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WWII Navy ship partially sinks in Buffalo, dewatering efforts continue​

By Alec Gearty
April 15, 2022

Rescue efforts are underway to save a decommissioned World War II-era Naval vessel partially submerged in New York waters.

The historic USS The Sullivans took on water and partially sunk at the Buffalo and Erie County Naval & Military Park, according to the US Coast Guard Buffalo Sector.

Officials said the 78-year-old ship suffered a breach near the middle of the ship as its right side tilted into Lake Erie on Thursday.

The US Coast Guard said more than 3 million gallons of water flooded the historic ship.

“This ship will rise again,” Naval and Military Park President Paul Marzello said, according to the Buffalo News. “Failure is not an option.”

New York Gov. and Buffalo native Kathy Hochul said emergency services are prepared to save the “symbol of perseverance,” which has served as a museum ship since 1977.

“The USS The Sullivans is a tribute to our heroes — to a family that lost all five of its sons in the Pacific, and to the 400,000 Americans who died fighting in World War II,” Hochul said. “Our State agencies are on site and ready to help revive this treasure and symbol of perseverance.”

USS The Sullivans is seen partially submerged in Lake Erie in Buffalo, NY on April 14, 2022. USS The Sullivans is seen partially submerged in the Buffalo River in Buffalo, NY on April 14, 2022.Facebook / United States Coast Guard Buffalo Sector

The US Coast Guard estimates the ship took on roughly 3 millions gallons of water. The US Coast Guard estimates the ship took on roughly 3 million gallons of water.Getty Images

The USS The Sullivans (DD-537) is a Navy vessel named after five brothers and was decommissioned in 1965. The USS The Sullivans (DD-537) is a Navy vessel named after five brothers and was decommissioned in 1965.Getty Images

The Coast Guard claims there’s been positive progress in the dewatering process Thursday night. Rescue crews used pumps capable of removing upwards of 13,000 gallons of water per minute to minimize further sinking.

According to SaveTheSullivans.org, a website dedicated to fundraising efforts to restore the ship, USS The Sullivans suffered in the “harsh” Buffalo weather and faced the risk of sinking.

Last year, Marzello told The Buffalo News the attraction would sink if repairs weren’t made. The Buffalo and Erie County Naval & Military Park raised $1 million to repair the vessel in November.

The USS The Sullivans is classified as a Fletcher-class Destroyer ship named after five brothers — George, Frank, Joe, Matt and Al Sullivan. The quintet was killed in action after a torpedo struck the USS Juneau in 1942.

 

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WWII Navy ship partially sinks in Buffalo, dewatering efforts continue​

By Alec Gearty
April 15, 2022

Rescue efforts are underway to save a decommissioned World War II-era Naval vessel partially submerged in New York waters.

The historic USS The Sullivans took on water and partially sunk at the Buffalo and Erie County Naval & Military Park, according to the US Coast Guard Buffalo Sector.

Officials said the 78-year-old ship suffered a breach near the middle of the ship as its right side tilted into Lake Erie on Thursday.

The US Coast Guard said more than 3 million gallons of water flooded the historic ship.

“This ship will rise again,” Naval and Military Park President Paul Marzello said, according to the Buffalo News. “Failure is not an option.”

New York Gov. and Buffalo native Kathy Hochul said emergency services are prepared to save the “symbol of perseverance,” which has served as a museum ship since 1977.

“The USS The Sullivans is a tribute to our heroes — to a family that lost all five of its sons in the Pacific, and to the 400,000 Americans who died fighting in World War II,” Hochul said. “Our State agencies are on site and ready to help revive this treasure and symbol of perseverance.”

USS The Sullivans is seen partially submerged in Lake Erie in Buffalo, NY on April 14, 2022. USS The Sullivans is seen partially submerged in the Buffalo River in Buffalo, NY on April 14, 2022.Facebook / United States Coast Guard Buffalo Sector

The US Coast Guard estimates the ship took on roughly 3 millions gallons of water. The US Coast Guard estimates the ship took on roughly 3 million gallons of water.Getty Images

The USS The Sullivans (DD-537) is a Navy vessel named after five brothers and was decommissioned in 1965. The USS The Sullivans (DD-537) is a Navy vessel named after five brothers and was decommissioned in 1965.Getty Images

The Coast Guard claims there’s been positive progress in the dewatering process Thursday night. Rescue crews used pumps capable of removing upwards of 13,000 gallons of water per minute to minimize further sinking.

According to SaveTheSullivans.org, a website dedicated to fundraising efforts to restore the ship, USS The Sullivans suffered in the “harsh” Buffalo weather and faced the risk of sinking.

Last year, Marzello told The Buffalo News the attraction would sink if repairs weren’t made. The Buffalo and Erie County Naval & Military Park raised $1 million to repair the vessel in November.

The USS The Sullivans is classified as a Fletcher-class Destroyer ship named after five brothers — George, Frank, Joe, Matt and Al Sullivan. The quintet was killed in action after a torpedo struck the USS Juneau in 1942.

This is a tough one for me. This is right in my back yard in downtown Buffalo, right on the river. I've been on The Sullivans quite a few times (as well as the other ships docked there). It's a neat ship to wander around. Can't get to the lower decks -- engine room, crew quarters, etc. -- without a special tour, but wandering the top decks and up to the bridge is a neat tour.

The "harsh" Buffalo winter isn't about cold and wind (honestly, Buffalo winters are nowhere NEAR as bad as the stereotypes would have you believe), it's about the ice in the river. That part of the river freezes over every year, so freeze-thaw cycles, plus the grinding as the ice slowly moves downstream. Also, being a destroyer, she has a relatively thin hull, about 3/8" (about 9.5 mm for my metric friends) is what I heard this morning.

The water is really shallow there, so at it's worst, the starboard-aft corner was likely on or near the bottom of the river. That actually could be a problem. Over the years the silt has built up under the ships, to the point where the other ship in that picture, the USS Little Rock, is now fully-grounded in the sandy bottom. This means that The Sullivans is effectively penned in, so any re-floating or repair will have to be done in-place.

The Coast Guard estimates she's taken on about 8 million gallons of water. They've got enough pumps now that they're moving as much water off the ship as is coming in: about 13,000 gallons per minute. Divers went down to the flooded decks today to start to asses what failed and what can be done. We also have an Army Corps of Engineers station here, so I'm sure they'll be involved at some level.



The Little Rock is also a neat ship. Again, can't get down to the lower decks without a special tour, but roaming around the upper deck is pretty cool. Also, Little Rock was refit as a flag ship, so there's also a separate Admiral's bridge in addition to the ship's main bridge .

The boat at the museum is the USS Croaker, a WWII-era submarine. Amazing how cramped it is when you actually go inside!! Hard to believe people could even get to their duty stations.




 
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Divers went down to the flooded decks today to start to asses what failed and what can be done.
Holes in the hull was my guess as well. Sitting in the water like that for that many years can't be good for 3/8" steel.
 

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Holes in the hull was my guess as well. Sitting in the water like that for that many years can't be good for 3/8" steel.

She had some large sections of hull patched recently, a year or two ago if I recall. One of the possibilities is that those patches were improperly applied and that's what failed, causing more damage in the process.

But it's still wait and see right now. Haven't seen anything on local news yet about what, if anything, the divers saw today.
 

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Ww2 is technically still going on for some countries. We might need those ships.
 

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This is a tough one for me. This is right in my back yard in downtown Buffalo, right on the river. I've been on The Sullivans quite a few times (as well as the other ships docked there). It's a neat ship to wander around. Can't get to the lower decks -- engine room, crew quarters, etc. -- without a special tour, but wandering the top decks and up to the bridge is a neat tour.

The "harsh" Buffalo winter isn't about cold and wind (honestly, Buffalo winters are nowhere NEAR as bad as the stereotypes would have you believe), it's about the ice in the river. That part of the river freezes over every year, so freeze-thaw cycles, plus the grinding as the ice slowly moves downstream. Also, being a destroyer, she has a relatively thin hull, about 3/8" (about 9.5 mm for my metric friends) is what I heard this morning.

The water is really shallow there, so at it's worst, the starboard-aft corner was likely on or near the bottom of the river. That actually could be a problem. Over the years the silt has built up under the ships, to the point where the other ship in that picture, the USS Little Rock, is now fully-grounded in the sandy bottom. This means that The Sullivans is effectively penned in, so any re-floating or repair will have to be done in-place.

The Coast Guard estimates she's taken on about 8 million gallons of water. They've got enough pumps now that they're moving as much water off the ship as is coming in: about 13,000 gallons per minute. Divers went down to the flooded decks today to start to asses what failed and what can be done. We also have an Army Corps of Engineers station here, so I'm sure they'll be involved at some level.



The Little Rock is also a neat ship. Again, can't get down to the lower decks without a special tour, but roaming around the upper deck is pretty cool. Also, Little Rock was refit as a flag ship, so there's also a separate Admiral's bridge in addition to the ship's main bridge .

The boat at the museum is the USS Croaker, a WWII-era submarine. Amazing how cramped it is when you actually go inside!! Hard to believe people could even get to their duty stations.




I wonder how they got a fargin Fletcher class destroyer into fargin Buffalo???
 

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Seems somewhat symbolic seeing as how the US is sinking fast in the eyes of the rest of the world
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I wonder how they got a fargin Fletcher class destroyer into fargin Buffalo???
St. Lawrence River, across Lake Ontario, and up the Welland Canal into Lake Erie.

The Freedom class littoral combat ships built in Wisconsin take the same route out to the Atlantic.

Fun fact: the new USS Little Rock was commissioned in Buffalo on her way out to the ocean, becoming the first Navy ship to be commissioned next to her namesake.
 

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I can't help but think of the Marine Star, aka Aquarama, tied up for over a decade at the abandoned Cargill grain elevator in the harbor. Sitting there...rusting...until with no announcement, the former Liberty ship was towed away, to points not announced.

Next anyone saw it, after it cleared the St. Lawrence River under tow...was in Aliagia, Turkey, in the breakers' beach...in pieces.

That's what happens in Buffalo. For 40 years, it's where dreams go...to die.
 

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WWII Navy ship partially sinks in Buffalo, dewatering efforts continue​

By Alec Gearty
April 15, 2022

Rescue efforts are underway to save a decommissioned World War II-era Naval vessel partially submerged in New York waters.

The historic USS The Sullivans took on water and partially sunk at the Buffalo and Erie County Naval & Military Park, according to the US Coast Guard Buffalo Sector.

Officials said the 78-year-old ship suffered a breach near the middle of the ship as its right side tilted into Lake Erie on Thursday.

The US Coast Guard said more than 3 million gallons of water flooded the historic ship.

“This ship will rise again,” Naval and Military Park President Paul Marzello said, according to the Buffalo News. “Failure is not an option.”

New York Gov. and Buffalo native Kathy Hochul said emergency services are prepared to save the “symbol of perseverance,” which has served as a museum ship since 1977.

“The USS The Sullivans is a tribute to our heroes — to a family that lost all five of its sons in the Pacific, and to the 400,000 Americans who died fighting in World War II,” Hochul said. “Our State agencies are on site and ready to help revive this treasure and symbol of perseverance.”

USS The Sullivans is seen partially submerged in Lake Erie in Buffalo, NY on April 14, 2022. USS The Sullivans is seen partially submerged in the Buffalo River in Buffalo, NY on April 14, 2022.Facebook / United States Coast Guard Buffalo Sector

The US Coast Guard estimates the ship took on roughly 3 millions gallons of water. The US Coast Guard estimates the ship took on roughly 3 million gallons of water.Getty Images

The USS The Sullivans (DD-537) is a Navy vessel named after five brothers and was decommissioned in 1965. The USS The Sullivans (DD-537) is a Navy vessel named after five brothers and was decommissioned in 1965.Getty Images

The Coast Guard claims there’s been positive progress in the dewatering process Thursday night. Rescue crews used pumps capable of removing upwards of 13,000 gallons of water per minute to minimize further sinking.

According to SaveTheSullivans.org, a website dedicated to fundraising efforts to restore the ship, USS The Sullivans suffered in the “harsh” Buffalo weather and faced the risk of sinking.

Last year, Marzello told The Buffalo News the attraction would sink if repairs weren’t made. The Buffalo and Erie County Naval & Military Park raised $1 million to repair the vessel in November.

The USS The Sullivans is classified as a Fletcher-class Destroyer ship named after five brothers — George, Frank, Joe, Matt and Al Sullivan. The quintet was killed in action after a torpedo struck the USS Juneau in 1942.

"RUSSIA,RUSSIA,RUSSIA"
 

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Huh? It's my local paper and I've never given them a dime. I check it every morning...weird...

In 2018, Buffalo Naval Park officials and marine engineers considered a plan to tow the USS The Sullivans, the decommissioned destroyer now in crisis in Buffalo's Inner Harbor, across Lake Erie to Erie, Pa., to be docked on land so lasting repairs to the ship's hull could be completed.

Estimates pinned the project, which would require moving the other two ships in the Naval Park to allow The Sullivans room to exit, at between $5 million and $7 million. Ultimately, Naval Park administration chose to keep The Sullivans in Buffalo and, with BIDCO Marine Group hired for the repair, use two-part epoxy to patch the holes in the World War II-era vessel.

The $1 million cost for the epoxy project was preferred to the dry-docking alternative, recalled Paul J. Marzello Sr., now president and CEO of the Buffalo and Erie County Naval & Military Park, but then the director of development and special projects.
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"It was our opinion that (dry-docking) wasn't a good use of our money at the time with the risks involved," Marzello said last week. "We didn't think she would make it" to Erie, Pa. "And we certainly didn't want to have the USS The Sullivans sitting at the bottom of Lake Erie."
The Sullivans Diving (copy)

A long-term approach such as drydocking or building a cofferdam would be expensive to preserve The Sullivans, but it would likely prove a more efficient repair than the current diving, identifying and patching of holes strategy.
Mark Mulville/Buffalo News

U.S. Coast Guard Capt. Lexia Littlejohn, speaking on Mayor Byron W. Brown's WUFO radio show on Sunday, said the patches are working and the ship is listing less than it had been.

But in light of the present crisis unfolding on The Sullivans – and the fact that epoxy is a temporary fix – a larger plan to protect the future of the ship has risen in importance. Marzello said last week he's willing to revisit the more creative solutions rejected in 2018.

"Things have changed over the course of time. We're going to certainly take a look at all those options again," he said. "We have more support than we've ever had, we've created more awareness than we've ever had, and with those two things, those options could be very doable."

Extending the lifespan of 80-year-old decommissioned ships built to last 25 years is no easy feat, but it's important for Buffalo tourism, veterans, civic pride and history.

"We need a very aggressive plan going forward," Marzello said.
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The tight confines of the Buffalo & Erie County Naval & Military Park at Buffalo's Inner Harbor. The USS The Sullivans is seen listing to its starboard side on April 20, 2022.
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What is a dry dock? And a cofferdam?

Brian R. Wroblewski, a Buffalo transportation historian, photographer, shipping enthusiast and founder of an engaging 5,800-member Buffalo transportation Facebook group, explained why a more advanced repair strategy like dry-docking or building a cofferdam could preserve The Sullivans.

If the current two-part epoxy patching buys The Sullivans time and the bottom of the hull is the greatest long-term concern, Wroblewski said, the Fletcher-class destroyer could be towed to Donjon Shipbuilding and Repair, a dry-dock site in Erie.

The vessel would dock in an enclosable area, surrounded by land on three sides and initially filled with lake water. Once the ship has entered the dock zone, the area is sealed with a wall and then dewatered using pumps, allowing The Sullivans to rest elevated on blocks for access to its entire hull.
Presque Isle ship dry docked

This is the Presque Isle ship that's been dry-docked in Port Weller Dry Dock.
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Should The Sullivans' long-term concern not be on the bottom of the ship but the part of the hull closer to the water line – where wind, waves and Buffalo's winter can do damage – then a cofferdam could be a solution. This approach would not require towing across Lake Erie, yet its function is similar to a dry dock in that a cofferdam creates an isolated, dry construction site to address an area of concern.

A cofferdam, in the case of repairing a ship, is essentially an adjustable, watertight wall constructed either alongside or entirely around a ship. Like the dry dock, the enclosed area inside the cofferdam wall is dewatered. The bottom of a ship's hull is not accessible in the cofferdam approach, Wroblewski said.
16 feet of worry: Divers brave danger in trying to save USS The Sullivans
16 feet of worry: Divers brave danger in trying to save USS The Sullivans

In the eight days since the USS The Sullivans began leaning and taking on water, both organizations overseeing the dive and the divers have faced many obstacles: battering winds, the precarious position of the ship and murky water that limits visibility.

Regardless of strategy, the out-of-water repair process typically involves welding new steel plates to the old ship, often doubling up to prevent future leaks, Wroblewski said.

Neither approach requires divers, who face underwater limitations that affect sight, movement, efficiency and safety; all work is done out of the water, which allows for more flexible timelines.

The Sullivans' survival is dear to Wroblewski, who was 4 years old when the ships arrived at the Naval Park. He'd visit with his father, an ex-Marine, regularly. "To me, this is real heart-and-soul type stuff," Wroblewski said. "It's always been a part of my life."
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Has a cofferdam worked?

A successful recovery by a leaking World War II-era ship isn't unprecedented. The Battleship North Carolina, which began fundraising for its $17 million rescue project in 2015, was repaired enough to float on its own in August.

Because it wasn't feasible to move the 36,600-ton battleship, a cofferdam, reportedly costing $8 million, was constructed around the entire ship to accommodate more advanced repairs, not simple hole-plugging.

"She never moved from her slip," said Wroblewski, who said cofferdams are a fairly new approach to repairing old ships. "She sat there the whole time in the mud."

The North Carolina's website detailed the structure of the cofferdam, which is 50 feet tall, nearly 2,000 feet in perimeter and required 4.6 million pounds of steel. Four slide gate weirs – or dams – were used to control the flow of water into the cofferdam.

But the North Carolina isn't an apples-to-apples comparison to The Sullivans, which weighs about 2,000 tons. Battleships, Wroblewski said, boast much thicker hulls than the razor-thin steel plates that kept destroyers like The Sullivans lightweight in battle and earned them the "tin can" nickname.

The level of The Sullivans' hull corrosion is likely far worse and more spread out simply due to its thinness and Buffalo's more extreme seasons, the local historian said.

Potential snags
How a community – and world – came together to save the USS The Sullivans
How a community – and world – came together to save the USS The Sullivans

Amid one of the most difficult years in modern history, those who learned of Buffalo's old and leaking warship managed to raise more than $1 million in eight months.

The cost of dry-docking The Sullivans, or even creating a permanent or temporary cofferdam, remains prohibitive and the biggest hurdle, said Marzello, who stressed the Naval Park's designation as a nonprofit.

Though encouraged by the $1 million raised in 10 months to pay for BIDCO's epoxy repair, Marzello still questioned the public response to a significantly higher ask.

"Is it something the community is going to feel just as compelled if it's $20 million as they are to raise five (million), as they are to raise one (million)?" he asked. "Obviously the community felt it was more than a bargain to spend a million dollars to fix this ship."

The dry-docking estimate of $5 million to $7 million from 2018 is likely outdated today. "I have to believe it's considerably more," Marzello said.
Schumer pledges federal intervention to save USS The Sullivans
Schumer pledges federal intervention to save USS The Sullivans

“Today I am putting out an SOS across the federal government: Save Our Sullivans,” Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer said.

The Buffalo Naval Park has closed for safety reasons during the emergency situation, and if the closure extends deep into the summer, the park may miss out on most of its gate revenue. The tourist attraction has traditionally closed for December through March, but normally would be open by now. The short season will make the nonprofit even more reliant on outside funding, which Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer appealed for last week, or large donations like those from West Herr Automotive and developer Douglas Jemal in the last fundraising campaign.

Should the Naval Park propose a cofferdam project like the Battleship North Carolina, the expense could be less than the $17 million spent there. The battleship is significantly bigger than The Sullivans, and a partial cofferdam could further reduce the cost. A mitigating factor, however, is that the USS Little Rock and USS Croaker submarine may need to be moved to create room for the cofferdam, as the park's confines are tight.

Big decisions ahead

T&T Salvage, the U.S. Coast Guard, BIDCO Marine Group, the state DEC and the Naval Park are all focused on refloating the USS The Sullivans, the immediate priority after 12 days of listing. Clinton Williams, general manager of T&T, said his team has been tasked with immediate recovery tasks like executing a plan to enter the ship.

"We'll get it refloated, we'll make the patches, but the long-term is above our decisions," Williams said.

That leaves Marzello and the Naval Park's board of directors to help manage the present crisis of the Sullivans and lay out a vision – including the future of the entire park.

"We have a number of options on the table in terms of how are we going to expand this space, stay here, take on another location – a lot of things are on the table, but the priority right now is to right the ship," Marzello said.

Epoxy should be effective for 20-25 years, Marzello said, but he wants the park – and its prized ships – to be around much longer.

"We want to save this ship for many generations to come, not just for our kids, but for our grandkids."
 
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Huh? It's my local paper and I've never given them a dime. I check it every morning...weird...
Could be a regional block.

It happens, these days. There are Canadian sites I cannot access, either.
 

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What I got, was the content for a moment - maybe 20 seconds - and then, a white screen with a center box.

WANNA KEEP READING?

Subscribe to THE BUFFALO NEWS for $XX.xxx a month.

Sometimes you can bypass those blocks with the "Reader" feature, but not on this site.

Reloading doesn't work.

I have AdBlock Plus.
 

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I have AdBlock Plus.

Yeah, I run AdBlock Plus and uBlock Origin. But then again, I'm also local, so that might matter, too? :don't know:
Either way, I'll be sure to cut-and-paste text on future articles. :beer:


P.S. the reason I've never paid for the paper is that outside of the boring nuts-and-bolts local stuff -- fire overnight here, major construction next week there, mayor said something, etc. -- they're basically a liberal rag. Seriously, their editorials and staff cartoonist are just complete cringe.
 

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In the more than two weeks since the USS The Sullivans began to list to its starboard side, stern expressions were common when officials discussed the state of the sinking naval ship.

The news improved significantly Friday, however, as the U.S. Coast Guard and Buffalo Naval Park revealed that more than 33 holes have been plugged and the ship is not listing as much. The holes ranged in size from the diameter of a dime to two and half inches.

"It's the first time in 16 days we've seen a lot of smiles being cracked around this whole situation," said Paul J. Marzello Sr., president and CEO of the Buffalo Naval Park.

Among the positive developments was that the ship's list, once measured at 20 degrees, had dropped to 4 degrees by Friday's measurement, according to Capt. Lexia Littlejohn, commander of the Buffalo sector of the U.S. Coast Guard.

Because oily waste and water have been pumped from the ship and no further large breaches have occurred, the Sullivans' stern – previously resting on the silt on the bottom of the basin – has begun to float again. As the stern was raised Friday, a diver discovered a hole that was previously blocked from sight. The hole was being evaluated before its repair. The ship's bow still touched the bottom of the Buffalo River.

In the eight days since the USS The Sullivans began leaning and taking on water, both organizations overseeing the dive and the divers have faced many obstacles: battering winds, the precarious position of the ship and murky water that limits visibility.


T&T Salvage, an international recovery organization hired to help guide the Sullivans' rescue, had its plan to refloat the decommissioned U.S. Navy destroyer approved by a U.S. Coast Guard team, Littlejohn said. Twenty-two water pumps were on board on Friday, but not all the pumps would be used at once, Littlejohn said.

Officials noted that the Sullivans' path to recovery could reach a new phase early next week. The emergency operation, which required help from T&T and the U.S. Coast Guard, would conclude and the previously planned repair phase – conducted by the Naval Park and BIDCO Marine Group – would begin. The repair phase, which was planned in 2018, long before the breach 16 days ago, will use two-part epoxy to patch or plug holes in the Sullivans' hull and is expected to take roughly three months.


"Things have changed over the course of time. We're going to certainly take a look at all those options again," said Paul J. Marzello Sr., president and CEO of the Buffalo and Erie County Naval & Military Park.

"Once we get the vessel up to an even keel, right up to the point it's stable, we'll conduct another assessment," Littlejohn said. "We'll send divers around the entire vessel and make sure it's stable in a sense to where we can depart the scene and turn it over. "

For Marzello, the head of the Naval Park, Friday's improvement prompted an emotional response.

"The joy of seeing this historic landmark rise out of the water was a very meaningful and poignant time for all of us," he said. "Although we're certainly not going to take a victory lap right now, because there's plenty of work still yet to do, we're very pleased and very excited to be at this particular point in time."
 

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Probably it's time to put that ship on shore display.

It sounds just too far gone to reasonably patch up.
 

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Probably it's time to put that ship on shore display.

It sounds just too far gone to reasonably patch up.
There is talk of moving her to a dry dock, plenty of room down near the abandoned steel mills to the south. Trouble is you'd also have to move the Little Rock out of the way, and her keel is grounded in the silt. Last estimate I saw was about $7 million for the operation.
 

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There is talk of moving her to a dry dock, plenty of room down near the abandoned steel mills to the south. Trouble is you'd also have to move the Little Rock out of the way, and her keel is grounded in the silt. Last estimate I saw was about $7 million for the operation.
I'd say f that and leave it as a park.
 

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Lexington, Ky has a Tank in a park.
New Milford CT too. Not to mention the sunken craft in Pearl Harbor ( which is what prompted my thought)
 

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We can be a weirdly sentimental bunch around here. I doubt we'd let her go out like that.
Welp, guess it's time for a big 'ol bake sale then!
 

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Chicken wing competition. Guaranteed money! :2 thumbs up:
Brilliant. & Maybe a hidden ghost pepper bonus challenge thrown in for good measure.
 

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Brilliant. & Maybe a hidden ghost pepper bonus challenge thrown in for good measure.
Oh, dude...if you're in the neighborhood in mid-July, there's the Taste of Buffalo festival downtown, right by City Hall. You will find wings that are both delicious, and will make your scalp sweat. Lots of other great food, too. We have a huge established Polish and Italian community, and a growing Thai & Vietnamese group as well.

And as someone who grows super-hot peppers as a hobby: ghost peppers are a gateway pepper! :dancing guy
 
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Brilliant. & Maybe a hidden ghost pepper bonus challenge thrown in for good measure.
:sick Ya had me until Ghost Peppers. "Naw Bradda Naw".
 

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Could always sell it for scrap and make beer cans out of it... if they weren't made out of aluminum...
 

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Sometimes you can bypass those blocks with the "Reader" feature, but not on this
Sometimes refreshing the page and then quickly hitting stop will work too.

It can take a few tries and doesn't always work, but oftentimes it works for me.
 

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The USS The Sullivans, which had been taking on water and sinking, has been substantially righted, and operators of the Buffalo and Erie County Military & Naval Park are floating the idea of reopening the ship to the public by Memorial Day weekend.

The news comes about three weeks after the hull of the World War II-era destroyer was breached, causing it to list in the shallow waters of the Buffalo Inner Harbor.

"We are very happy to report today that the effort to save The Sullivans is on course, and the ship is righted and floating," Buffalo Mayor Byron W. Brown announced Thursday during a news conference at the naval park.

Crews are now focused on containing oil spills in the Inner Harbor from the vessel.

"The emergency response phase is complete and we have started the maintenance and decontamination phase," Brown added.
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The mayor was joined by Capt. Lexia M. Littlejohn, commander of the Buffalo sector of the U.S. Coast Guard, naval park President and CEO Paul Marzello and others.

Littlejohn said the current list of the ship varies between .1 and 3 degrees, which is a significant difference from three weeks ago when it was about 20 degrees.

At that time, the ship had taken on hundreds of thousands of gallons of water.

"Dewatering is about 95% complete. We've removed over 585,000 gallons of water from the vessel in total," Littlejohn said.

About 2,000 gallons of an additional oily water mix was removed from the ship, along with 9 cubic yards of oil soaked solids. Over 50 holes and gashes were plugged in the hull of the ship, patched with wood and a marine grade epoxy, she added.

"There are continuing assessments inside the vessel and outside the vessel to make sure that all of those temporary repairs that were put into place are holding, and those appear to be holding at this point," Littlejohn said.

She said the Coast Guard will continue to work with the naval park, the City of Buffalo and the state Department of Environmental Conservation to ensure that the contamination threat is mitigated.

She said officials are potentially looking at the permanent repair phase to begin, too.

Meanwhile, Marzello said naval park officials are working very hard to put together a reopening plan for the USS The Sullivans.

"Tentatively speaking, we're focused on Memorial Day weekend. That would normally be a very popular weekend for us," Marzello said.

He said the naval park is preparing to take down emergency fencing from areas where it is no longer needed.
Progress reported at the USS The Sullivans; its stern has begun to float again
Progress reported at the USS The Sullivans; its stern has begun to float again

The U.S. Coast Guard and Buffalo Naval Park revealed that more than 33 holes have been plugged in the USS The Sullivans and the ship is not listing as much. The list, once measured at 20 degrees, had dropped to 4 degrees by Friday's measurement,

Marzello and the mayor described the ship as a critical piece of U.S. naval and military history that the community is fortunate to have in its midst.

The ship is a floating tribute to a working class family in which five brothers were killed aboard the USS Juneau during World War II, when it was struck by a Japanese torpedo in the Pacific Ocean, resulting in the deaths of 687 men.

Brown said it will cost millions of dollars to permanently repair the 80-year-old vessel. He speculated that funds would be sought from state and federal sources for the repairs.

Last year, a private fundraiser was spearheaded by developer Douglas Jemal that brought in more than $1 million to repair the ship's breached hull.

Marzello said it was too early to tell what the full extent of the damage has been to the ship.
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WWII Navy ship partially sinks in Buffalo, dewatering efforts continue.​


Hey @nickndfl , I think I found the source of your dehydrated water.
 

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Despite 'considerable' damage in USS The Sullivans, Buffalo Naval Park hopes to preserve artifacts

The treasures of the USS The Sullivans' Memorial Room were saved as the World War II-era destroyer was listing in the Buffalo River in mid-April.

Emergency responders carried away the intricate 3-D model of the destroyer, letters to the namesake Sullivan brothers and two original flags – including a tattered American flag attached to the mast of The Sullivans during fighting near the Japanese cities of Iwo Jima and Okinawa.

But worries remain about the rooms that took the brunt of the damage: the engineering room and ship office, which were an estimated 70% submerged, as well as berthing (sleeping) areas and the mess deck (or community space), which were about 50% submerged, according to Shane Stephenson, the Buffalo and Erie County Naval & Military Park's director of museum collections.

And it wasn't just water putting artifacts in danger. Oily waste and debris had filled many compartments of The Sullivans, and Stephenson said humidity and fumes were other potential troublemakers.
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An encased 3-D model of the USS The Sullivans, displayed in the Memorial Room, was one of the first items pulled off the ship during the emergency phase of the rescue.
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The first nonemergency responder to enter The Sullivans, Stephenson was uncertain about the status of original documents in the ship office, too. Encouraged that 5,000 folders of ship blueprints had survived untouched in the Memorial Room, many documents stored in the office were submerged and all but ruined. Stephenson intended to freeze many of the papers in an attempt to preserve them.

The curator assuaged concerns that many inherent artifacts – those that had endured from the ship's time in service – would not be removed from their original positions.

"We're not stripping the ship," said Stephenson, who said he's following National Historic Landmark guidelines for historic vessel preservation projects. "Nothing will come off."

In his first assessment below deck, Stephenson called the damage to the ship's interior "considerable," but he remained optimistic that restoring the museum ship, a star of the naval park's tours, would be key to its "living history."

"Our role will be to preserve artifacts on board to tell the story of the ship," Stephenson said, "and retell the story of the ship in new ways after she reopens again to visitors."

While the naval park is tentatively expected to reopen Memorial Day weekend, The Sullivans will likely be closed to the public for much longer as a new chapter unfolds in the ship's 80-year history.

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At its worst, the USS The Sullivans listed 30 degrees to starboard – aft (rear) of midship – meaning the middle-right of the vessel was underwater.

Stephenson's restoration work matters, and there will be a close eye on his efforts. The extent of the damage remains a pressing question from veterans who served on the ship, the Tin Can Sailors who helped with upkeep and fans of naval history – the intangible memories attached to the artifacts on board, as well as the ship itself, are priceless.
 

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Despite 'considerable' damage in USS The Sullivans, Buffalo Naval Park hopes to preserve artifacts
We might need the Sullivan to protect us from Canada trying to reclaim territory they lost in the WAR of 1812 Truce Agreement.
Then there is Mexico ( but they can have California AFAIC).
The North American version of Ukraine.