At that point I realized I'd wasted over an hour of my time for absolutely nothing because without some basic baseline we were just talking past each other.

For the debate that went over the deep end between us, I think it's the way we look at the litigation and gov't activities related to drugs.

I believe states should be able to decide certain things when it comes to very hard drugs but I don't think the federal gov't should be involved. I also believe that every enforcement and regulation placed on drugs (both hard and soft) has unintended consequences which turn out to be thousands of times worse than the original problem was, even when the original problem can potentially impact children (in that many more children will be negatively impacted by those unintended ramifications when making drugs illegal or heavily regulated.)

But I do understand and respect your points on the matter and immediately "liked" your post (#42) above immediately when you posted it and I read it.
 
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If that was meant as an apology, I accept it, although one is not required. This forum is filled with members that are passionate about their beliefs and opinions. Discussions become debates and then quickly turn into arguments.

I usually "throw a bolt" when someone treats my words as something personal about me. So an apology on my part is also warranted. Typically the origin of my posts are grounded in someone else's writings from decades or centuries past and are rarely (if ever) unique ideas of mine. So if anything personal or individual appears in the debate, it causes me to ratchet up the tone - so to speak.

This "throw a bolt" style of reply has only become worse as I watch our nation turn to the devil for solutions and as I watch the future of my children disappear and get replaced by sorrow.

A while back, I had a debate with a member here regarding the beliefs held by the founders of our nation and it went on for numerous posts. Toward the end of that debate I asked the member if they'd ever read our BoR (which by the way is an extremely short document) and they had never read it!

At that point I realized I'd wasted over an hour of my time for absolutely nothing because without some basic baseline we were just talking past each other.

For the debate that went over the deep end between us, I think it's the way we look at the litigation and gov't activities related to drugs.

I believe states should be able to decide certain things when it comes to very hard drugs but I don't think the federal gov't should be involved. I also believe that every enforcement and regulation placed on drugs (both hard and soft) has unintended consequences which turn out to be thousands of times worse than the original problem was, even when the original problem can potentially impact children (in that many more children will be negatively impacted by those unintended ramifications when making drugs illegal or heavily regulated.)

But I do understand and respect your points on the matter and immediately "liked" your post (#42) above immediately when you posted it and I read it.
Great post! A lot of good points there. I’ll try to be a little more careful about throwing out lightning bolts in the future. They’re never productive.